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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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I'm trying to identify mid-sized US cities with comparatively large downtown historic districts, particularly those blessed with lots of brick architecture from the late 1800s to early 1900s.

Any advice on how to research that? Architecture and urban planning's outside my wheelhouse so I have no sense of what the resources are.

Also, can any architecture buffs summarize, or recommend a documentary about, what the hell was up with Urban Renewal? I've been looking at historical photos of my city this afternoon and those crazy people clawed the downtown's guts out. They did poo poo like tear down beautiful chicago style corner buildings to put in 1-story banks with off-street parking.

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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Neutrino posted:

Many mid sized cities have good historic warehouse districts adjacent to downtown like St. Louis and also Milwaukee. There are others but I am not familiar with them. The National Trust for Historic Preservation is probably the best source for information. Some of their staff are on an advocacy tour giving lectures about preservation issues and to educate people about saving the Historic Tax Credit. I went to see Stephanie Meeks speak last month and the information she presented about the economic value of preservation is amazing. Go and see her if you can.

I did a recent lecture on the history of Milwaukee's downtown development and losses of historic buildings. Milwaukee still has a pretty good stock of historic buildings that were not torn down. Through newspaper articles and 1950's-1960's consultant reports on urban renewal I found several issues which affected many cities throughout the US. Downtown districts suffered three development roadblocks which caused many problems in the 1950s. Prohibition had an effect on many cities that depended on the brewing industry, the Great Depression stopped development in the late 1920's thru the mid 1930's, and World War II had government restrictions on new construction for the duration of the conflict. Post war development moved away from city centers to outlying areas and developed in response to greater reliance on cars. CBD areas suffered as a result of all these issues and by 1954, Congress enacted the Housing Act to fund clearance of blighted areas and spur housing development. Cities used these funds to clear large areas of "BLIGHT". Then interstate highway development came along and cities planned for downtown highway loops which also had a hand in clearing out more "blighted" areas.

In Milwaukee, tax loopholes were used by property owners to clear old, poorly kept downtown buildings instead of investing money in their repairs and built surface parking lots which were cheap cash cows. There really has to be local codes and tax benefits to preserve not only older buildings but also the urban fabric of neighborhoods where these buildings exist. If you clear them all for parking lots, you not only lose valuable tax base but you lose a vitality which otherwise would draw people to an area. The result is a deserted area which developers don't want to touch because it is deserted. It is a Catch-22.

This is very useful, thanks!

And Stephanie Meeks does seem to be an interesting person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bGXcN8RSP8

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Flagrant Abuse posted:

The other two sides are just giant windowless (aside from at the seam) concrete slabs that even the most die-hard brutalism fan (hi, that's me) would be hard-pressed to justify.


Those needs to be completely covered in ivy or something.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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AwwJeah posted:

Kunsthaus, Graz, Austria





actually rad as gently caress

Looks like a dumb gay alien thing materialized too close to the surface

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Of course the South would build a pyramid just to stick a Bass Pro Shop inside.





Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Brutalism alone is ugly.

Brutalism with greenery owns and is like a metaphor for some ideological whats-it that I've always taken for granted and thus don't notice and aren't thinking of.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Selfridges Department store in England:




And for good measure:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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That's got to be a cult compound.

edit: Which thread?

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Mr. Sharps posted:

all you fans of brutalism mingled with greenery should visit seattle's freeway park







used to be a great place to score smack but i hear it's been cleaned up quite a bit now

I want that all over. Cityscape like a weirdly concrete-ey forest would be fantastic.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Palette Cleanser: The Cathedral of Learning










I look at that, and then I look at this thread, and I think, "Don't trust any architect under 130,." "Why?"

It's part of the state university in Pittsburgh and was built in the 30s for $10m, or, in 2015 dollars, ~$130m. If I ever win a very large lottery, America's getting another one.

It is also the tallest educational structure in the western hemisphere and was apparently the site of some good powerwasher porn in 2007 when this happened:




Interior shot:



I feel like it's straight out of some utopian alternate reality where threads like this don't exist. Look at it. Look at it.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Munin posted:

Random aside, it is a "palate cleanser" not a palette one. It refers to a drink or little bit of food served between courses clear the taste of the last course before starting the next one, hence cleansing the palate.

Clearly you've never scrubbed palettes for a living.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Palette Cleanser: Redux





Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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But enough about paləts:







That is aggressively ugly.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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That dog is challenging my preconceptions and inspiring greater empathy.

Edit: Although I do believe he could be contemporized by the addition of perforated side-paneling.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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That looks super awkward

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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ChlorophileAddict posted:

and speaking of awful...



I was annoyed by the table breakage until I realized it was really the only appropriate way to post the second largest building in the world, which presumably could house the entire public sector of an east European nation.

Also, I uh, I kind of like that behemoth.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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MikeJF posted:

How do you figure? Admittedly using Wiki as a source, but it's not top ten by volume, footprint or floor area. (It's 330,000 m² floor, 2.55 million m³ volume)

The file name. I retract my previous concession to table breakage :colbert:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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I'm reading that it's the world's largest administrative building for civilian use, which sounds like cheating, and, with over 1,000,000 cubic meters of marble, possibly the world's heaviest building.

Possessing this information is less fulfilling than I'd hoped.

I still want to buy it and create the world's largest and heaviest think tank.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Post-Modernism makes me think everything after 1930 was a mistake.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Urban_Renewal.jpg

In 1909:


In 2012:
Google Street View (Spoiler: Two drive-thru banks and a garish finance outfit)

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Frostwerks posted:

is that grass or water in the first picture. either way, yeah i love this building and have for a while and do you know if any more similar exist

I'm not sure about other buildings, and that's frosted over grass.

You can see it more easily in the big version:





Should highway placement be considered an architectural failure, too?



Downtown Pittsburgh, cordoned off from the waterfront on three sides.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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[London's] ‘Death Ray’ Skyscraper Stands Accused of Blowing People Over



quote:

Already infamous for its curved facade that ignited fires in adjacent buildings and melted nearby cars basking in its reflected sunlight, the Walkie Talkie skyscraper in London is now being blamed for toppling signs, overturning food carts and even knocking passers-by off their feet. Dubbed ‘Walkie Scorchie’ as well as the ‘Death Ray’ during its last public debacle, critics may need a new name for this building more suited to its fresh source of infamy.

...

A worker at a local retail outlet told The Times: “It has only really been windy since the Walkie Talkie has been here. When they were building it and there were the building works going on, it was fine. But ever since they’ve completed it, the wind really picked up.”

...

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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ANAmal.net posted:

That building owns and I love the fact that it's rebelling against its creators by knocking them over and setting their things on fire.

I've read that the architect has the same problem with a building in Vegas which attacks the pool area every day.

Accretionist fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Jul 29, 2015

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Houston in the '80s :stare:





It's better now but still, yeesh:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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MikeJF posted:

I mean, our cities are basically in a perpetual parking crisis. They did deal with it...

This is why you never wish upon the Monkey's Paw :arghfist:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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What I'd like to know is why my downtown has so many drive-thru banks.

And man, looking through historical photos? It's unbelievable how much they tore down for urban renewal. It's like, "Hey, that library is gorgeous and will stand proud for centuries but I saw a homeless man jerking off in the alley behind it once so it's got to go."

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Makes me picture late 19th century greenhouses and also people who think angles are futuristic

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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By the way, if urban renewal's got you down, Troy, NY's downtown kept most of its 19th and mid-20th century architecture intact and is fun to look at in Google maps.

To save you some clicking, this is the historic downtown's footprint:


It's a small city but dang if that comparative lack of drive-thru banks and parking lots isn't nice to see. :smith:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Yaos posted:

What are they going to do when there are only self driving cars and no need for parking spots?

Trees, I hope. The closer cityscape looks to forest, the better.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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I wonder how many small cities have good public transit?

Like, I went to Linuxfest Northwest in Bellingham, WA and their bus coverage is better than most cities'. Next year, I don't think I'll even bring my car.

I'm pretty sure anyone working days or in the downtown could go for weeks in between having to use a car. And if they don't mind bicycling, they probably wouldn't even need one. And it's just a college town of 80K. I wonder how many generally unknown cities with good public transit there are?

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Would idle and cogitate in that wait room irl

Edit: Jesus, that hospital is bringing this thread back to its roots. It's so ugly that I kind of feel angry at it.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Dick Trauma posted:

While I was looking for something appropriate I found this non-architectural image that captures 1978 pretty well.



I'm calling that van architecture and declaring it good

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Yet another unrealistic standard for men:

Accretionist fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 8, 2015

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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quote:

gently caress ART; THIS IS ARCHITECTURE

Paddyb posted:

New thread title plz

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Paddyb posted:

I'm literally shaking right now.



It'll be okay; just look at this:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Plus, you can go over the side which is a little worse than a series of 6" falls

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Gorilla Salad posted:

The house with no railings where guests falls to their deaths is also known as the S-House* is in Chennai, India.

You can visit the website about the house here - and unlike visiting the house itself will be in no danger of falling to your death

Everyone should visit that link and see the house where you fall to your death in its natural habitat - wedged between lovely old Indian buildings, and adjacent to an unpaved dirt road.

This is what it looks like on the outside, because of course it does:




* Not actually short for "shithouse" surprisingly.

This looks like a concept house you're not actually supposed to put anyone in.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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I like the poolside steps leading into a plate glass window with no landing and outward-opening door awkwardly placed right the hell there

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Hey now, his stairs have a railing

Jaramin posted:

I find the idea of a house so blatantly unlivablr you're not supposed to put anyone in just plain ridiculous. It's like art no one is supposed to look at...which I'm sure exists.

It looks less concerned with livability than with showing off novel design features.

Accretionist fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Oct 15, 2015

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Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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red19fire posted:

Cantilever stairs are cool as gently caress, but I wonder if they wear out over time and start to tilt.



I actually really like this.

Also has me wondering how much growing up in a hoarding environment threw me off kilter.

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