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Kaal posted:Here's a tip to stop coming across as a huge and ignorant bigot: Stop telling people about what "militant atheists" do, and how intolerant "militant atheists" are, and how much "militant atheists" hate Islam and hijabs, and generally acting like a prat. If you don't know what antitheism is, read about it. I don't know why you think that atheists are somehow an exception to the evils of blatant stereotyping, but stop and take a reality-check. Hahahaha holy poo poo calm down duder, nobody was implicating you in anything
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Volkerball posted:It's pretty obvious the vast majority of atheists follow extremist ideology. You can tell because there's no atheists who disavow extremist leaders like Dawkins and Harris. I sure haven't seen any. Atheism is just inherently an extremist dogma, because it advocates the end of all religion. lol tell me more about atheist "ideology" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 11, 2015 13:10
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It's obvious Atheism is not able to conform with Western religious values. Here in the West, we respect Freedom of Religion, obviously Atheists need to learn more about that.
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Feb 11, 2015 13:32
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Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
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Exclamation Marx posted:From his fb page, he mostly likes atheism, LGBT rights, other liberal stuff and BBWs. And a beard is not a substitute for a jawline, Christ. Mods/admins plz ban Volkerball for his shocking homophobia/transphobia/fatphobia/bloateephobia. Disinterested posted:Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos. Stop ignoring all the moderate Nazis in favor of their extremist fringe.
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As an atheist, which I know ideologically doesn't mean squat, but whatever: gently caress this stupid rear end in a top hat in his idiot ear. What is the loving point of killing 3 random charity-workers? How is that going to help anyone with anything?
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Yeah, as an atheist, I'm quite comfortable condemning this unequivocally, and agreeing that whatever semblance of an "atheist community" exists needs to figure out how to make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future. Whether or not this guy was mentally ill, it's clear that atheism/anti-theism had an influence on his actions in some part, and I think we should indeed look to see if there's anything that atheist "spokespeople" could do to counter this sort of thing, so an incident like this doesn't happen again. It would be nice to see a clearer distinction drawn between extreme antipathy towards religious beliefs (not a problem) and the same towards religious people (a massive problem). As for what Richard Dawkins says about this (since someone on the first page asked): "How could any decent person NOT condemn the vile murder of three young US Muslims in Chapel Hill?"
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How could you NOT murder those people if you really believed what Dawkins and Maher say about them?
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comes along bort posted:three muzzies Let's not call them that.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, as an atheist, I'm quite comfortable condemning this unequivocally, and agreeing that whatever semblance of an "atheist community" exists needs to figure out how to make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future. Whether or not this guy was mentally ill, it's clear that atheism/anti-theism had an influence on his actions in some part, and I think we should indeed look to see if there's anything that atheist "spokespeople" could do to counter this sort of thing, so an incident like this doesn't happen again. It would be nice to see a clearer distinction drawn between extreme antipathy towards religious beliefs (not a problem) and the same towards religious people (a massive problem). joke's on us he's not a decent person 
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PT6A posted:As for what Richard Dawkins says about this (since someone on the first page asked): Radbot posted:How could you NOT murder those people if you really believed what Dawkins and Maher say about them? baw posted:honestly, i'm disgusted that more atheists don't speak out against militant atheism  Pictured: the well known silent moderate majority
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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You see half a sheet sticking to a roll. I see half a sheet sticking to another roll.
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Radbot posted:How could you NOT murder those people if you really believed what Dawkins and Maher say about them? Some of the more extreme atheists, like Sam Harris, have advocated for a preemptive nuclear strike against Muslims and have defended the use of torture to combat the Muslim threat. It's kinda a bad thing when you start taking the same positions that Christalian fundamentalists take when it comes to possible existential threats.
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Vaginapocalypse posted:Some of the more extreme atheists, like Sam Harris, have advocated for a preemptive nuclear strike against Muslims and have defended the use of torture to combat the Muslim threat. It's kinda a bad thing when you start taking the same positions that Christalian fundamentalists take when it comes to possible existential threats. Pre-emptive nuclear strikes are stupid, torture doesn't work, and Sam Harris is a fairly bad "militant atheist" because I don't see why a "militant atheist" would be so eager to give long, sloppy blow-jobs to Israel, a country literally founded based on religious identity.
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Local news now reports that the motivation may have been an "ongoing dispute over parking." http://www.wral.com/chapel-hill-police-parking-dispute-may-have-led-to-triple-shooting/14438074/
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Mons Hubris posted:Local news now reports that the motivation may have been an "ongoing dispute over parking."  In fairness, a lot of undiscriminating hatreds stem from the hatred of a small subset of a group.
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wow I never thought that one of the bigger instances of murder hate crime against muslims in the US would come from an atheist. then again after listening to the poison spewed by Sam Harris, Hitchens and the like I cant say I'm surprised, it's really disheartening to see how much racist hate speech was flaunted around unquestioned simply because the targets were muslim, maybe this incident will change the rhetoric? I dunno. I wonder if Dick Dorkins will make any statements about this.
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Al-Saqr posted:wow I never thought that one of the bigger instances of murder hate crime against muslims in the US would come from an atheist. then again after listening to the poison spewed by Sam Harris, Hitchens and the like I cant say I'm surprised, it's really disheartening to see how much racist hate speech was flaunted around unquestioned simply because the targets were muslim, maybe this incident will change the rhetoric? I dunno. Posted Above: "How could any decent person NOT condemn the vile murder of three young US Muslims in Chapel Hill?" Say what you want about the guy, but he responded quickly and properly.
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The problem with 'new atheists' like Dawkins is most definitely not that they are in favour of killing random civilians. The situation is not that neatly in parallel to terrorism. It's just that they're self-righteous and obnoxious.
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Kaal posted:Here's a tip to stop coming across as a huge and ignorant bigot: Stop telling people about what "militant atheists" do, and how intolerant "militant atheists" are, and how much "militant atheists" hate Islam and hijabs, and generally acting like a prat. If you don't know what antitheism is, read about it. I don't know why you think that atheists are somehow an exception to the evils of blatant stereotyping, but stop and take a reality-check. Please come post in the religion threads.
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I understand some people are really eager to set up some sort of false equivalence in order to push the "Everyone can be assholes, it doesn't matter about religion!" view, but if it turns out this guy did it because of some stupid, unrelated thing like a parking dispute, that view is going to be ridiculed even more. And worse, those scary "New Atheists" have another reason to mock you and be even smugger, so I'd be careful about trying to score points off of this tragedy before all the details are out. Seriously, I agree with the sentiment behind it, but people making fools of themselves(and aggressively so) in cases like this makes it harder to argue for it with others.
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gently caress gently caress gently caress this guy was on my facebook friends list. I wake up this morning to messages from a friend letting me know that this happened. I didn't really know the guy and probably had him as a FB friend from religious discussions but seriously gently caress this so hard. How can this piece of poo poo go and do this to people?
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Disinterested posted:The problem with 'new atheists' like Dawkins is most definitely not that they are in favour of killing random civilians. The situation is not that neatly in parallel to terrorism. It's just that they're self-righteous and obnoxious. It's actually that they are universally enthusiastic cheerleaders for Empire and all its attendant atrocities. In addition to typically buying into completely unscientific "evo psych" notions of gender (or worse, race) issues.
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Charlie Hebdo thread. Me:Tezzor posted:If preventing mass shootings is our specific goal then the untrammeled atmosphere of psychotic rage I've seen everywhere over the last 24 hours remains a very serious concern. All it takes is one Elliot Rodger out there mad at Islam instead of feminists and being radicalized as we speak. All it takes is one protogoon all hosed up on r/atheism and we've got another massacre on our hands. D&D atheists: PT6A posted:When was the last time an ideologically-driven atheist went on a shooting spree? I don't think we have that much to worry about, frankly. Pleasant Friend posted:So basically you don't care about the 12 people who died today, you are only concerned about the 12 fictional people who may be killed by a fictional radical atheist X years from now? Torka posted:Hahaha what the gently caress, when has a shooting rampage been carried out in the name of atheism DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I know that 12 people just got killed, but let's focus on the real victims: a large but indeterminate number of still-alive people who may or may not in the future suffer unspecified harm. The Insect Court posted:Exactly. The real story here is the right-wing anti-Muslim backlash catalyzed by the events in Paris yesterday. From the broader perspective, that event and the particulars of what happened and who did what is immaterial. We should keep in mind who will ultimately be the victims here, and who repeatedly harassed and committed rhetorical violence against a marginalized group and were thus the prime movers in this affair. Broken Cog posted:And why the gently caress are we talking about hypothetical atheist terrorists in this thread anyway? I thought it was just something Tezzor was rambling about, why are people taking it seriously?
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:It's actually that they are universally enthusiastic cheerleaders for Empire and all its attendant atrocities. In addition to typically buying into completely unscientific "evo psych" notions of gender (or worse, race) issues. I don't think there is any substantial group agreement on these issues among the popular writers.
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blowfish posted:But antitheism sounds bad it must literally be as bad as Its certainly not as bad as daesh but it is as dishonest and lovely as david barton. Plus lets not forget the tendency to racism and misogyny under the guise of  So how is the media treating this? Anyone defending the shithead yet? Or does him being an atheist mean that any "goodwill" certain degenerates on the right would have to him is canceled out? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Tezzor posted:Charlie Hebdo thread. Me: Broken Cog posted:You're dumb.
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Sure, maybe these terrible posts are only made by a small minority of D&D posters. But if the vast majority of D&D posters support good threads then where is the outcry from these so-called 'OK' posters?
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E: Idk people getting probated and i dont know why so im just gonna not post itt, adios! E2: Oh, i am in the DnD thread somehow? My B, somehow gbs put me here Fetus Tree fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Fetus Tree posted:E: Idk people getting probated and i dont know why so im just gonna not post itt, adios! Look, a small sacrifice of forums users posting rights is not too much to ask for to keep our threads and subforums safe.
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Tezzor posted:Charlie Hebdo thread. Me: Initial reports are that Hicks went berserk over an ongoing parking dispute. While it could very well be that he went on a "New Atheism"-inspired rampage, it could also be just another case of an aging white male feeling disrespected by a minority and deciding to correct the perceived injustice through murder.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Initial reports are that Hicks went berserk over an ongoing parking dispute. While it could very well be that he went on a "New Atheism"-inspired rampage, it could also be just another case of an aging white male feeling disrespected by a minority and deciding to correct the perceived injustice through murder. This and his anti theist stance perhaps made it easier for him to dehumanize the victims. I'm not convinced he did it BECAUSE he was an atheist, though it likely played some role in his actions. Stupid crazy people gonna do stupid crazy things. I'm just glad the atheists are roundly condemning this and coming out unified against rear end in a top hat behavior.
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Volkerball posted:Well we know it was likely pre-meditated since he's being held on first degree murder charges.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Initial reports are that Hicks went berserk over an ongoing parking dispute. While it could very well be that he went on a "New Atheism"-inspired rampage, it could also be just another case of an aging white male feeling disrespected by a minority and deciding to correct the perceived injustice through murder. No, the most important thing is to jump to the nearest favourable conclusion so that you can position yourself to say 'I told you so'. It's not about justice, it's about looking good. I don't know why all of you seem to be goonrushing so close to the incident, why not just wait and see what turns up in the investigation.
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Disinterested posted:No, the most important thing is to jump to the nearest favourable conclusion so that you can position yourself to say 'I told you so'. It's not about justice, it's about looking good. It's some sort of macabre tribalism, and it's really tasteless. It's the exact same reaction you see from Islamophobes when a Muslim commits a murder.
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