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I'm getting kind of annoyed with the church and heavens and whatever and their stance that Maria has "no place" intervening in affairs. Like it's neat and cool when they show stuff like how single mindedly stopping all conflict in the area isn't exactly the best course of action, since that leads to penniless mercenaries who need to raid the locals to get their food. But this thing where Maria's witch powers shouldn't be used because it's "not her place" is annoying. Who's place is it to decide to end war? Is it better that a king do it? Why is it not Maria's place? Why is it that, with regards to humans, the heaven's have a policy of "we don't care, it'll work itself out in the end" but that same hands off thing doesn't apply to witches? How is Maria deciding of ehr own accord to halt all conflict in her little sphere of influence different from mercenaries deciding of their own accord to rape and pillage random villages? I mean obviously it's because she's a witch but I have yet to see any real reason why that would make a difference, besides "it was already decided on before the show started." Hell I'd be ok if the reason was at least simply just "God doesn't like witches," just at least state why the hell anyone cares more about what Maria does than what random mercenaries do. This thing where I'm just supposed to assume "well that's just how things were at the time, witches are considered heretics and no one likes them because they're heretics, and that's a perfectly suitable explanation for an angel to give" is getting on my nerves.
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wielder posted:On the other hand, it seems the heavens above (or at least the angels, since the Creator works in mysterious ways and all that) oppose her for various reasons. The use of supernatural powers comes with greater responsibilities than those of normal human abilities. Why? The power a human king wields is plenty great, they start and perpetuate wars and heaven doesn't give a gently caress. Since when does the power one holds determine one's agency in using those powers? Why does heaven care here, but doesn't care about powerful humans? wielder posted:They believe she shouldn't directly and publicly interfere in how regular human beings resolve their conflicts, which is a part of the natural order they claim to uphold. Why? Why isn't Maria part of that natural order? What excludes witches from the natural order? Why aren't Maria's actions also considered "the natural order?"
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I guess I'm just used to accepting that if magic exists in a fictional setting, then magic is essentially part of nature in that setting. I don't really see why magic and witches aren't just part of nature here, but whatever I supposed. It's something I'd like explained in some fashion at least. EDIT: I also don't see why heaven would particularly care about people worshiping witches or not, besides "well they just do, god is a jealous god, etc" but that's a bit easier to accept ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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Mar 2, 2015 02:30
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Darth Walrus posted:They care because Christianity (as represented by Michael) has a spiritual monopoly on Europe and doesn't like that Maria's horning in on their metaphysical turf. I'm not Christian. I don't know why this would matter to them at all. I guess it's probably a religious deal at that point though
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Mar 2, 2015 03:59
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Rodyle posted:I think the reason, not that it's really clear because this show has been spinning it's loving wheels for perhaps an episode or two too long, is tied into the whole power of belief thing. Michael and co don't necessarily wish for the other supers to gently caress off and die, as clearly he doesn't care about them running around on the fringes, what they're worried about is Christianity's preeminence, which would be endangered if every witch had free reign and valkyries went flying around on the visible spectrum. I think the scene here with the Celtic God as well as the previous one with Michael talking about Maria's supposed deific pretensions imply that the more people with faith in you, the stronger you are. Ok I can accept this
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Mar 2, 2015 04:53
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Darth Walrus posted:You don't see why an elite with an ideological stranglehold on a country might feel threatened by someone who (a) doesn't like them and (b) has the potential to be an effective, popular alternative? I meant why would heaven care "Heaven's power comes from people believing in them" is a pretty good answer to this, since then heaven actually has a stake in this. If you remove that, then I don't see why it would matter at all to heaven whether people believed in them or not, outside of "God is a jealous God" I guess WillieWestwood posted:We're talking about three worlds here. I don't care at all about the church (for the purposes of this discussion). My problem was "why does Heaven have a handsoff approach to humans, but not to Maria" ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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It could, sure. But if that was the case, the show never explained that at all, and I'd still be confused as to why it matters
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