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Panzeh posted:No, I flustered MIGF when I took a directly realist position. He actually takes a very distinct position that is far from realism when you pick at him on certain issues. His repugnance is his bankrupt logic, because an America that Plays to Win the Game would probably not pay Israel a dime, for example, and would instead be extracting tribute, but that is a policy he would find repugnant. America plays to win American politics, which is why Boehner invited Bibi to speak before Congress. Defeating islamist insurgencies is a winning position in American politics, with the gamut of acceptable policy positions towards this end ranging eliminate islam to eliminate insurgents.
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My Imaginary GF posted:America plays to win American politics, which is why Boehner invited Bibi to speak before Congress. Defeating islamist insurgencies is a winning position in American politics, with the gamut of acceptable policy positions towards this end ranging eliminate islam to eliminate insurgents. Actually an annihilation of the current corrupt Congress would be playing to win American politics. In that way, no one would have to consider Bibi or Boehner's opinions on policies because they are sub-optimal for increasing US power. If you annihilate non-executive power, you play to win for keeps. At that point one could simply have Bibi shot and then send a message in no uncertain terms that intransigence will not be tolerated. The current system, in terms of increasing US geopolitical power, is fundamentally broken. Foreign countries are allowed to have lobbyists advocating for policies that run counter to US interests. It is time to end seditious activity. It is time to enable the government to do what's needed. You don't see generals being elected officials, do you? If Obama were not a spineless coward he would have Boehner, Bibi, and all their treasonous co-conspirators executed. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So how many unarmed human beings would it take to kill a grizzly bear? If the Bible is to be believed, twenty youths per bear is not sufficient. I'm afraid we simply don't have enough data to decide.
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paragon1 posted:If the Bible is to be believed, twenty youths per bear is not sufficient. I'm afraid we simply don't have enough data to decide. This is information that died with the Roman Empire, like so much other stuff.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So how many unarmed human beings would it take to kill a grizzly bear? One.
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My Imaginary GF posted:America plays to win American politics, which is why Boehner invited Bibi to speak before Congress. Defeating islamist insurgencies is a winning position in American politics, with the gamut of acceptable policy positions towards this end ranging eliminate islam to eliminate insurgents. Let's debate about this. You vs any of the half-dozen posters in this thread willing to debase themselves talking to an ignorant malcontent such as yourself.
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My Imaginary GF posted:America plays to win American politics, which is why Boehner invited Bibi to speak before Congress. Defeating islamist insurgencies is a winning position in American politics, with the gamut of acceptable policy positions towards this end ranging eliminate islam to eliminate insurgents. Yes and the Aztec priesthood played to win Aztec priesthood politics, what a worthwhile observation. It's falling apart MIGF. You've had a good run.
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Caros posted:The OP Welp.
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I wish this could be a real thing  The horrible dogpiles and the shitposting it creates have ruined my patience for effort posting. At the same time, I don't have the patience for a "serious" forum either. I guess I am just 100% awful.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So how many unarmed human beings would it take to kill a grizzly bear? do traps count as being armed?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So how many unarmed human beings would it take to kill a grizzly bear? a grizzly bear is just 2 guys in a costume, so 2-3.
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archangelwar posted:I wish this could be a real thing Ideally, for actual debate you'd have an sub forum for this one but with much stricter posting rules (like The Film Dump to Cinema Discusso) and do a bunch of debate threads, heavily moderated, with a limited number of posters allowed to debate in the thread of their choice. Random people off the street don't walk into debate clubs currently in session, which is kind of the environment of D&D by the way of SomethingAwful. Discuss my discussion on debating in the debating and discussing forum.
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Armani posted:Ideally, for actual debate you'd have an sub forum for this one but with much stricter posting rules (like The Film Dump to Cinema Discusso) and do a bunch of debate threads, heavily moderated, with a limited number of posters allowed to debate in the thread of their choice. Yeah, I think it's mostly a moderation problem. To have real debates on boards you need to cut down dogpiling and shitposting. A/T has way more effective debates than DnD in threads like Greece/Rome and Milhist, perhaps just because it has less traffic.
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Disinterested posted:Yeah, I think it's mostly a moderation problem. To have real debates on boards you need to cut down dogpiling and shitposting. A/T has way more effective debates than DnD in threads like Greece/Rome and Milhist, perhaps just because it has less traffic. A D&D where you had to realpost would be a much less entertaining forum, though.
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Panzeh posted:A D&D where you had to realpost would be a much less entertaining forum, though. So what? We rename DnD to LF and make a new DnD where people actually realpost?
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Disinterested posted:So what? We rename DnD to LF and make a new DnD where people actually realpost? It's the nature of the internet for people of like mind to cluster together. If you're expecting to get a place where people can debate in a lively way, you're probably way off. Even now most of the arguments end up involving GiP poo poo and run posts and MIGF, neither of which would probably be considered realposting. I have no doubt that there are plenty of posters on SA who are run off of d&d by the political leaning but I don't think there's a good solution to it. This isn't a forum where you'll find experts on much, so I don't see why it should even purport to be intellectual. Just focus on entertainment value, really.
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Helsing posted:There are numerous reasons that the Geostrategic calculations that drove the foreign policies of the ancient Assyrians or Romans would not be viable today but "force" or "power" being on the "wrong side of history" are not among them. Thing is, the current strategy does seem to be: kill everybody who won't quit the bullshit. That seems to me to be exactly what we are doing with our drones and special forces. We have drones that just stay in flight, in places like Yemen, to the point of just becoming a normal part of the background to people. Now this is different from what MIGF is talking about (which is more just kill everybody). But I think the Romans would understand the exercise of power that our drones represent. Our drone usage says: We can kill you, unannounced, from the air, at any time, and unexpectedly. We are making not insignificant areas of the world live with that, as the normal state of their lives. I think that people who went: well gently caress you then, we'll just build a goddamn ramp up the mountain to kill you, they would understand the things our current usage of force imply. And I think our use of force in this way is real danger to what we are (or just claim to be) as Americans. Edited: for grammar and clarity. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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I think that dog piles are wonderful, drive by posting is wonderful, and no amount of formalized debate or added rigor will prevent people from devolving into groupthink if they are so inclined. There is no force on earth that can reliably shake people loose from groupthink. It's actually what God is.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So how many unarmed human beings would it take to kill a grizzly bear? Assuming the unarmed human was formed into a solid cylinder, six inches wide, and dropped from a sufficient height on top of the bear, probably rather less than one.
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OwlFancier posted:Assuming the unarmed human was formed into a solid cylinder, six inches wide, and dropped from a sufficient height on top of the bear, probably rather less than one. I agree that humans would be deadlier if they were in fact artillery shells.
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So, uh, how does one debate and what is the first topic going to be? Do you debate from a position you hold, or is it going to be an exercise in rhetoric?
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SedanChair posted:I think that dog piles are wonderful, drive by posting is wonderful, and no amount of formalized debate or added rigor will prevent people from devolving into groupthink if they are so inclined. There is no force on earth that can reliably shake people loose from groupthink. It's actually what God is. Solution: arbitrarily rebel against the status quo with careful selection of ideology and attire.
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Develop the proper ideology free of revisionism and hammer your foes relentlessly with it until they submit to the might of correct think
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My Imaginary GF posted:Logically, there is only one method to eliminate islamist insurgents: eliminate islam. Islam will outlast the U.S.
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BrandorKP posted:Thing is, the current strategy does seem to be: kill everybody who won't quit the bullshit. That seems to me to be exactly what we are doing with our drones and special forces. We have drones that just stay in flight, in places like Yemen, to the point of just becoming a normal part of the background to people. Now this is different from what MIGF is talking about (which is more just kill everybody). But I think the Romans would understand the exercise of power that our drones represent. What's more important is how our displays of power influence the opinions of our neighbors and whether they see us as a benign or a malevolent entity. E: Also the US has had the attitude of "kill everybody who doesn't quit with the bullshit" for a long time now, since the beginnings of the Cold War. It just comes with being the world superpower. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Rockopolis posted:So, uh, how does one debate and what is the first topic going to be? Do you debate from a position you hold, or is it going to be an exercise in rhetoric? What you do is you pick a topic which makes a clear, normative statement. One person takes the pro side, one the anti. The pro side goes first, offering arguments for the statement, and then anti responds, providing arguments against the statement, which do not have to outline alternatives. In written debate, there's generally several rounds for rebuttals, which I usually see capped at five total essays/arguments for each side.
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Miltank posted:Islam will outlast the U.S. America isn't a place, its an ideal. It is the physical manifestation of elected government and representative bodies which ensure peaceful transition of political order. America is the oldest ambition of mankind; it is an eternal hope, the closest salvation we have in this life. Islam? That's a relatively young ideology and is no different than other animist systems of tribal rituals. Islam is a flash-in-the-pan ideology which lives and dies with its adherants; America is an eternal ambition of our species.
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My Imaginary GF posted:America isn't a place, its an ideal. It is the physical manifestation of elected government and representative bodies which ensure peaceful transition of political order. America is the oldest ambition of mankind; it is an eternal hope, the closest salvation we have in this life.
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I raise the counter point that Goku's chi-based powers could well be classed as magic, which superman is weak against. It is a rhetorical fallacy to suggest Superman's popularity in the real world translates into his physical superiority against Goku, additionally while a few gaijins may not have seen Doragon Bōru Zetto only time can tell which character will be truly considered a "classic" as the millenia pass. In conclusion, the kamehameha would overload the bioelectric aura that grants superman his invulnerability.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Logically, there is only one method to eliminate islamist insurgents: eliminate islam. No gods, no masters. The current problems in the middle east are a function of colonialism and cold war imperialism. The socialist world revolution will eliminate these problems and other trappings of the old world, like religion. A good post.
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