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Mel Mudkiper posted:Speaking of Manziel being scouted, how did no one ever find out he was a massive alcoholic before he got drafted? They knew, they just didn't care because Johnny  Manzeil bitches.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:18
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Pretty sure they did know which makes it even crazier.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:18
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Bigass Moth posted:Pretty sure they did know which makes it even crazier. I mean even the most supportive estimates of Johnny Manziel basically fell into "He is gonna need to work really hard to refine his talent because he will not be able to bullshit it out there like in Texas." I feel like "Hey this guy is passed out until noon everyday" is the biggest possible warning sign imaginable
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Feb 5, 2015 21:20
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Speaking of Manziel being scouted, how did no one ever find out he was a massive alcoholic before he got drafted? It wasn't talked about much. I remember some rumors that his parents might have had him in some form of counseling/rehab, but as I recall it was pretty quiet and I think a lot of people just chalked it up to him being the typical college goof. E: then again I may have missed a lot of it. DJExile fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 21:21
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DJCobol posted:I think Jerry Jones would have had the common sense to know that Manziel wouldn't be a starter, and all he would be there for was to sell jerseys and take a few reps in some pre-season games (like when the Pats picked up Tebow), and thats about it. Haslam wanted to start Manziel, that's the difference. He was dead serious about Manziel being the future of the Cowboys. quote:He told Van Natta that he was the only person in the draft room who wanted Manziel and that passing on him goes against the same risk-taking philosophy that made him buy the Cowboys in the first place
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Feb 5, 2015 21:24
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He's got to be happy now.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:26
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Nothing would me more obnoxious than Manziel being the QB for Dallas. Edit: Tired of mediocre 8-8 seasons, The cowboys draft Manziel in the hopes of a perfect 0-16 season for 2 years so they could farm better draft picks.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:27
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DJExile posted:Oh the cavs are a hot ticket right now, no doubt about that, but at the end of the day cleveland is pure football. The cavs being popular are purely because of Lebron, not because Cleveland loves basketball. The Indians had the longest sell out streak in baseball until the Red Sox beat them: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Indians#Sellout_streak Baseball goodwill requires a few good seasons before you start seeing consistent sellouts. Having one good season won't turn the tide.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:28
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Marshmallow Blue posted:Nothing would me more obnoxious than Manziel being the QB for Dallas. This was what was to become until Rolando McClain showed up in a time machine to right this errant flow of time.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:35
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So you're saying the random friendly hobo was wrong, hmm
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Feb 5, 2015 21:41
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I feel like the random hobo was some Looper poo poo and was actually burn-out Johnny Manziel with a time machine
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Feb 5, 2015 21:46
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Speaking of Manziel being scouted, how did no one ever find out he was a massive alcoholic before he got drafted? I just looked up this gem again (patriots scouting report of Manziel) http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-scouting-report-new-england-patriots/ and it's proven 100% true. They only write "will drink" but his alcoholism might have been caused/triggered by his less than stellar performance in the NFL and the mocking he had to endure.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:46
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AsInHowe posted:So you're saying the random friendly hobo was wrong, hmm the important question: Where does a cleveland hobo watch Texas A&M football games?
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Feb 5, 2015 21:47
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GaussianCopula posted:I just looked up this gem again (patriots scouting report of Manziel) http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/johnny-manziel-scouting-report-new-england-patriots/ and it's proven 100% true. They only write "will drink" but his alcoholism might have been caused/triggered by his less than stellar performance in the NFL and the mocking he had to endure. If he didn't have many friends within the organization and said organization was unsupportive (in general), it would not be a stretch to say he started drinking more due to his isolation. That's probably the 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 21:47
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old dog child posted:If he didn't have many friends within the organization and said organization was unsupportive (in general), it would not be a stretch to say he started drinking more due to his isolation. That's probably the fastest way to go from a social thing to a serious problem. Considering how his meltdown was almost immediate I find it hard to swallow that his alcoholism was "triggered"
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Feb 5, 2015 21:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Considering how his meltdown was almost immediate I find it hard to swallow that his alcoholism was "triggered" What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about an entire season of gradual decline because clearly he's been a bad teammate from the start e: oh I worded my original post weirdly. change fastest to effective
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Feb 5, 2015 21:56
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old dog child posted:If he didn't have many friends within the organization and said organization was unsupportive (in general), it would not be a stretch to say he started drinking more due to his isolation. That's probably the fastest way to go from a social thing to a serious problem. I feel like a thing that needs to be said is that drafting Manziel was not the problem. The problem was glad-handing him after he was drafted instead of making him earn a spot. He went his whole college career being a jackass because he could get away with it. Of course he was going to continue that/get worse if you still let him get away with it. And he could still turn it around like a Rich Gannon, just not on the Browns.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:57
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old dog child posted:What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about an entire season of gradual decline because clearly he's been a bad teammate from the start I never saw a gradual decline though. Every report I've seen has been "this dude has been a fucker since day 1"
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Feb 5, 2015 21:58
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Well, yeah he has been but I'm just saying that he went from being the center of attention to being a guy nobody would want to be around. He drank before with people and shifted to drinking alone. I don't know, I'm just speculating because it's a little weird to me that he's in rehab already.Skeesix posted:I feel like a thing that needs to be said is that drafting Manziel was not the problem. The problem was glad-handing him after he was drafted instead of making him earn a spot. He went his whole college career being a jackass because he could get away with it. Of course he was going to continue that/get worse if you still let him get away with it. And he could still turn it around like a Rich Gannon, just not on the Browns. Yeah, that's basically what I meant. He went from star child to piece of poo poo very quickly. That has to have an effect on a dude who is all about his own ego e: you can have a problem by social drinking but it probably won't feel like a problem until the people disappear e2: either way it's loving sad that he wasn't able to control himself. I hope he gets better and finds even mediocre success because I'd like to see him get sacked into eternity 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 21:59
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Yes but exactly what kind of addict is Manziel, let us investigate this
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Feb 5, 2015 22:20
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Johnny Football needs to play better. No one would give a poo poo about drinking, or partying, or being late to meetings if he didn't play like dogshit every time he stepped on the field.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:26
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Darth Brooks posted:He's got to be happy now. Yeah, he's about to get him just for trading Dez Bryant or Demarco Murray or something
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Feb 5, 2015 22:31
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A hobo telling the Browns to draft Manziel may be the best story ever in he NFL.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:31
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It seems like La Canfora's story is saying that Farmer and Haslam wanted Manziel in, and Pettine and Shanahan did not. Given that, I am guessing the Farmer texts happened once they put Manziel in, when he started to look lovely. Basically like Farmer thought he knew plays that would work better with Manziel I did think the play calling sucked once Manziel came in but he also sucked at them so it was kind of a Browns ouroboros
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Feb 5, 2015 22:34
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I will never forgive Jerry Jones' son for robbing us of Manziel as a Dallas Cowboy even if he ended up good that spectacle would have just been the greatest thing to ever happen
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Feb 5, 2015 22:35
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NC-17 posted:Johnny Football needs to play better. No one would give a poo poo about drinking, or partying, or being late to meetings if he didn't play like dogshit every time he stepped on the field. *Joe Namath nods*
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Feb 5, 2015 22:35
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They better not gently caress up their uniforms.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:46
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seiferguy posted:The Indians had the longest sell out streak in baseball until the Red Sox beat Most of that streak happened when the Browns weren't a NFL team and the Indians were consistently one of the best teams in baseball. The Browns are the only organization in Cleveland that can keep selling out games when the team is poo poo.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:03
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Nothing filled me with dread quite like reading a few NFL writers report that the Browns were looking into Bryce Petty around the time of the senior bowl.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:06
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Frackie Robinson posted:They better not gently caress up their uniforms. At least on the helmet, Nike is adding a texture to the stripe and changing the shade of orange to something more oklahoma state than cleveland
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Feb 5, 2015 23:38
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I don't understand how someone who has run a good business can gently caress up hiring a bunch of smart football dudes, letting them do poo poo, and quietly sitting in the background with minimal meddling. The only time the owner is the focus of a football or a pro sports team its because they're loving garbage and the owner/owners are like human turds. Why does he insist on putting himself out there? My uncle is a Browns fan and its just depressing to watch a game with him. He's so hopeful every year, but its like immediately quashed a few weeks in. This year he was so excited for Hoyer.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:43
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ho fan posted:Most of that streak happened when the Browns weren't a NFL team and the Indians were consistently one of the best teams in baseball. The Browns are the only organization in Cleveland that can keep selling out games when the team is poo poo. In all honesty, that's generally the case in most cities. Because of football's popularity, as well as scarcity of tickets (only 8 home games a year), games will sell out even if the team is bad. Even when the Seahawks have bad seasons, they sell out - but the Mariners who have been consistently bad maybe only get a couple sell outs in a season, on opening day and when a popular team comes to town. I have to imagine this is the case in other cities too, unless the football team has a stadium issue (like the Chargers).
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wtftastic posted:I don't understand how someone who has run a good business can gently caress up hiring a bunch of smart football dudes, letting them do poo poo, and quietly sitting in the background with minimal meddling. Haslem is a criminal and an idiot who was born into his billions and now he gets to play football coach and nobody can say no.
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Feb 6, 2015 00:53
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seiferguy posted:In all honesty, that's generally the case in most cities. Because of football's popularity, as well as scarcity of tickets (only 8 home games a year), games will sell out even if the team is bad. Even when the Seahawks have bad seasons, they sell out - but the Mariners who have been consistently bad maybe only get a couple sell outs in a season, on opening day and when a popular team comes to town. I have to imagine this is the case in other cities too, unless the football team has a stadium issue (like the Chargers).
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Feb 6, 2015 01:19
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Manziel should get a mentor. Maybe somebody who played QB in the NFL while drinking successfully. Maybe one... Kyle Orton?
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Feb 6, 2015 03:04
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The first half of the season was really loving fun to be in the area and everyone was super nice but then it led to the fact that everyone's heads got too big and then when they inevitably crashed and burned everyone was super loving salty about it to the point of it tasting like pringles dipped in tears
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Feb 6, 2015 03:07
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I never saw a gradual decline though. Every report I've seen has been "this dude has been a fucker since day 1" Absolutely. He didn't do anything different in college than he did this season in Cleveland, but the fanatic Texas A&M fanbase (also most of TFF) would just wave it away with their hands and say "lol Johnny's awesome" or "Johnny being Johnny!". It's funny how that behavior doesn't really work in the pros.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:11
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The Big Jesus posted:Manziel should get a mentor. Maybe somebody who played QB in the NFL while drinking successfully. Maybe one... Kyle Orton? Is Orton a legit alcoholic? I know he drinks a ton but was he a guy who would go home after practice and down a fifth of jack? There's some athletes like that. Bret Boone would go home after a game and down 9-13 beers before passing out to sleep.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:23
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Febreeze posted:I will never forgive Jerry Jones' son for robbing us of Manziel as a Dallas Cowboy Stephen Jones owns and I'm pretty sure he's been the one running the team since 2008. It seems like Jerry Jones is just the face of everything while Stephen works in the background.
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The Big Jesus posted:Manziel should get a mentor. Maybe somebody who played QB in the NFL while drinking successfully. Maybe one... Kyle Orton? Wade Boggs
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