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Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Wow, given that Krillin's Porn Stash basically was JK, I'd chalk that up as a win for goondom.

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Ziggy Starfucker
Jun 1, 2011

Pillbug

Fogie posted:

They're not giving specifics yet on the next scheduled challenge, but is there a rough ballpark based on previous events? Are we looking at weeks, months, next year?

The gap between the first and second challenge scenarios was about a month and a half. It might have been a little longer because of the Christmas break but yeah, 1-2 months sounds like a good guess. Also here are some pretty screenshots I took of our village before the scenario ended:

Our village off in the distance with the two archer posts clearly visible. We build our town on the northern edge of a natural mountain ridge, and imported a large amount of dirt create the foundation for it.


Here's the vulnerable western wall of the village, which was the only good direction to attack from, and is where the blacklighters breached our walls. I dug that ditch across the rock face after the raid, and several people helped create the spike barriers and thorn bushes.


Here's the main village area seen from inside the walls on the west side. I would have liked to make the central keep larger, but I was pressed for time and building materials.


This hidden mine entrance was the only convenient way into the village. During enemy raids we would pop in and out of these hidden entrances like guerillas and take a few swipes at enemy horses before falling back and attacking from another direction.


You can see the sad little village of our allies in the distance there with the dragon statue. They won that statue in one of the "hunt of the ancients" pvp events in the center of the map. Their village was designed and laid out pretty badly, and I'm guessing they didn't have a single village planner or a plan at all really:


This view from one of the archery posts gives a better idea of the town layout.


Our allies gave a lot of compliments on the archery posts and the fantastic panoramic views they gave of the surrounding terrain. They were quite functional too, and you use archery to snipe at enemies coming up the hillside below. In the distance below you can see some additional fortifications we built towards the central resource spawn.



Overall I'd say this was one of our more successful goon villages, given that we survived the entire duration of the scenario (the kingdom of Mol-Rehan sure didn't) and even got some of the obsessive wurm pubbies to flip out and ragequit a few days before the scenario ended. And we still technically won the scenario but claiming more territory, even though we were at a consistent disadvantage at combat out in the field. And we successfully raided the enemy pubbie villages more than they raided us, mostly because they didn't put any time or effort or planning into their fortifications.

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Gee, maybe by the time the next challenge hits I'll be able to get Java to function and I can die gloriously for SA, over and over.

The game seems interesting, but Java has defeated my every attempt to try it so far.

Maiden
Mar 18, 2008

The only real issue with our village is that we never completed the central tower, so once they got in the walls there was no real place to go to shoot short bows at attackers unless you wanted to risk a run to an archery tower. This was minor when it happened as we were all PvP nubs and didn't realize shortbows were just as important, but the main person building our walls drifted off after repairing the damage of that raid.

The biggest problem with this game being that even with 25x skill gain and everything starting at 21 (or 20.5 for characteristics if you started late for some reason because rolf is bad) it was still super grindy

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Man I was so ready to quit Wurm for life is feudal but LIF is so alpha it's nigh unplayable. It would be awesome if Wurm didn't even have levels and the game just involved exploring, crafting, building, and raiding settlements - in other words, Notch had the right idea.

drat it Rolf give us private Wurm servers already.

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
LIF is a scam anyway. LIF:YO is beyond trash, unplayable, and they rtied to charge original KS MMO backers for it.

Carol Pizzamom
Jul 13, 2006

a bear you feed is a bear and a steed
It's weird to me that Notch was involved in a more ambitious project before he made Minecraft, one with terrain deformation and MMO elements and all that poo poo. You would think the timeline would have been reversed. I could never get into this game but it's pretty impressive, especially for its time, and so few people know about it

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

Carol Pizzamom posted:

It's weird to me that Notch was involved in a more ambitious project before he made Minecraft, one with terrain deformation and MMO elements and all that poo poo. You would think the timeline would have been reversed. I could never get into this game but it's pretty impressive, especially for its time, and so few people know about it

He still is. He gives Rolf a huge amount of money every month as a friends thing.

Chakron
Mar 11, 2009

Biowarfare posted:

He still is. He gives Rolf a huge amount of money every month as a friends thing.

Where did you hear that? Wurm Online is very profitable for Rolf.

Maiden
Mar 18, 2008

Carol Pizzamom posted:

It's weird to me that Notch was involved in a more ambitious project before he made Minecraft, one with terrain deformation and MMO elements and all that poo poo. You would think the timeline would have been reversed. I could never get into this game but it's pretty impressive, especially for its time, and so few people know about it

That's because notch was the client dev when he was with rolf

Karistar
Jan 5, 2012
Was called away about 4 or 5 days before the end of Challenge, but it's good to see that someone not only rebuilt the Porn Stash's walls but also made the interior actually look nice as well. And that someone actually rebuilt the broken walls/floors of Central Keep, too.

If I hadn't been called away I would've built the other archery posts, assuming the issue with the south-west corner was resolved (mine entrance in the way). If there was one thing I regret not getting before I was called away, it was getting 100 Masonry (I was at 99.6 Masonry or so).

Freakbox
Dec 22, 2009

"And Tomorrow I can get Scared Another Day..."
This is really free to play? It looks really neat. :3: I like the idea of being free to do whatever. I would be willing to try this for free- I'm not usually big on MMOs, but this seems up my alley. Question- does it have in game voice chat?

Freakbox fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Mar 12, 2015

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy
didn't it used to (some ericsson near-you-physically thing?) but it was just terrible

Jackdonkey
May 31, 2007
You have skills 1-100 for a bunch of stuff like fighting, digging, farming. If you don't pay the skills get capped at 20.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
We're all on mumble anyway. Right now there isn't a challenge so the game isn't worth playing, but stay tuned for the next one. I feel pretty optimistic since in this latest challenge Goons fought poopsockers and won.

shitting stars
Jun 11, 2008

Holy poo poo.

I've always loved Wurm, and played with the goon groups numerous times over the years (as Jobber), but would consistently burn out after a few months because of the crazy grind. Will definitely get in on this when the next Challenge Scenario comes around.

Also, for non Challenge-characters, I assume skills still decay over extended periods of inactivity?

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

making GBS threads stars posted:

Holy poo poo.

I've always loved Wurm, and played with the goon groups numerous times over the years (as Jobber), but would consistently burn out after a few months because of the crazy grind. Will definitely get in on this when the next Challenge Scenario comes around.

Also, for non Challenge-characters, I assume skills still decay over extended periods of inactivity?

I don't think so, only your physical stuff as far as I know (though you lose skill by dying).

But there's no point in logging back in for PvE. Last I bothered with it Johnny Rascal and I were trolling up and down the coastline of Xanadu looking for people to gently caress with and it was boring as all get out. Also no point in going for PvP because on all those servers people are so deeply entrenched that nothing is going to change the status quo (an issue being addressed by the challenge servers.)

Admittedly one productive thing came of a visit to Chaos, I learned about shooting zombie sharks for fun and profit.

EDIT:
The most fun I had in Xanadu was when we went to the edge of some pubbie's deed and started doing the classic "chopping down all the trees" maneuver while chatting in local with fake textual Russian accents. The pubbie told us to stop - we pretended not to understand. He paid real money to increase his deed multiple times to push us farther from his settlement, then he put us on kill on sight. We later came back when he wasn't logged in, killed his guards, and erected statues in our honor. But that's pretty much the only fun you can have in PvE unless you want to make deserts again or something.

Xibanya fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 12, 2015

shitting stars
Jun 11, 2008

Yea my character is currently on a PvP server (don't remember which) and will probably die as soon as I log in.

My deed was on the site of a long abandoned mountain/coastal village (only the mine and terraforming remained) and it took the guards over a day to kill all of the scorpions and trolls. On top of the local troll infestation, the Forest Giant would pay me a visit at least once a day and force me to hide inside the mines. It was a glorious location.

RainMaker
Oct 25, 2012

This is me every time you post.
Invite for Ryzerkane please. I have no idea what I'm doing :ohdear:

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

RainMaker posted:

Invite for Ryzerkane please. I have no idea what I'm doing :ohdear:
Considering that they just moved the characters back to Golden Valley for the next Challenge round, i am pretty sure you should have stayed there.

RainMaker
Oct 25, 2012

This is me every time you post.

Toplowtech posted:

Considering that they just moved the characters back to Golden Valley for the next Challenge round, i am pretty sure you should have stayed there.

I'm still in the tutorial bit and haven't selected a server. I'll just play on my own for a bit then.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

RainMaker posted:

I'm still in the tutorial bit and haven't selected a server. I'll just play on my own for a bit then.

tbh after you reach like level 30 it's actually kinda fun to craft up your own house, horse ranch, all that poo poo. But once you have it all, PvE can get stale.

Depends
May 6, 2006
no.
Did anyone who played this round get the reward helmet that they'd feel like donating to the mains on the other server? Serp has a disturbingly large collection of hats and needs one (or 10) of those.

quote:

27 Cavalier Helmets were sent out to the 25% random Cavaliers of the winning Jenn-Kellon kingdom on the last Challenge round.

Maiden
Mar 18, 2008

I was one of that 25%, and I don't have a main

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Hey guys, Johnny Rascal and I were discussing how some of you guys are interested in messing around in the game until the next challenge. We're going to make a new village in Xanadu (we let our old one decay) and you guys can use it as your sandbox to learn how to use macros (the only tolerable way to advance in this game) and experiment with the new craftable items. We will provide more details once we have a location.

Tom Powers
May 26, 2007
You big dummy!
It's free to do that right, we're just gimped combat- or developmentally-wise on the PVE servers?

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Tom Powers posted:

It's free to do that right, we're just gimped combat- or developmentally-wise on the PVE servers?

Yep it's free - your levels are capped at 20 though, but that is suitable for playing around, especially if you're using macros.

nelson
Apr 12, 2009
College Slice

Xibanya posted:

Yep it's free - your levels are capped at 20 though, but that is suitable for playing around, especially if you're using macros.

What is the point of playing a game so tedious that it requires macros? Are there any good Minecraft mods that can give the land owner/war experience so I don't have to worry about the leveling up nonsense?

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

nelson posted:

What is the point of playing a game so tedious that it requires macros? Are there any good Minecraft mods that can give the land owner/war experience so I don't have to worry about the leveling up nonsense?

Once you reach a certain level it isn't so tedious and then it's Iron Age Minecraft. But the grind to get there is THE WORST which is why you don't have to do it in these new challenge servers. We're hoping that once Rolf notes the success of the challenges he'll make the main game less grindy too.

Depends
May 6, 2006
no.

Xibanya posted:

We're hoping that once Rolf notes the success of the challenges he'll make the main game less grindy too.

This will never happen. Most of the longest time players are so proud of the amount of time they spent grinding up skills that they'd rather quit or let the game fold than let others have an easier time of it.
There have been tons of threads asking for random changes to skills that those players will downvote and cry about fairness because "if I had to grind it the hard way so should new players". Even UI changes to make clicking things less RSI inducing has brought out posts like that.

Chakron
Mar 11, 2009

Xibanya posted:

Hey guys, Johnny Rascal and I were discussing how some of you guys are interested in messing around in the game until the next challenge. We're going to make a new village in Xanadu (we let our old one decay) and you guys can use it as your sandbox to learn how to use macros (the only tolerable way to advance in this game) and experiment with the new craftable items. We will provide more details once we have a location.

Wurm Online Guide to Macroing: Post your plans in a thread regularly read by GMs!

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Chakron posted:

Wurm Online Guide to Macroing: Post your plans in a thread regularly read by GMs!

The server sub forum can't be read unless you're logged in. Doubt Wurm gms are goons - if they were they wouldn't be such assholes.

Depends
May 6, 2006
no.
Unless Wurm GM JohnnyRascal created this honeypot thread to lure you in and meet his ban quota!
:tinfoil:

Zahrkon
Apr 2, 2010

Xibanya posted:

The server sub forum can't be read unless you're logged in. Doubt Wurm gms are goons - if they were they wouldn't be such assholes.

There is at least 1 wurm GM whom is also a goon, he probably doesn't give a poo poo though.

Ziggy Starfucker
Jun 1, 2011

Pillbug

nelson posted:

What is the point of playing a game so tedious that it requires macros? Are there any good Minecraft mods that can give the land owner/war experience so I don't have to worry about the leveling up nonsense?

It's mostly about creating a pretty house full of furniture in an immersive fantasy sandbox, which is something Minecraft can't quite replicate even though the design is better and it's more fun overall. Typically in PvE goon villages everyone starts quitting once their personal houses are done, because of burnout from the labor involved, and because there's not much else to do on the PvE server except wander around stealing things from corpse piles and abandoned/poorly secured homesteads and trolling sensitive pubbies. Building a large village area with a bunch of goons is really fun though for the whole two weeks it usually lasts.

Also yeah I don't see Rolf making the vanilla servers less grindy - I'm pretty sure those are his main revenue base and they're pretty much ran for the exclusive benefit of Crazy Wurm People who see grinding as a test of your dedication and a way to keep themselves more socially important than the non-spergs. I'm guessing that Challenge Server is intended to attract a larger playerbase made up of "normal" gamers, and also to get some big, dramatic PvP fights because Rolf has always liked that kind of thing.

Maiden
Mar 18, 2008

Don't forget that Rolf's been trying to shove PvP as the main focus of the game for almost as long as the game's been running, as well.

Tom Powers
May 26, 2007
You big dummy!
Did you get that starter village on Xanadu up yet?

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty

Tom Powers posted:

Did you get that starter village on Xanadu up yet?

Not yet since I wasn't sure if anyone would care, but I'll scope out a nice patch of land tonight. tbqh I can't remember where I am on Xanadu...probably on a boat that has decayed away sitting on the coast (pubbietopia). Do you prefer to be near pubbies or far from pubbies?

Tom Powers
May 26, 2007
You big dummy!
I have no idea I just want to get my bearings.

Seems like it would be a better time when it's quiet than during the challenge and losing out on the first week or two for not having any idea how to play.



I made it through the tutorial but I'll wait a bit to pick a village, out of these options:

Vrock Landing
Esteron
Lormere
Whitefay
Glasshollow
Newspring
Linton
Summerholt (seems to be default?)
Greymead


I'm not sure how easy it is to change or where they are and I'm going to go make some dinner. Let me know if it's easy to change or if there's one in particular that would be a good start location. TIA!

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Depends
May 6, 2006
no.

Tom Powers posted:

I have no idea I just want to get my bearings.

Seems like it would be a better time when it's quiet than during the challenge and losing out on the first week or two for not having any idea how to play.



I made it through the tutorial but I'll wait a bit to pick a village, out of these options:

Vrock Landing
Esteron
Lormere
Whitefay
Glasshollow
Newspring
Linton
Summerholt (seems to be default?)
Greymead


I'm not sure how easy it is to change or where they are and I'm going to go make some dinner. Let me know if it's easy to change or if there's one in particular that would be a good start location. TIA!

If you just want to pop in and run around exploring you can do that, if you die you'll only lose your backpack and bowl which isn't a big deal. If a village is created and you are sent and invite you can teleport or suicide to it.

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