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My commander? Is that in reference to the command cards? Do I need those? Should I get them? Or are you talking about there being Warma style commanders where I need to pick one?
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How good are Resistance berserkers? From my literal no experience, scouring enemy troops out of buildings seems very useful, so berserkers may be the tipping point between Allied and Feral for me. On the other side of the coin, how are the Archangel Pathfinders? In my head it's a tradeoff between elite AA and CQB, please corroborate. Either way, Mad Max renegades and bloated old tanks both kick major rear end.
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Yeah for big games you'll need a dedicated command unit. I think 1.1 has rules that let you nominate one, but if you play PHR you have access to some of the best commanders in the game. You'll want to pick up one of those and some command cards to go with them. Look at prices on ebay- they usually cost about $15 + $3-4 for the cards. 2 starter sets isn't needed, but it helps because you get cheap transports, core infantry, solid AA, and a good basic walker unit. You'll use all of those except maybe the Junos as you build your army out.
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[size=150]Standard Army[/size] Clash: 1499/1500 points Standard Army
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signalnoise posted:My commander? Is that in reference to the command cards? Do I need those? Should I get them? Or are you talking about there being Warma style commanders where I need to pick one? In all but the smallest games you are required to field a command unit, each faction currently has a choice of two. PHR command options are the Zeus or the new Nemesis, the Zeus comes in a pack of two but you don't have to field both as you can make up squads of type 2 heavy walkers using different variants. Command cards are an optional game mechanic but in practice you will definitely want to use them and are effectively standard. You can use them even if you are playing a skirmish game without a command unit. For buying advice see the OP it is all current info and basically boils down to buying the updated 1.1 edition core rulebook and command cards. There is one expansion book so far, Reconquest: Phase 1 which you probably also want to pick up. There is no 1.1 version for that, it has only had minor errata updates made to it very recently so will probably remain current for the foreseeable future.
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Alright, so I'll buy a PHR starter box, command cards, and one of those commanders. What should I get for Resistance to be similar in terms of power? My preferred outlet does not have the starter for Resistance.
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Does the Menchit stink even after the errata? It rolls a hell of a lot of dice!
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signalnoise posted:Alright, so I'll buy a PHR starter box, command cards, and one of those commanders. What should I get for Resistance to be similar in terms of power? My preferred outlet does not have the starter for Resistance. Resistance starter box, command cards, and one of the Resistance commander blisters; all the starter boxes are fairly balanced against each other. Give a 2nd thought to picking up the 2 player starter set anyway, since you'll need the rulebook and the card terrain it comes with is pretty nice for cardboard. Maybe you can sell (or give) the Scourge and UCM plastics to a friend who you can then play against. Just a thought.
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Hawk have published their pre-Salute newsletter and it's full of hints that something space-related is coming. Looks like more of the new infantry types will be on show too. Salute is on Saturday. I'll take a camera and keep the thread posted...
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Apr 23, 2015 23:29
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dexefiend posted:Does the Menchit stink even after the errata? It rolls a hell of a lot of dice! Not sure, it looks much better but it is still a dedicated infantry killer that pretty much keeps it in the one trick pony camp. I suspect it will become more valuable when the new Infantry types start to come out. Speaking of which there was a newsletter today stating that there will be both new models and previews on show at Salute this weekend. Hopefully it's not just the next round of famous commanders and we learn more!
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Loxbourne posted:Hawk have published their pre-Salute newsletter and it's full of hints that something space-related is coming. Looks like more of the new infantry types will be on show too. I'm jealous 
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Tequila Ranger posted:Resistance starter box, command cards, and one of the Resistance commander blisters; all the starter boxes are fairly balanced against each other. Yeah that makes sense. I'll just pick up the 2 player starter and see where I wanna go. UCM was my 3rd choice anyway.
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Have they released the new command cards yet? Or announced what theyre gonna be doing with them/is every faction just getting a 3rd edition version
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MisterShine posted:Have they released the new command cards yet? Or announced what theyre gonna be doing with them/is every faction just getting a 3rd edition version New command cards have been out for a while now. They should be available whenever you get your DZC stuff from. The strange thing is that the SKU is the same and the packaging provides no indication that it's the new version. The only way to tell is to have the shop open the package (the deck will remain pristine) and look for "1.1" in the top right corner. You can still use the older card versions and rely on the PDFs Hawk has provided for the upgraded text. The only faction without upgraded cards is the Resistance, being new enough to have any changes considered before release.
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Apr 24, 2015 00:52
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How "mass" does this game play? I don't know poo poo about mass battle games and I'm looking at DZC to fill that spot really. But recently someone told me it ends up playing somewhat like a smaller scale game because it's still little mans, except your mans are tanks now. I have TONS of skirmish level games with 5-10 dudes per side. I'm wanting to make sure this is solidly in the "mass battles" category, of which I have no idea.
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Meant the ones the unique commanders add
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Loxbourne posted:Salute is on Saturday. I'll take a camera and keep the thread posted... Thank you!
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signalnoise posted:How "mass" does this game play? I don't know poo poo about mass battle games and I'm looking at DZC to fill that spot really. But recently someone told me it ends up playing somewhat like a smaller scale game because it's still little mans, except your mans are tanks now. I have TONS of skirmish level games with 5-10 dudes per side. I'm wanting to make sure this is solidly in the "mass battles" category, of which I have no idea. Define "mass". Do you mean "large play area"? "Huge number of dudes"? "Abstractly represents an entire theater"? "Rules allow and support scaling up of armies to absurdly sizes while still being relatively swift in game resolution"? Because DZ:C can pretty easily scale up, because resolutions are fairly quick (fewer than four rolls, reference two stat-blocks and one table at most) and you can smash together battle-scale armies to just make a bigger army. e: i am contractually obligated to suggest playing a full battalion-with-vehicle-infantry-artillery-and-areospace-support game of Battletech if you really want to play a "massive" game Wales Grey fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Wales Grey posted:Define "mass". Do you mean "large play area"? "Huge number of dudes"? "Abstractly represents an entire theater"? "Rules allow and support scaling up of armies to absurdly sizes while still being relatively swift in game resolution"? I don't even know man. I posted a thread about this and no one replied. I am pretty heavily invested in skirmish games and I passed up on Kings of War. Now it's a far out wait for Warpath so I'm digging into whatever the opposite of skirmish is, in part out of curiosity. I already bought my stuff and I'm gonna play, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the kind of strategy paradigm shift I'm going to need. I've never played any of those formation plate games like Warhammer Fantasy, never played anything other than 28mm each to their own base. So playing with tanks and abstracted squads seems cool, but I do want to experience everything there is in non-historicals. Some day I'll try fleet battles maybe, but right now it's Dropzone.
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MCPeePants posted:How good are Resistance berserkers? From my literal no experience, scouring enemy troops out of buildings seems very useful, so berserkers may be the tipping point between Allied and Feral for me. On the other side of the coin, how are the Archangel Pathfinders? In my head it's a tradeoff between elite AA and CQB, please corroborate. I chose Feral Resistance because of the neat command cards, the fluff, and the berserkers. I'm planning to add Berserkers but the trade off is that they take up an Exotic slot which cold be filled with Occupation Vets, which are a ~really~ good infantry unit. Berserkers need to be paired with another infantry unit so you can actually take objectives, overall the Occupation Vets are a good all-rounder but Berserkers are certainly a way to clear a building.
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signalnoise posted:I don't even know man. I posted a thread about this and no one replied. I am pretty heavily invested in skirmish games and I passed up on Kings of War. Now it's a far out wait for Warpath so I'm digging into whatever the opposite of skirmish is, in part out of curiosity. I already bought my stuff and I'm gonna play, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the kind of strategy paradigm shift I'm going to need. I've never played any of those formation plate games like Warhammer Fantasy, never played anything other than 28mm each to their own base. So playing with tanks and abstracted squads seems cool, but I do want to experience everything there is in non-historicals. Some day I'll try fleet battles maybe, but right now it's Dropzone. To get some idea, look at the points of the starters: Resistance for example comes in between 502 and 577 (e: UCM appears to be 527-557, for interest's sake), depending on transport upgrades. Tournament standard is 1500, with bigger games not unusual. Obviously as you expand your army there would be more expensive choices, but it's still worth noting that the starter boxes are small armies. MCPeePants fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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MCPeePants posted:To get some idea, look at the points of the starters: Resistance for example comes in between 502 and 577, depending on transport upgrades. Tournament standard is 1500, with bigger games not unusual. Obviously as you expand your army there would be more expensive choices, but it's still worth noting that the starter boxes are small armies. Sounds good. I went and pulled the trigger on some stuff. When I want to get out of using card terrain, what are the good options for 10mm stuff? I'd LOVE to use the tiles that Hawk produces, but they're kind of uhhhhhh pricey? And the Novus Design stuff I see is actually 6mm, not 10mm. What do you guys use when you're not using card?
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Apr 24, 2015 20:22
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10mm is the same as model railroad N scale. Now get to eBay and buy a hundred dollar city!
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The Orbital Bombardment guys have started twittering from Salute at https://twitter.com/obdzc A bunch of pictures of new infantry plus the UCM fleet and a big diorama. I have to admit i wasn't really digging the design of the DZC scale strike carrier we have seen before, it gave me Firestorm Armada vibes and much like FA on the whole i found it okay but nothing special. The larger UCM ships are a pleasant surprise, they're not what i expected but i do like them quite a bit and most importantly they don't feel like casting was the primary concern when designing them. Also they seem to have giant spinal mounted lasers judging by the things that look like the business end of the orbital defense laser terrain piece.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1IxT8VSDSs The big ship, the UCM fleet, a discussion of some of the mechanics and Adny Chambers towards the end
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I really like the sound of the sensor and range mechanics and it'll be interesting to see how the altitude works out.
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I have photos of the display and UCM models uploading now. I also managed to get ahold of one of the pewter UCM carrier pre-release models - the detail levels are as high as anything you'd expect from Hawk. If this is representative of the final game miniatures, it'll be superb in quality of stuff.
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Is there a way to get the resin building tiles without ordering them from the UK? I'm calculating how much it'd cost me to make a building and it's pretty steep, but it appeals to me in a fundamental way as I love building stuff from kits.
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Okay, here's my gallery of photos - variable in quality, but the spaceship ones are pretty good and I got an excellent shot of the Avenger's big Okudagram blueprint. http://imgur.com/a/FTDPB There are also some excellent photos on the Orbital Bombardment twitter feed linked a few posts up. I was one of the group who got to chat to Dave and Andy about the game mechanics. A lot of the important stuff about orbital bands and sensor signatures has been mentioned already, but they also revealed a few details about the factions will play and how the fighter/bomber systems will work. The UCM will be a wide-arc faction with a lot of good turret coverage and a focus on heavy ships (as discussed, it'll only be the troop-carrying ships that can score points). They'll have some very tough small ships and escorts. The PHR will have stealthy small ships and powerful but very unwieldy capitals. Andy mentioned the PHR ships will mostly have directional weapons and are intended to be huge whales that have to carefully pick their shots. No word on the Shaltari, but the Scourge will be in-your-face fast ships with a lot of fragile short-range weapons. Someone asked about Resistance ships. Dave is considering "old empire remnant" ships as pirates or allies, but not as a full faction on release. The fighter mechanics also came up and have some interesting ideas behind them. At short range, fighters/bombers etc will be like FSA ones in that they work like a weapons system with a token attached. But at longer ranges, you play them on an enemy ship like a hand of cards - the target can pick up the signatures incoming, and knows when they'll arrive. Your opponent then has the choice of trying to bull through, dispatching interceptors if he has any, or using special orders that boost speed or manoeuvrability to try and shake them off. Those special orders will cut the target's firepower, letting a savvy carrier commander tie down big enemy capitals. There will be no ramming and probably no boarding - Dave says that's not the style of game he wants. Likely release date for the starter box is Christmas this year.
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I'm so loving in. Buying into UCM in the next 72 hours. Wish me luck!
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Apr 25, 2015 16:08
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I am so incredibly pumped for Dropfleet Commander. It sounds and looks Awesome.
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If I'm getting the UCM starter, some Raven-As, and then an additional blister of infantry, what infantry should I get?
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Praetorians. They're your elite building storming choice. You'll already have 2 square of Legionaries from the starter set for normal building searching and objective grabbing.
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Pumped for PHR in.... Is drop fleet commander official or working title?
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Alright, after what little details we got on the spaceship game, I'm kind of excited. The models are gorgeous and the rules sound interesting. I'm definitely going to wind up buying in at some point. Beyond that, the infantry previewed at the show look pretty cool. I especially like the space-welder UCM dudes and the idea that they'll be adding more Shaltari slave races into the mix. The PHR sniper unit is really bland, but there's probably still a couple of other units coming their way so I hope they'll be more unique. signalnoise posted:Is there a way to get the resin building tiles without ordering them from the UK? I'm calculating how much it'd cost me to make a building and it's pretty steep, but it appeals to me in a fundamental way as I love building stuff from kits.
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Safety Factor posted:You probably don't want to get resin buildings from Hawk. They're really really expensive for what they are and you can probably find substitutions pretty easily. It's already been mentioned that N scale model train stuff is equivalent to 10mm. I haven't looked into it myself, but it may be worth checking out. Yeah, I just couldn't find anything thematic that was worth the money. Any specific links?
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Weirdly, I don't think the name of the space game is confirmed. Still. But at least the concept sounds interesting, I like that Hawk are trying to go in a different direction to the rest of the increasingly busy space game genre and are trying to tie it into Dropzone so that you could build it into an interweaving campaign. I have no idea how many people will actually do that, but I like the thought. The ships are looking cool, although tbh if you had asked me I would have guessed that those capital ships were PHR rather than UCM, its the lines of the armour plates I think. The new infantry look nice, particularly the scourge bio-beasties. I do have to agree about the PHR snipers though, they do look a bit generic 'scouts in power armour wearing cloaks'. Hopefully they'll come with some interesting trick up their sleeves. Anyone know why there was a big resistance drill in the display cabinet? Is that the painted big bertha? Edit - Just found this on Twitter: quote:Orbital Bombardment @OBDZC · 10h 10 hours ago
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Those mechanics sound awesome! I was hoping they'd do something different with the PHR fleet compared to how they play on the ground. That said, if the quality and level of detail is anything like the UCM ones, then I'll be in on this no question.
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I'm fairly sure they have confirmed the name as Dropfleet Commander, to tie it in with Dropzone Commander. The idea of having the battle area being low(ish) orbit and having scoring units being troop transports that manoeuvre into place to drop forces onto cities is a genious idea.
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