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Like I said in the Greenlit thread, I, for one, enjoy the breath of honesty of this movie, and the reaction to it. I mean, this movie is what a lot of the US feels/thinks, isn't it? So, it's good to see it out there in the open. Like a horrible id or Birth of a Nation (nb., made 100 years ago. What is it about the US and the '15s?). I mean, nobody saw it fit to shoot, let's say, the story of Austin Gates Benson.
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Lonos Oboe posted:As for all the Punisher imagery. I imagine that is to do with real life Chris probably loving the character. Which is ironic for a few reasons. He was reading Punisher: Max. Which is the ultra gritty, slightly deconstructionist view of the special forces soldier. [...] What is the female equivalent of these? Romantic comedies? Ironic romantic comedies? Are there ironic romantic comedies?
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Thus the popularity of American Sniper and the hateful ignorance it celebrates strongly suggest American foreign policy is going to continue to set itself up to fail with the keen support of the populace. OK, another question for the cognoscenti. How many movies are there that show psychos like Kyle as psychos, without a trace of irony or winking or presenting them as victims? Someone like Billy Bob Thornton in Fargo the series, maybe? I mean something like Nightcrawler if Lou Bloom looked like a wholesome American heartland boy, Drive if it didn't have that undertone of, after all, sanctioning the violence, The Guest if it were, in the end, completely serious? Just... a movie exactly so plain, in-your-face, straightforward and in many ways as uninteresting as this one, but for, let's say, the ideologically other side of the audience? (That's not to say that PTSD doesn't exist, and so on.)
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Jan 24, 2015 14:09
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mugrim posted:Then you suck at google: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado I wouldn't sperg on this, but that's also how propaganda and marketing works.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:10
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At this point, I think it's accurate to summarise that the scandal of this movie is civics/political, not artistic - i.e. the broad acceptance of the movie's message, not the message itself. The jingoist reception really shows what a continuing danger to future global stability America is (nb. not that I don't think other countries wouldn't be, in the same position).
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Jan 25, 2015 14:38
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Crain posted:It's interesting that he's taking the stance that snipers and drone operators share a similar perspective in the war zone. It makes sense since they are, at least traditionally, separated from the people they kill. Although Drone operators to a much greater degree. An idea comes to mind though: What if the choice of Chris Kyle as the "face" of the Iraq War is a deliberate choice (propaganda wise) to keep the war itself at arms length when examining it in the context of what's happening on the ground? And I think it all boils down to individual disposition, anyway. Sure, distance is dehumanising. But if you are a psychopath, you can get equally hot and bothered by the idea of looking that guy in the face as he dies as by the idea of he won't even know what got him. Equally, you can excuse collateral damage or be bothered by it precisely because it's so... collateral. I already mentioned AG Benson. Here's a version of the story: quote:Austin Gates Benson, Fred’s son, at the age of 19, enlisted in the United States Air Force, because one of his goals in life was to help bring Osama bin Laden to justice for orchestrating the murder of thousands of Americans. Benson’s brilliance in computer engineering and programming ensured that he would not contribute to the cause of the U.S. military in a combat role, but rather as a computer specialist in Afghanistan. Always a precocious boy, at the age of 18 he was reading and writing at the high collegiate level, and at the age of 7, he was an extra in the Julia Roberts movie “Stepmom.” The (boring, stale, Oscar-baity) script practically writes itself, don't you think? 
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Jan 28, 2015 12:35
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mugrim posted:I would argue that it is the propaganda of comfort. We need a just world where America acts rightly, where the real horror of war is not hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed people but rather that our strong white American hero has kind of a rough time connecting with his family while enjoying the spoils of the first world. I'd say that there are two offences at work here: the first one is that a lot of American vets do suffer from - "moral injury", I think the term now is. And a sociopath who clearly did not was elected to represent them. There are tons of other, people and stories, who would be more truthful on this account. People who suicided because they could not bear the pain, for example. The other one, naturally, is the one where no one talks about the Iraqi suffering from PTSD. The people currently subject to drone invasions, too. Children growing up in these conditions. It's hard not to imagine that the penetrance of complex PTSD / developmental trauma disorder in Yemeni children must approach 100%. But "complex PTSD" are not words I personally see used routinely in the media in the context of drone strikes, and they really should be. Only that, well, you know. American exceptionalism. To suggest that the people living in those places are getting hosed up in the mind in the exact same way as the good American boys and girls - to equate those two... That would, unfortunately, take guts.
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Feb 24, 2015 08:53
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socketwrencher posted:This seems to be verging on the suppression of opinions that dissent from your own. There's a word for that. socketwrencher posted:On a side note, I'd favor the reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine. It wouldn't fix everything, but it might help.
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:Seriously, what movie made in the last 10 years is more anti war than this? Although why limit yourself to movies? Give them Spec Ops: The Line and This War of Mine to play. Specially This War of Mine.
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