Let's Debate the Police and Criminal Justice

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Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

In this thread, let's wrangle about everything related to Law Enforcement, good and bad. :cop:

Be it reforms that are not working, that are working, horrible abuses, good practices, US cops and international cops, whatever pertains to the concept of a "system by which some members of society act in an organized manner to enforce the law by discovering, deterring, rehabilitating or punishing persons who violate the rules and norms governing that society."

:patriot:

While this will surely be mostly about the bad sides of Law Enforcement in the United States, don't let that stop you. Law Enforcement in the US kills more, fires more bullets and loses more officers than any civilized nation in the world, both absolutely and per capita. It offers plenty to talk about. In addition, the sentences in the United States are most draconian when pretty much compared to any other nation in the world. Only western nation to practice regular death penalties and to have life sentences without parole, despite most of the world having a life sentence of where only a small portion of it is spent behind bars. While prison reform is its own thread, Law Enforcement ties directly into it too and thus can't be separated from the discussion. While many are horrified by some of the abuses in Law Enforcement in the US, many more believe everything to be well in their black-white worldview where evil people get what they deserve and good people aren't affected. Reforming the police can be hard if the majority see nothing wrong with it. :patriot:

Here we can also discuss about the amount of force that should be necessary in policing, be it US mag-dumps or EU limb shots :getin:

Or perhaps creating a police force like in the UK where routine officers do not carry nor are they trained to use firearms.
We can talk about the firearms the police use, what boots they use and how horrible some of the acquisitions for small time departments are and how rife with corruption and handshakes they are.
Or we can talk about Amsterdam Police in Netherlands putting up signs telling that people buying drugs should be more careful since a new batch is found dangerous.

Because there are all kinds of goons from nerds to gals, from kiddy twiddlers to federal agents, from farmers to fighter pilots, so do we have Cop Goons. You can ask them questions here in the Ask a Cop Goon thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3710350&perpage=40
Don't try to bring debate and discussion there or you might be met with hostility, drunkenness and lewd behavior. Humor is harsh, but if you have a legit question, odds are you'll get an answer very fast in an informative manner.

I'll start with three good things related to American Law Enforcement.

San Antonio trains officers to handle mental illness calls differently.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...ontent=20140819

quote:

It's almost 4 p.m., and police officers Ernest Stevens and Ned Bandoske have been driving around town in their unmarked black SUV since early this morning. The officers are part of San Antonio's mental health squad � a six-person unit that answers the frequent emergency calls where mental illness may be an issue.

The officers spot a call for help on their laptop from a group home across town.

We had absolutely no training 20 years ago in the police academy on how to deal with mental health disturbances.
- Ernest Stevens, San Antonio police officer
"A male individual put a blanket on fire this morning," Stevens reads from the blotter. "He's arguing ... and is a danger to himself and others. He's off his medications."

A few minutes later, the SUV pulls up in front of the group home. A thin 24-year-old sits on a wooden bench out back, wearing a black hoodie.

FBI Director said publicly things that many americans need to hear. Naturally, he is already a race baiter and a traitor and a supporter of thugs.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/12/politics/police-race-relations-james-comey/

quote:

FBI Director James Comey took on the issue of police and race relations Thursday challenging police to avoid "lazy mental short-cuts" that can lead to bias in the way they treat blacks and other minorities.

While he asked minority communities dealing with issues of high crime to also recognize the inherent dangers officers face in trying to keep them safe, Comey was also critical of the history law enforcement in the country, which he described as "not pretty," but also the racial tensions have plagued American society as a whole.

And in other news, Richmond CA has tried another approach to police reform, helping people prone to crime instead of punishing them, and it seems to be working.

http://richmondpulse.org/in-a-relationship-with-the-richmond-police-department/

quote:

In the past decade, the police department in Richmond, Calif. has undergone a dramatic transformation. Spearheaded by an openly-gay and white chief in charge of policing this largely African American and Latino city, the changes are now bearing fruit, with crime down and trust between officers and the residents they are meant to protect on the rise. As departments nationwide look for ways to improve community ties in the wake of police killings in Ferguson and New York, Richmond stands as a promising template.

Richmond�s police department is undergoing something of a renaissance these days, thanks in part to decades of reform that have moved the department from its longstanding enforcement-driven model to one that focuses more on building trust with the public.

That transformation was thrust into the spotlight in December when an image of Chris Magnus, Richmond�s white, openly gay police chief, went viral, stirring a national response. In the image, Magnus is seen holding a �#BlackLivesMatter� sign while in full uniform at a demonstration against police brutality. The demonstration followed the acquittal of a white police officer in the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

Finally, enjoy police officers from countries where Police Services don't use grooming standards.

Some lighter policing, here is this Lithuanian Police TV series showing a drunk or off-meds American girl threatening Lithunian cops with World War 3. It's loving hilarious.

"Even though the girl asked help from the United Nations, she was escorted to the hospital by regular police officers."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gAFuE0FwQ

Subtitled.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 8, 2015

# ¿ Feb 18, 2015 22:08

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 13:43

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

I'll also reserve the second OP in case I get super enthusiastic about doing somekind of megathread.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2015 00:06

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

He should've punched harder.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2015 03:03

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Aaaaaand:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/18/politics/ferguson-justice-department-lawsuit/index.html

quote:

"The Justice Department is preparing to bring a lawsuit against the Ferguson, Missouri, police department over a pattern of racially discriminatory tactics used by officers, if the police department does not agree to make changes on its own, sources tell CNN.

Attorney General Eric Holder said this week he expects to announce the results of the department's investigation of the shooting death of Michael Brown and a broader probe of the Ferguson Police Department before he leaves office in the coming weeks."

# ¿ Feb 19, 2015 04:02

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/17/us/officer-dashcam-video-excessive-force-lawsuit/index.html

ST Louis cops forget to turn all cameras off:

quote:

A St. Louis man has filed a lawsuit alleging excessive force in a case that involves an officer turning off a dashcam that was recording the man's arrest.

At one point in the video from the dashcam, a female officer can be heard saying: "Hold up, everybody, hold up. We're red right now so if you guys are worried about cameras just wait."

The phrase "we're red right now" indicates that a camera is recording.

A second dashcam continued to record.

Video of the April arrest shows officers stopping a vehicle being driven by Cortez Bufford, whose car roughly matched the description of one possibly involved in an area shooting.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 01:12

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Randbrick posted:

There's something weird going on here. The existence or absence of dash cam video doesn't change the character of this case. If you get four or five cops who'll say that guy had a gun on him, you don't need a video recording. And no shenanigans about the video recording would change the basic features of that prosecution.

Essentially, when the DA says they can't prosecute this absent the dash cam, the DA is telling an overt and obvious lie.

I'm pretty sure the DA is trying to avoid attention to the cops turning off the camera and possibly somekind of monetary compensation for days in jail etc.
He can prosecute it of course, but due to the increased scrutiny other people have in regards to the STL area, he chooses to fight elsewhere.

There is also a Florida cop who decides to first push a man to the ground, then slap his face.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/25/us/florida-ft-lauderdale-broward-county-police-slapping-dragging/index.html

quote:

Video shows the nine-year veteran of the Fort Lauderdale Police Department shoving the 58-year-old man to the ground. The two argue for a few seconds and, after telling the man to "get up" multiple times, Ramirez reaches for Laclair's arm.

Laclair pulls away, and Ramirez slaps the man in the face as he's still sitting on the ground.

"I'm not f***ing around with you. Don't f***ing touch me," Ramirez tells the man before handcuffing him."

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 26, 2015

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 01:24

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

VikingofRock posted:

Chicago cops are running a black site:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

Well then. Everytime I figure it can't get more messed up, some people deliver.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 19:02

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Also let me just leave this video of a French Leg shot to the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_75uR4u5YEs

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 22:20

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Taeke posted:

I'm doing a course on language and power/politics and I have to write a short paper (1500ish words) in which I apply some of the theories I learned (Critical Discourse Analysis and stuff.) I already used the whole Lee Atwater/Southern Strategy thing for a Language and Society course I did last year, otherwise I would do that, but I was thinking of doing a short and simple analysis (it's an elective, after all) on the event a while back with the NY metro worker being assaulted by an off-duty cop which is interesting in light of the change of language used in reports of that event before and after it became clear it was a police officer.

I remember it being talked about how some news agencies changed their stories, first talking about a senseless assault of a government worker by a thug, editing it to an essentially unfortunate incident (for which the transit employee was implicitly to blame.)

I'm really not asking you guys to do my homework for me but I'm (1) not from the US so I'm not all that familiar with US newspapers and (2) not as engaged as I know a lot of you are, so if anyone could link me some articles on this I would really appreciate it. Preferably it would be a (mirror of the) original report and the edited version without too much analysis, because I want to do the analysis myself, but really even a nudge in the right direction would be a big help.

Like I said, I'm not entirely familiar with all the journals and I'm sure some of you have exactly what I need bookmarked or at least know which papers I'm talking about, so it would save me a lot of googling/scouring through archives (if I could even access them) if you could help me out. I really only just need one or two examples of newspapers changing their story after it became apparent it was a cop that did the assault.

Thanks in advance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/thug-attacks-female-mta-employee-bronx-cops-article-1.2061700

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/04/heres-how-differently-the-media-covers-an-assault-before-and-after-learning-it-was-done-by-a-cop/

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Feb 27, 2015

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 02:05

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

I got a really long monologue from a prosecutor who was fairly surprised that I did not want excessive harm to my stabber. Since I was on-duty and was attacked, the prosecution was fairly harsh and aggressive. I ended up being requested by the defence attorney and I gave a short speech about leniency and forgiving, especially for someone I view to be my patient and thus a person of special connection as a Firefighter.

I sure as gently caress wasn't going to give that lovely prepared tirade on behalf of tve prosecution. "Hero blabla duty blabla honor blurhhh valor blurgghhh heroism bleegghhh life and death blooogghh every day"

It was funny though to see the faces of many people. Many of them are so oriented to their draconian world views. I just fail to see how a deranged and mentally ill man drugged out of his mind who stabs a firefighter benefits from being thrown into jail for something so severe as attempted murder. loving retarded.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 23:59

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

We had a cop with us. Cop was an old guy and helped to restrain him, and calmed the ill guy down with soft speech when other firefighters were attending to him since also had self-inflicted knife wounds in his body. The stabber who was laying next to me was writhing in pain groaned and I asked him if it hurt really bad and told me "you tell me". He also said he's sorry so I told him "we cool". The scene was pretty comical to be honest.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Mar 3, 2015

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 01:00

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

This dude had a hissy fit about being equal with the common man.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-31709454

quote:

"A Finnish man has been handed a whopping 54,000-euro [60,357$] fine for speeding, it's reported.

Finland's speeding fines are linked to income, with penalties calculated on daily earnings, meaning high earners get hit with bigger penalties for breaking the law. So, when businessman Reima Kuisla was caught doing 103km/h (64mph) in an area where the speed limit is 80km/h (50mph), authorities turned to his 2013 tax return, the Iltalehti newspaper reports. He earned 6.5m euros (�4.72m) that year, so was told to hand over 54,000 euros. The scale of the fine hasn't gone down well with Mr Kuisla. "Ten years ago I wouldn't have believed that I would seriously consider moving abroad," he says on his Facebook page. "Finland is impossible to live in for certain kinds of people who have high incomes and wealth.""

Best part, on the Finnish news site, was the top comment. Loosely translated:

A great philosopher posted:

"Suck that social democracy you whiny fatty"

Every fine assigned for an individual is assigned in values of "days". They are called "day fines" and roughly meant "days spent in jail" 100 years ago and now they may "days of lost salary".

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 3, 2015

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 23:31

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Wisconsin cop kills a teen

Wisconsin cop kills teen; protests follow
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/us/wisconsin-protests/index.html

There are protests but info is still scarce.

# ¿ Mar 7, 2015 19:01

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

A cop stops another cop form being too rough on the suspect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNfUDQkRPQ

# ¿ Mar 8, 2015 02:40

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Space Whale posted:

Has there been any studies, or even attempts (and record of their success) regarding reforming police departments to minimize or eliminate unnecessary use of force, abuses, selective enforcement, open racism, or the like? It's clearly a problem but I've never seen much done about fixing it except "Fire everyone" and "Feds take over."

But what do the feds do? What do the new cops do? How do you pick new cops instead of just getting the same random ones you had before?

Also, has there been any new research on how to productively prevent and stop abuse, be it child abuse, spousal abuse, or any sort of Domestic Violence?

Due to the nature of the United States, a lot of the police reform would have to come from the state level. Police training is state-level and most police academies are directly ran by states. Besides that, peace officers standards are also state-based.
Besides that, breaking the white privilege and old money political connections, like in many american institutions, helps. Especially on smaller level and smaller departments.

From the OP:

San Antonio trains officers to handle mental illness calls differently.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...ontent=20140819

quote:

It's almost 4 p.m., and police officers Ernest Stevens and Ned Bandoske have been driving around town in their unmarked black SUV since early this morning. The officers are part of San Antonio's mental health squad � a six-person unit that answers the frequent emergency calls where mental illness may be an issue.

The officers spot a call for help on their laptop from a group home across town.

We had absolutely no training 20 years ago in the police academy on how to deal with mental health disturbances.
- Ernest Stevens, San Antonio police officer
"A male individual put a blanket on fire this morning," Stevens reads from the blotter. "He's arguing ... and is a danger to himself and others. He's off his medications."

A few minutes later, the SUV pulls up in front of the group home. A thin 24-year-old sits on a wooden bench out back, wearing a black hoodie.

quote:

In the past decade, the police department in Richmond, Calif. has undergone a dramatic transformation. Spearheaded by an openly-gay and white chief in charge of policing this largely African American and Latino city, the changes are now bearing fruit, with crime down and trust between officers and the residents they are meant to protect on the rise. As departments nationwide look for ways to improve community ties in the wake of police killings in Ferguson and New York, Richmond stands as a promising template.

Richmond�s police department is undergoing something of a renaissance these days, thanks in part to decades of reform that have moved the department from its longstanding enforcement-driven model to one that focuses more on building trust with the public.

That transformation was thrust into the spotlight in December when an image of Chris Magnus, Richmond�s white, openly gay police chief, went viral, stirring a national response. In the image, Magnus is seen holding a �#BlackLivesMatter� sign while in full uniform at a demonstration against police brutality. The demonstration followed the acquittal of a white police officer in the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Mar 8, 2015

# ¿ Mar 8, 2015 02:56

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-dekalb-count/nkRZh/

quote:

The GBI, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, was called in to investigate whether a DeKalb police officer acted properly when he fatally shot an unarmed man, who appeared to be mentally ill Monday, said Cedric Alexander, director of the county public safety department.

Here's what interesting on what the Director of County Public Safety said:

quote:

He said the decision to call in the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was in step with a national move toward having independent agencies investigate officer-involved shootings.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2015 03:01

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

So cops went full retard in Cleveland a while back.

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2015/03/13/michael-brelo-cleveland-police-court/70260726/

quote:

Michael Brelo, the Cleveland police officer facing the most serious charges in connection to the deadly police chase of November 2012, was back in court Friday.

During the court hearing, both sides discussed upcoming dates and proceedings regarding the slated April 6 trial date.

Brelo's attorneys are asking the court to dismiss the charges because he thought his life was in danger when he jumped on the hood of the car and fired rounds into the windshield. Therefore, they argue the shots were fired lawfully.

Brelo, 30, is charged with aggravated manslaughter, accused of firing the last 15 rounds into the vehicle of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams after the vehicle had stopped following the chase.

Both victims died as a result of the 137 shots that police fired.

Five other officers have been indicted for their connection to the chase.

He must've been really scared so that he had to run towards the car and hop onto its windshield.

But then, for the lulz.

quote:

Former SEPTA Transit Police officer who was videotaped masturbating on a Broad Street Line train was convicted Thursday of open lewdness and indecent exposure.

Kevin Fant, 44, worked for SEPTA and was off duty, dressed in a gray hoodie sweatshirt, black biker shorts and black sneakers, when someone videotaped him jerking off.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-pa-masturbating-septa-cop-convicted-20150313-story.html

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Mar 14, 2015

# ¿ Mar 14, 2015 00:50

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

DC police are pretty diverse.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 14:05

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Is there somekind of "buckle up" smiley on SA or perhaps a good GIF?

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 21:54

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

marmaduke1979 posted:

They do under British law. I cannot speak for an American jurisdiction. But here in the UK at least, if you are in genuine fear that you will suffer serious injury then
you could potentially use a level of force that the officers have in the video.

Every police officer in every country can use force to protect himself or others against reasonable threats with reasonable force.

It's the "reasonable" here in the US that is so widely different from other countries.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2015 22:09

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

semper wifi posted:

How many times do you think the cops should have let themselves be stabbed before they responded? 3? 4?

I like this binary world where it is only to kill or be killed.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2015 23:13

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

They had to choke him, otherwise Garner would've choked all those cops.

#ItsMeOrYou

# ¿ Mar 18, 2015 23:25

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Look at this dude who should've been shot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 00:22

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

How are u posted:

What bothers me most about these murderous, trigger-happy cops is that they're not loving doing their jobs. They are paid to put their life on the line, which they are unwilling to do. They're not getting paid to murder mentally ill people, they're getting paid (and big fat loving pensions and benefits) to risk their loving lives for us.

Those cops should absolutely have tried to talk that guy down or disarm him physically. They chose the cowards way out, the unprofessional, short-sighted, bully's solution. They're loving cowards more afraid of a black man than upholding their duty. Being a police officer is not something you are forced or conscripted to do. You volunteer to take that job, and part of that is volunteering to risk personal injury or death in order make society safe.

Cops these days do not risk their lives. They shoot first because they're racist cowards. If they're too afraid of getting hurt to disable a mentally ill man in a non-lethal manner then they shouldn't be loving cops to begin with.

I'd rather see cops get stabbed by screwdrivers every day than murder innocent people, and you should too. It's our loving tax dollars going to pay these psychopaths.

Besides basically The Secret Service, no job will nor should require you to put your life on the line in the United States. If going to the beat would be "putting your life on the line", it wouldn't be done.

Policing in America is a safe profession, and by asking them to "put their life on the line" is just feeding into the retarded hero worship.

The whole issue here is that the cops weren't in any great danger, yet killed that man.

No one is gonna mind public workers defending themselves reasonably from reasonable threats. It's just that often there are no reasonable threats nor reasonable measures.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 10:42

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Toasticle posted:

Firemen? Miners? Oil Rigs? Construction? High voltage line workers? Hell I think crab fisherman is the #1 most dangerous job in the US and that's just so people can eat crab meat, cops are not even in the top ten. Or maybe firemen should start thinking like cops. "Yeah that's a really big fire, someone might die trying to save the people inside. Oh well".

Except most good departments don't take hail mary passes with big fires. Fully involves and "maybe someone inside? gently caress it".

Firefighter's life during firefighting is valued higher than the people needing rescue. I've seem people stand still near swift water emergencies and see dudes get washed away because it's too dangerous for the firefighters to get into the water. The people needing rescue or help are already in danger. The cop car/firetruck is not a ferry that's used to bring more people into the danger, but instead to try to help the situation.

So firemen already think like that. Sorry to ruin your image but public workers are not there to be traded to other lives and by asking something like that you give false credibility to the cops who kill for no loving reason. You do realize that "holy poo poo that roof is on fire, not getting on it" is a thing that firefighters say to their supervisors all the time?

The job is not that dangerous, it doesn't require an itchy trigger finger. Keep saying that their life is on the line and you are now part of the problem. Hth.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 19, 2015

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 20:43

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Toasticle posted:

Nice selective response. You said

All the other jobs you somehow missed carry the risk of a sometimes gruesome death so people can have electricity and oil and eat king crab legs and not die in a house fire. Yes there are situations where its too risky for a firefighter. But they drat well risk their lives regularly if they believe they can save someones life and not die but still understand they are risking their own life in the process and somehow are willing to do it but for a cop a screwdriver is just too frightening.

Literally every occupation has occupational hazards. It doesn't mean that by doing those jobs you "put your life on the line". They also practically never put your life on the line despite the popular image.
I was way more likely to kill myself in the traffic while driving a car to the fire station than I was to kill myself doing anything worthwhile at the fire station.
There are gruesome deaths in woodworking, milling, construction, food and beverage, airline piloting and poo poo. Yet the airline pilot doesn't "put his life on the line". Why? Because the occupational hazard is so retardedly low that it might as well not exist. It doesn't mean that we don't take precautions like every occupation does, but that only serves to make it even safer.

Toasticle posted:

But they drat well risk their lives regularly if they believe they can save someones life and not die but still understand they are risking their own life in the process

We are not doing that, hth.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 21:33

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

All those old and new videos of some firefighter getting wasted, maimed or torn or whatever doing whatever are used in training on examples of what not to do and what should be avoided.

What Cory Booker did was brave, but not something you should do and sure as gently caress firefighters shouldn't go inside houses without breathing apparatuses and protective gear.
Your image of firefighting is a romantic view infused with TV and Youtube, plus a good deal of hero worship. I don't even know completely how to answer or correct your view on this one. It's just nothing like that.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Mar 19, 2015

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 22:03

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Most firefighter deaths are from traffic accidents and not wearing a seatbelt or Myocardial infarctions caused by poor fitness and bad lifestyles.
Dying because of something related to the structure fire is super rare.

Also most firefighters handle medical calls in the United States, putting them in contact with the violent and mentally ill.

A poo poo ton of policing is made safer in the long term with regards to injury and long-term inability to work by getting these:

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 19, 2015

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 22:14

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Last station I worked at had, for its number one Engine, 3555 calls for service in the previous year, with 3244 being medical response.

#rekt

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 22:32

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Most local IAFF chapters are basically ways to funnel money for a couple good old boys.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2015 22:36

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Except the medical deaths of Firefighting and Law Enforcement that we are laughing at here are not things like cancer related to firefighting, or severe back injuries caused by duty belt, but heart attacks at a young age caused by poor fitness and bad eating habits in not-extreme activities, like a fat firefighter collapsing after a flight of stairs, or a cop collapsing on a yearly mandated fitness run. That's not a hazard of the job anymore than walking to your car is. Separating those both statistically and rhetorically from "stabbed in the neck"-type deaths or "run over by a fleeing perp" is very important.

Yet an another mainly american thing. Being a fat gently caress is so accepted and common that a fat gently caress dying of being a fat gently caress is a tragedy and a hazard of the jobs requiring things such as: walking, kneeling, running, standing

For clarification, hazards caused by and inherent to policing:

-Violence by others
-Equipment related to the job causing disabilities
-Excessive driving upping hazard of being in traffic
-Mental illness from trauma and stress

List goes on, but on the side of hazards NOT caused by and inherent to policing:

-Being fat
-Eating like poo poo
-Not exercising

Glad to be of help in sorting this out for you.
I'll help you more:

Death caused by medical issues related to the job:

quote:

"Deputy Chief Steven Bonano died from blood cancer he contracted after inhaling toxic materials as he participated in the rescue and recovery efforts at the World Trade Center site following the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001."

Death NOT caused by medical issues related to the job:

quote:

"Assistant Chief Carl Borderlon suffered a fatal heart attack inside of the police department's headquarters building during the early morning hours after having changed a flat tire on his patrol car.

He was working the overnight shift when the flat occurred in front of the station. He went into the station after changing the tire and collapsed. His body was found at approximately 8:00 am."

Another death NOT caused by medical issues related to the job:

quote:

"Lieutenant Scott Travis suffered a fatal heart attack while clearing snow from the walkways in front of the Bullitt County Detention Center during a heavy snowstorm."

The bottom two were people of bad health and life styles succumbing to those things who just happened to work as police officers.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Mar 20, 2015

# ¿ Mar 20, 2015 21:32

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

http://abc27.com/2015/03/24/hummelstown-police-officer-charged-with-homicide/

quote:

HUMMELSTOWN, Pa. (WHTM) � A Hummelstown police officer has been charged with criminal homicide in the fatal shooting of a South Hanover Township man last month.

Dauphin County District Attorney Ed Marsico said following a state police investigation, he concluded 36-year-old Lisa Mearkle was not justified in using deadly force when she shot 59-year-old David Kassick.

�When police officers break the law, we will charge them accordingly,� Marsico said at a news conference Tuesday.

Mearkle on Feb. 2 had attempted to stop Kassick for an expired inspection sticker, but Kassick drove to his sister�s home in the 100 block of Grandview Avenue and fled on foot. Mearkle chased him behind the house and used her stun gun, striking Kassick in the back with the probes, Marsico said.

Kassick fell to the snow-covered ground and was lying face down when Mearkle ordered him to show his hands. She continued to use the stun gun while Kassick was on the ground, then shot him twice in the back.

The district attorney said Kassick did not have a gun and never brandished anything that could have been viewed as a potential weapon. He said the only item recovered near Kassick was a syringe.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2015 01:17

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Condiv posted:

you would think being tazed as part of their tazer training would make this clear, but obviously not. maybe cops should be tazed, then yelled at to do a pushup and tazed again when they fail to comply to get it through their skulls

There are plenty of places where you get maced and tazered and then you have to fight against others, obey orders and hop through obstacles.

It usually doesn't go well.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2015 12:36

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Chief of police is appointed and has often nothing to do with the organizational promoting.

Someone can be appointed chief for a dept who has never worked there before and vice versa, you don't often promote to chief at all, just topping out at LT or Captain or whatever is highest.

Chief, deputy chief and commissioners, various departmental Chiefs and what have you are political appointments. In other words, the top brass often didn't ride there through ranks.

Just like head of DoJ has never been a federal agent.

In this case, blemishes will block his promotions through regular pay grades (from Lt. to Capt), but have gently caress all to do with political appointing. (Chief)

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Apr 2, 2015

# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 10:38

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

New Ask a Goon Cop thread:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3710350&perpage=40

# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 18:42

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Don't trash it please. Let pigs trash their own pen, plz tia.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 01:15

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

quote:

The counseling Trooper Spears received involved his saying no when people ask to have their pictures taken with him

Oh come the gently caress ooooooon Texas.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 08:55

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

What about Martha Stewart? Or Rush Limbaugh?

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 10:00

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Neither did Snoop Dogg. His Bodyguard eventually got acquitted based on self defence, but even if he didn't the felony murder rule of Snoop Dogg being "guilty of murder" because he drove the car is a loving travesty of justice anyway.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 10:38

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 13:43

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

So far SLED in South Carolina has been pretty spot on, even arrestin the Sheriff of of Charleston County and him getting a conviction on slapping a handcuffed dude.
I am fairly confident that this cop will not get out scot free. He was arrested and booked into the county jail on a murder charge, too. And is there right now.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 23:01

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