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My Imaginary GF posted:Logically, there is only one method to eliminate islamist insurgents: eliminate islam. How well did it work for the Romans? When they killed the trouble making leadership of their Jewish (and later Christian) problems? If you kill Paul, what does that do to Paul's ideas. If you kill Justin, what does that do to Justin's ideas. Short term the Romans had stability. Long term they lost the ideological fight. "Fear not them that kill you, and after that can do no more". You will perpetuate the ideology. And what if violent extremism is not something peculiar to Islamic extremists?
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eNeMeE posted:There's no logic in it, so There are plenty of historical antecedents for the effectiveness of what he's suggesting. The "kill everybody who doesn't quit with the bullshit" route, is a pretty common solution historically. I think it's more viable to argue that to choose it is to be on the wrong side of history (the side of force and power.)
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Jan 26, 2015 21:15
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Helsing posted:There are numerous reasons that the Geostrategic calculations that drove the foreign policies of the ancient Assyrians or Romans would not be viable today but "force" or "power" being on the "wrong side of history" are not among them. Thing is, the current strategy does seem to be: kill everybody who won't quit the bullshit. That seems to me to be exactly what we are doing with our drones and special forces. We have drones that just stay in flight, in places like Yemen, to the point of just becoming a normal part of the background to people. Now this is different from what MIGF is talking about (which is more just kill everybody). But I think the Romans would understand the exercise of power that our drones represent. Our drone usage says: We can kill you, unannounced, from the air, at any time, and unexpectedly. We are making not insignificant areas of the world live with that, as the normal state of their lives. I think that people who went: well gently caress you then, we'll just build a goddamn ramp up the mountain to kill you, they would understand the things our current usage of force imply. And I think our use of force in this way is real danger to what we are (or just claim to be) as Americans. Edited: for grammar and clarity. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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