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Perestroika posted:This is the first time I've really read much of anything about Dershowitz, and I can barely even believe he's a real person. He's the kind of character I'd expect to see as an antagonist on some cheesy TV crime show. He got OJ Simpson off like it was a sad ending on SVU.
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Ytlaya posted:I doubt he'll actually face any consequences for any of his actions, though at least his reputation has been tarnished somewhat. Given that he openly plagiarized and jack poo poo happened to him, reputation (or career)-wise, I seriously doubt it.
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Perestroika posted:This is the first time I've really read much of anything about Dershowitz, and I can barely even believe he's a real person. He's the kind of character I'd expect to see as an antagonist on some cheesy TV crime show. Sometimes I wonder whether popular media have destroyed our capacity to appreciate human evil. You'll hear people accused of truly heinous behaviour and a part of you just cannot believe it because it sounds too much like something out of an over the top television show. It's like the bizzaro world reverse of the "banality of evil".
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ThirdPartyView posted:Given that he openly plagiarized and jack poo poo happened to him, reputation (or career)-wise, I seriously doubt it. Oh, I know that it won't actually affect his career or anything. I mean that some marginally greater (but still relatively insignificant) percent of people will find him detestable than did before.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:16
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Am I reading this MJ article wrong or are they dismissing the whole thing? Maybe my sarcasm detector's broken but the bolded section just seems kinda iffy. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-conservative-media quote:Conservatives think they've found new ammunition for their campaign against the Clintons—a new Clinton sex scandal. Or sort of.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:44
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"the presence of numerous teenage girls on the financier's private island might have struck a visitor as unusual or even troublesome. But... Epstein had given tens of millions of dollars to political... causes"
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Nckdictator posted:Am I reading this MJ article wrong or are they dismissing the whole thing? Maybe my sarcasm detector's broken but the bolded section just seems kinda iffy. You're surprised a decidedly liberal news outlet is trying to whitewash a story that will hurt the Democrats' presidential frontrunner?
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Feb 1, 2015 03:00
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Nckdictator posted:Am I reading this MJ article wrong or are they dismissing the whole thing? Maybe my sarcasm detector's broken but the bolded section just seems kinda iffy. They're not dismissing it, they're saying it doesn't pose a political problem for Clinton because our corrupt ruling elite are bipartisan. Which is why Epstein flew big wig Democrats out to his statutory rape island but was also defended by Ken Starr. Rebochan posted:I'm kind of amazed this hasn't blown up bigger, to be honest, the case against Dershowitz and Prince Andrew first hit the press in early January. I think the US mainstream media is afraid of covering stuff like this in a big way unless they're given tacit approval to do so by having some major political player start making allegations. That lets them pretend to covering the allegations rather than the alleged behavior.
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Nckdictator posted:I had hoped that they'd be more sensitive to allegations like these. Especially justice for women.
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Nckdictator posted:I had hoped that they'd be more sensitive to allegations like these. Welcome to America
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Having a stable of mates is the most primal and ancient privilege of the elite. This isn't just institutional inertia and rot - taking on something like this is a generations-long struggle to change sexual mores (like normalizing the release of sexual energy through masturbation and dialing down the social pressures to marry and reproduce).
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Feb 1, 2015 03:11
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Nckdictator posted:Am I reading this MJ article wrong or are they dismissing the whole thing? Maybe my sarcasm detector's broken but the bolded section just seems kinda iffy. In terms of politics it would seem a bit odd that Ken Starr would be on the defense, at least to the types of people who still give a poo poo about Clinton scandals. There's a long list of high-profile names that so far have been released or leaked, including Donald Trump, so it's not going to be an exclusively Democrat thing. I'm not sure Republicans would really jump on this one too much. I suspect if this really started going somewhere, much like with the Lewinsky scandal a whole shitload of similar dirt would start flying about various Republican leaders and fundraisers. We have our own Jimmy Savilles (see the British corruption thread) in this country, and it takes years for things to shake out, if ever. At some point years ago there was a thread here about Epstein, and it talked about him bringing over underage girls from France (googling says they were 12) to a party of his attended by like Katie Couric and other celebrities and political types. Someone in the thread basically heavily implied that the type of "Hedge Fund manager" the guy is is not the typical Wall Street version, but more money laundering with some crazy insider trading. The kind of access and pull this guy seems to have is troubling.
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The Insect Court posted:They're not dismissing it, they're saying it doesn't pose a political problem for Clinton because our corrupt ruling elite are bipartisan. Which is why Epstein flew big wig Democrats out to his statutory rape island but was also defended by Ken Starr.
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Feb 1, 2015 03:35
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katlington posted:Thats how I read it also but it would be nice for somebody who matters to say, "gently caress it this is too much" and burn them all down regardless of political allegiance. People don't really care that much about men who have sex with underage girls. They say they do but it's not reflected in our laws or social customs.
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Not Bill Clinton impregnating a teenage girl was a big plot point in 'Primary Colors'
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SedanChair posted:People don't really care that much about men who have sex with underage girls. They say they do but it's not reflected in our laws or social customs. 
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Men with power being brought down is different from nobodies being publicly humilated for mass entertainment. But this goes to show why this larger problem is going to go unresolved - it is the root intersection of sex and power.
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ukle posted:Hes been right about a few things, which in a way is worrying as makes you wonder what other nutter conspiracy theories actually have a small ounce of truth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-franklin-cover-up/ quote:Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada, and Toronto, Canada. Regarding the allegations against Dershowitz, I wonder what the odds are that he has some inside information that can be squeezed out regarding Israels constant high-ranking as a sex-slavery state? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Israel quote:The U.S. State Department's "Trafficking in Persons Report, 2012" and "Trafficking in Persons Report, 2013" raised Israel's rank to Tier 1 quote:According to the study, the first-ever country-by-country survey of its kind, Israel has 7,700 to 8,500 slaves. Still, Israel ranked well relative to the lower standards in the Middle East, though Lebanon, Tunisia, and Egypt scored better than the Jewish state. quote:Over the past decade, about 10,000 women have been trafficked into Israel in what Keidar calls "modern slavery."
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FRINGE posted:Yeah, in case anyone hasnt heard of this weird story: This poo poo is so bonkers crazy that its almost impossible to believe and even harder to tell others about without sounding like a conspiracy crazed madman
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Are child sex objects becoming a status symbol for the rich and powerful now? "Get the prince whatever he demands." v I guess I was naive to think that we had modernized beyond the need to furnish royalty with teenage consorts Pegged Lamb fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Feb 1, 2015 |
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Pegged Lamb posted:Are child sex objects becoming a status symbol for the rich and powerful now? You say this like it is a new phenomena. Alphas get their choice of mates, and youth and virginity are seen as valuable things.
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Pegged Lamb posted:Are child sex objects becoming a status symbol for the rich and powerful now? * http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/05/seeking-arrangement-201005 http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-06-27/news/seeking-arrangement-sugar-daddy/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/seeking-arrangement-college-students_n_913373.html Its just obviously a coincidence that the same banker/politicians that drive people into poverty are the same ones anxious to exploit them for sex. 
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FRINGE posted:Yeah, in case anyone hasnt heard of this weird story: I'm not sure if your point on "Conspiricy of Silence" is accurate. A quick google search only lists such reputable sites as "Libertarian News", Tony Alamo Ministries, "TeaPartyTruther", and loving Stormfront mentioning it.
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Nckdictator posted:I'm not sure if your point on "Conspiricy of Silence" is accurate. A quick google search only lists such reputable sites as "Libertarian News", Tony Alamo Ministries, "TeaPartyTruther", and loving Stormfront mentioning it. edit: Every theoretical conspiracy makes it to the weird sites. The only time it gets complicated is when you find ones that are get past "just theoretical".
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McDowell posted:You say this like it is a new phenomena. Alphas get their choice of mates, and youth and virginity are seen as valuable things. I wonder how much of it is basically people in the elite manufacturing "alpha" status for themselves. The whole alpha male idea is largely romanticised, watch any nature show and you see that whenever the alpha turns the other way the "betas" start mating with their harem. Hell, "alpha" humans had to invent marriage and sexism essentially just to stop their mates giving birth to someone elses kids all the time. Nowadays though you can manufacture this mostly mythological alpha human status with money and influence, you can screw who you want and ruin who you want so you must be a top dog right?
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McDowell posted:You say this like it is a new phenomena. Alphas get their choice of mates, and youth and virginity are seen as valuable things. Yeah, except shitkicker perverts in a nascar shirt manage to be sex offenders as well. They just get caught more often.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah, except shitkicker perverts in a nascar shirt manage to be sex offenders as well. They just get From the tabloid/uk thread it sounds like the rich fucks get found out by police/various others all the time, its just when ever they do its swept under the rug. Seems the best way to start get this stuff to stop is to unfuck the police force, and put massive barriers between the police and the politicians, so they is no way they can pressure them into looking the other way on stuff like this. ....but yeah that's never going to happen.
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dr_rat posted:From the tabloid/uk thread it sounds like the rich fucks get found out by police/various others all the time, its just when ever they do its swept under the rug.
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Sometimes they are brought to justice: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/
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SedanChair posted:People don't really care that much about men who have sex with underage girls. They say they do but it's not reflected in our laws or social customs. Human trafficking is not just men who have sex with underage girls. SedanChair posted:Yeah, except shitkicker perverts in a nascar shirt manage to be sex offenders as well. They just get caught more often. That's not the same thing as human trafficking.
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katlington posted:Human trafficking is not just men who have sex with underage girls. Yes I know, and don't presume to lecture me about human trafficking. That's something people care about even less.
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nopantsjack posted:I wonder how much of it is basically people in the elite manufacturing "alpha" status for themselves. The whole alpha male idea is largely romanticised, watch any nature show and you see that whenever the alpha turns the other way the "betas" start mating with their harem. The alpha male is romanticized even in said nature shows. For example, people still think wolves are packs with alpha/beta males based on a flawed study from the 1940s conducted on wolves in captivity. Wolf packs in nature are actually family units, with the alphas being the parents and the betas being the kids. A few years after the kids are fully grown, they set off and form new packs of their own. Even in lions, "alphas" (a male who has been accepted by a female pride or has kicked out the previous male) only tend to keep that status for 2 years at best. Alphaness is not something inborn and alpha/beta dominance is not something anyone wants to try to emulate, cause it always ends in the alpha being overthrown or killed. Dominance theory in of itself is really dumb and does not reflect reality.
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Ostiosis posted:Sometimes they are brought to justice: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ Holy poo poo. "would not fare well in jail" maybe he would feel punished or get bad rep.
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Nation posted:Holy poo poo. "would not fare well in jail" maybe he would feel punished or get bad rep. Which is weird because according to Scalia, prison's where you go to get big gains.
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Ostiosis posted:Sometimes they are brought to justice: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/ Don't worry, upon hearing about the case the Governor had the judge
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McDowell posted:Men with power being brought down is different from nobodies being publicly humilated for mass entertainment. Men with power don't get brought down for lots of things, dunno how you can turn that into "People in the US/UK don't give a poo poo about men having sex with underage girls" generally. Laws and social customs in the US at least are very decidedly against that sort of thing. It's like saying people don't give a poo poo about theft because bankers get away with defrauding people out of billions. There's clearly more to it. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:Men with power don't get brought down for lots of things, dunno how you can turn that into "People in the US/UK don't give a poo poo about men having sex with underage girls" generally. Laws and social customs in the US at least are very decidedly against that sort of thing. Some mi5 guy alleges kgb and cia knew this was happening and used it for leverage over UK governments.
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Nonsense posted:Some mi5 guy alleges kgb and cia knew this was happening and used it for leverage over UK governments.  But that would be a violation of the agreement between the UK and America not to spy on each other!
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Jack Gladney posted:He got OJ Simpson off like it was a sad ending on SVU. And before him, Klaus Von Bulow. If anything, Dershowitz would be the recurring villain.
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