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This trips me out a little since I live within driving distance of two pretty healthy malls. Are they really on the way out in general?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:This trips me out a little since I live within driving distance of two pretty healthy malls. Are they really on the way out in general? do you live in the midwest? than probably yeah, they are dying. do you live in a prosperous upper-middle-upper class area? then they are doing great.
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Accretionist posted:A strikingly large parking lot.
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fuctifino posted:Osaka Stadium This freakin owns
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fuctifino posted:Osaka Stadium why
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fuctifino posted:Osaka Stadium
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fuctifino posted:Osaka Stadium https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arles_Amphitheatre#After_Rome
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Stayed in a dutch hotel on the way to the holiday vacation, this was the view from my room: This was next to it: 
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fuctifino posted:Osaka Stadium What are those panels sticking out of it? Are they to block the sun at some certain angle or just for show?
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Osaka stadium was a model home showcase after it was retired as a stadium. It's gone altogether now.
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CampingCarl posted:I imagine there are better uses for the open space in a city but if the outer part was converted to apartments/shops it is pretty neat.
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Cacafuego posted:It's Oklahoma, what the hell else are they going to put there? Mormon Vatican. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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MikeJF posted:Osaka stadium was a model home showcase after it was retired as a stadium. It's gone altogether now. They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city 
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A bit late on Shardchat, but the first time I saw it (not British) was on that one Doctor Who episode, and until I thought to actually look it up I was convinced it was made up for the show. It just seems so out of place. Neat looking building, but it would have made perfect sense for it to have been made up for Doctor Who as the token futuristic office building occupied by drones under the control of an alien intelligence.
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Pead posted:They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city Nobody escapes the labyrinth mall. Nobody!
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Lutha Mahtin posted:the laws and regulations in america for parking and parking lots are often hilarious and sad As someone that now designs parking structures I can back this up.
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A Winner is Jew posted:As someone that now designs parking structures I can back this up. plz post about this  we have so much lovely parking in my town, especially downtown. i think it was even mentioned a few dozen pages back (minneapolis). there are a ton of these crappy surface lots with crumbling asphalt/concrete, ugly wastes of space that are bad for the environment, both the natural environment and the human one. they also must be incredibly profitable, because you can usually find a lot near your destination where you can park for literally nickels per hour. it seems like there are a lot of contributing factors to this status quo, though: the property tax system, mediocre public transportation, lingering effects and attitudes of white flight the only other thing i really know about this issue is that sometimes businesses are required to provide parking, often regardless of how much parking there is in the area otherwise, or how much their customers even use cars. and there often isn't an upper limit to the requirement, or proper incentives to discourage over-building, so you end up with these huge asphalt seas that barely ever show any significant percentage of spaces filled.
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I still say, and I've said it in this thread before, that parking requirements are fine as long as it's UNDERGROUND parking. The only problems are wah wah wah it's expensive <fart>.
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Pead posted:They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city Somebody enjoyed Olympus from Appleseed.
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Pead posted:They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city I've been there. It's pretty cool. I vaguely remember that some random Japanese guy bought me coffee icecream.
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Pead posted:They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city That's pretty.
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CampingCarl posted:What are those panels sticking out of it? Are they to block the sun at some certain angle or just for show? it might give you a little ledge by the window you could keep plants on. wouldn't surprise me if it's also for the "lol how wacky" factor, though
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Lutha Mahtin posted:plz post about this Most if not all of those downtown surface lots are just land being held by speculators waiting for the value to go up. Once the immediate area starts getting hot they'll be sold to developers and poo poo will get built there. Until then, giving it a cheap paving job and leasing it to one of the local parking companies is just a way for the current owner to generate some cash flow and offset property taxes. If they weren't parking lots, they'd just be empty plots of land. No one buys expensive urban land solely for the purpose of making it a parking lot. (Of course, depending on the location, it may be years or even decades before the values rise enough for the owner to sell, so it might well remain a parking lot for quite a while...) Also, minimum parking space laws usually apply to businesses in suburban or rural areas where there is no public parking. When all of the nearby parking lots are owned by other businesses (who will often tow non-customers' cars if it starts to become an issue), you can end up with a real mess if a business doesn't have enough parking. Of course, those laws do lead to even more urban sprawl; every big store or shopping center needs acres of land for parking, so it becomes very difficult for density to increase and poo poo just keeps spreading out further and further.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:plz post about this Seconding this. blugu64 posted:Even Okies don't want to live like ants all packed in and crawling all over each other. I can agree on not wanting to be too packed together, but American suburbs are not a good answer to the problem, better city planning is. Sadly capitalism makes that very hard to do, if it is even possible.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:plz post about this What do you want to know? Horror stories about contractors not knowing how to properly form concrete and literally ruining a multi-million dollar building? How loving up a single number on a plan can cost millions of dollars? I know everyone talks poo poo about parking structures because they're usually ugly and reinforce commuter traffic, but most of the time it's a super effective use of space and they don't have to look ugly if they spend a bit of money on making them not look like poo poo.
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A Winner is Jew posted:What do you want to know? Yes Yes
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It may be BS but I heard a story recently that a Walmart project went sideways when the plumbing plan of the pipes and stuff in the slab was mirror image to all the other plans, slab got poured and consequently demolished when the error was discovered.
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a happy snowman posted:Yes So I can't post pictures or go into a ton of specifics because (a) it will give away where I work and (b) there are still some pending lawsuits on these. Now, concrete isn't that hard to do yet you would be literally shocked (horrified) when you realize just how many concrete contractors... people who's only job is to manage concrete pours, are complete and utter gently caress-ups. (And no joke, the US has arguably the most talented contractors in the world, I have even more horror stories about Chinese projects) Now I'm not talking about mom+pop contractors you hire to pour a patio, we're talking about firms that have been around long enough and have had enough capital to purchase concrete pumping vehicles that size of 18 wheelers. For instance on the one project I was referring to, national ADA requires you to have a 8'2" clearance from the top of the slab to the bottom of the beam so you can drive an ambulance beneath them, and not just in the drive isle. This is a pretty big requirement that's been around for decades so it's not like it's new and it's why when we design things we usually give the guys in the field 2" above that because poo poo happens and  if you think they can build poo poo as accurate as you've designed something to. Now typically the huge concrete beams on structures get poured into a form and because concrete is loving heavy they will place a bunch of hydraulic jacks under the forms so stay relatively level and don't sag to the point of not getting that 8'-2" clearance... only apparently not on this project.So when they took the concrete forms off and there was as much as 8" of sag on some of the longer spans. Ok... you can chip away at the concrete to get your clearance right? Well the slight problem with that is the structural rebar buried in the beams is only about 4" above the bottom of the column. Quick math on that says not only are you chipping away 6" of concrete, but you'd also have to remove the rebar in the column itself which is the entire point of that column. So yeah, brand new structure had to be demolished and rebuilt because of that gently caress-up... and they found that on level one after they just poured the 5th level. The second one isn't all that glamours, but basically someone thought it would be a good idea to try their hand at calculating finish floor elevations when they didn't know how to actually calculate finish floor elevations. Now normally that wouldn't be the end of the world, but when it's at the doorway of a wrap project (parking structure is wrapped by residential units) that interfaces with the building surrounding it, and they hosed up the finish floor elevation by 6" you run into an issue that cost the firm in question about 1/2 million dollars to fix it, both in extra materials and extra engineering fees. That's however not that bad since that firm is still in business while the concrete contractor above just declared bankruptcy, the construction administration firm that was overseeing the construction and should have caught that poo poo also just went bankrupt, and the general contractor that hired both of them are in serious poo poo. Bogatyr posted:It may be BS but I heard a story recently that a Walmart project went sideways when the plumbing plan of the pipes and stuff in the slab was mirror image to all the other plans, slab got poured and consequently demolished when the error was discovered. This sounds right. Coordinating the MEP on a project is huge which is why people like me get paid retarded sums of money to build accurate models that virtually build an entire project before they even break ground. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:
BIM is great until you start getting electrical panels feeding themselves. I'm consistently amazed by revit and not in a good way.
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keyboard vomit posted:BIM is great until you start getting electrical panels feeding themselves. I'm consistently amazed by revit and not in a good way. Yeah, Revit is great for everything except for electrical design and has been for years. You're much better off using AutoCAD MEP (devices are your friend) since it's much, much better for electrical design while still giving you about 95-98% of the BIM functionality that Revit gives you.
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What's BIM please? Fascinating stories, BTW. More please!
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WMain00 posted:Nobody escapes the labyrinth mall. Nobody! Horton Plaza in San Diego owns. The bottom of the rabbit hole is a cinnabon or something. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:So I can't post pictures or go into a ton of specifics because (a) it will give away where I work and (b) there are still some pending lawsuits on these. Thank you, this is awesome. My mother was in retail property management - basically handled shopping malls from construction to keeping it together when it was full of tenants and shoppers - and I did clerical work there to help pay my way through college. I knew about the gently caress-ups she dealt with, but nothing on that scale.
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Pead posted:They replaced it with a terraced park / shopping arcade now . It's a mall so its not all that great, but it ends up being a pretty cool way to add usable greenspace to the city Chinatown posted:Horton Plaza in San Diego owns. The bottom of the rabbit hole is a cinnabon or something. I have lots of weird dreams about wandering around shopping malls, where I live in a loving shopping mall or my undergrad college has been made into one these look like them and make my head kind of hurt
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therattle posted:What's BIM please? Fascinating stories, BTW. More please! BIM stands for Building Information Model. You'll find plenty of fancy videos on YouTube if you type in your question without the "please", but it all boils down to making a detailed, unified model of a building and the construction process rather than having separate people do a bunch of blueprints and a vague schedule. At least in theory. The idea is to avoid situations where you have e.g. a HVAC duct blocking the sprinkler piping because nobody cross-checked the blueprints. It won't stop architectural disasters if the concept is flawed or prevent construction workers bungling things, but it does reduce ambiguity and conflict in plans.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, Revit is great for everything except for electrical design and has been for years. You're much better off using AutoCAD MEP (devices are your friend) since it's much, much better for electrical design while still giving you about 95-98% of the BIM functionality that Revit gives you. If you set electrical equipment to a "Demolished" phase it just deletes it. The MEP side of revit is jankey as hell but its required where I work so its what I'm stuck with. At leas t device placement is easy.
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