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Ytlaya posted:I've been reading this and it's pretty good and entertaining, but I absolutely can't stand Kitty Pryde. She's like some nerd's idealized "quirky girl" character; sort of like the "personality" version of a girl in a comic wearing a thong and having a boob window. I have trouble coming up with specific examples, but I feel like I've seen her exact same character type and personality show up in countless other "white teen/20-something girl" characters across many different media aimed at nerdy types. Is this some Joss Whedon thing? Every scene she's in is just so poorly written that it's difficult to read, and unfortunately it seems like she gets a bunch of narrative focus from the writer(s). You pretty much hit the nail in the head there. EDIT: Just to explain a bit further, Whedon's female characters were always influenced by Kitty Pryde, so when it came around to him actually writing her himself, you get an even more idealized version of that. Allarion fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Ytlaya posted:I have trouble coming up with specific examples, but I feel like I've seen her exact same character type and personality show up in countless other "white teen/20-something girl" characters across many different media aimed at nerdy types. If you do think of specific examples, consider when they were created. I'm willing to bet they were well after Kitty Pryde. I was once discussing movies with a friend of mine who had recently seen Casablanca for the first time. Rather than seeing the movie as the groundbreaking, trendsetting film that it was, he thought that it was full of cliches and rehashed material that so many other movies had covered. This was because he was kind of ignorant and didn't realize that all these other movies he'd seen had cribbed their material from Casablanca. By the same token, Kitty Pryde is a character who first appeared in 1980, during the last days of disco. Many modern content creators grew up reading X-Men comics during this time, and their work reflected the stories they enjoyed growing up. No, she wasn't the only plucky female character in comics at the time, but she was certainly one of the most popular. The X-Men were one of the best selling titles of the 1980s. Joss Whedon has said several times that she was the inspiration for many of his strong female characters. Writing her in Astonishing X-Men was a pretty big deal for him, and he included a number of callbacks to her earlier appearances.
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Mar 6, 2015 06:58
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I take it that's why they used her as the audience relational character in X-Men: Evolution as well?
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Ytlaya posted:Basically what I'm saying is that Kitty Pryde is the Western version of "moe". Japan seems to think otherwise! 
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Mar 6, 2015 22:47
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Jubilee was also one of Kitty Pryde's many pseudo-replacements, at least in regards to the surrogate father-daughter relationship they had with Wolverine and being the young member of the team. All I know is that Kitty Pryde is a phaser who is also a super-hacker, a ninja, and has a pet dragon, so she's a pretty idealized geek-girl, if not one of the first.
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Ytlaya posted:I've been reading this and it's pretty good and entertaining, but I absolutely can't stand Kitty Pryde. She's like some nerd's idealized "quirky girl" character; sort of like the "personality" version of a girl in a comic wearing a thong and having a boob window. I have trouble coming up with specific examples, but I feel like I've seen her exact same character type and personality show up in countless other "white teen/20-something girl" characters across many different media aimed at nerdy types. Is this some Joss Whedon thing? Every scene she's in is just so poorly written that it's difficult to read, and unfortunately it seems like she gets a bunch of narrative focus from the writer(s). Yes congratulations, you have discovered the Manic Pixie Dream Girl, AKA the Western Tsundere
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its already been said but seriously guys, Saga.  Its a very very good story set around a war torn planet and its moon and is about star crossed lovers from two warring factions and the family they make. Weird weird family. It also features Lying Cat. Hes pretty much the worst character, and he will back me up on that fact.  You heard him. FiftySeven fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 01:15
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Saga is super loving good.
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Mar 7, 2015 02:29
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Yes it is.
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Mar 7, 2015 02:31
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Saga is amazing. Ever since it got back from hiatus it's been even more on loving fire then ever before. If you only read one western comic book in your life, it should be Saga.
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To once again pimp Saga this is a scene from issue #14. This is a spoiler but not a huge spoiler. To set the scene Sophie is a 6 year old sex slave from the planet Sextillion. The Will (a mercenary) was on vacation to Sextillion when he saw this child prostitute who was sold into slavery by her dad IIRC. She was rescued by The Will and Lying Cat and in this scene they are on a planet taking a break.  This is just an example of how amazingly poignant this comic is. SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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SalTheBard posted:To once again pimp Saga this is a scene from issue #14. This is a spoiler but not a huge spoiler. that sounds terrible
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Mar 7, 2015 04:40
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you should be ashamed
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Mar 7, 2015 04:41
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Hey guys, this is the cool thread for quality comics, check out this wicked scene of a 6 year old talking about how they were sexually abused, epic. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 7, 2015 04:42
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it's a seriously good series about serious things, not all of which are pleasant hth
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Mar 7, 2015 04:51
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Transformers vs G.I. Joe  http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-G-I-Joe-Volume-Scioli/dp/1631401904 Transformers vs G.I. Joe is one of my favorite comics of 2014. It starts with the final battle between G.I. Joe and Cobra and gets crazier from there. Each page is like a miniature story of it's own, all done in Tom Scioli's signature cargo cult Kirby style. Whether it's a battle at the smelting pits of Cybertron or Bazooka tripping on giant robot weed, TvGIJoe is entertaining as hell.
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a kitten posted:it's a seriously good series about serious things, not all of which are pleasant Thats why I love Saga. I definitely understand how you could have reservations. It's an incredibly touching scene as it's the point Sophie realizes she's going to be more than a child slave.
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a kitten posted:it's a seriously good series about serious things, not all of which are pleasant I understand if you are super into the child sex slave comic, but you can't make me.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:17
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Sharko, you gave me Gundam answers that were probably right, but you're wrong about this.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:Sharko, you gave me Gundam answers that were probably right, but you're wrong about this. I'm mostly just making fun of choosing the child sex slave scene as the lead in to why you should read the comic, I'm sure it's a nice comic with a lot of good but now I'll never read it because to me, it is the child sex slave comic.
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Mar 7, 2015 05:30
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Yeah she was the victim of horrific abuse but how can you not find the posted scene heartwarming? It's all about her putting the bad stuff behind her and being rescued from that life.
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Hmm, yeah, it's probably not the best scene to hook a newcomer. Read it anyways! e: read it for Prince Robot IV, whose head plays porn when he's injured  
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WickedHate posted:Yeah she was the victim of horrific abuse but how can you not find the posted scene heartwarming? It's all about her putting the bad stuff behind her and being rescued from that life. Few people want to read about child molestation, and fewer for reasons that aren't utterly disgusting. Leading off with it as a reason to read a comic is a bad idea.
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Mar 7, 2015 07:06
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I'm surprised no one has brought up The Sandman yet, its really good and still holds up even though the ending is boring because Neil Gaiman is not good at writing endings. Has my favorite version of Death and my favorite story of a character that just decides to become immortal when given the chance. Oh and there is a story about Emperor Norton II which is great. I'm bad at doing write ups for series, can someone do one for The Sandman?
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 We3 is a three-issue comic about a dog, a cat, and a rabbit who were turned into robotic killing machines as part of a military experiment. They have escaped from a military facility, and their human handlers are determined to track them down and decommission them forcibly. It is a bit like The Incredible Journey, except with cyborg animals and a lot more bloodshed. It's a solid story -- I think that it's worth reading on plot alone, especially if you're a sucker for touching animal stories. It also plays around with paneling and layouts in a way that I haven't seen very often in manga outside of Shintaro Kago's work, and uses the medium to its fullest. A page from the escape sequence. I love the use of square uniform panels to evoke the screens of closed-circuit televisions, and how the pages look like video walls -- the use of colours (blue light/red light) also helps to distinguish one location from another when the panels are so tight.  Here is a spread of the cat unit taking down its pursuers. Long thin panels in comics usually depict fragments of time, but look at the extent that We3 has taken it to. The cat's so fast that it's leaping through the panels!  We3's a rewarding read if you're just going by plot alone, and also a good example of what comic books are visually capable of. It's also a short read - three issues long and self-contained. Give it a shot. It's available on Amazon here. Thirty-Five Minutes fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Effectronica posted:Few people want to read about child molestation, and fewer for reasons that aren't utterly disgusting. Leading off with it as a reason to read a comic is a bad idea. You're right. Child molestation is awful. [sarcasm]Let's combat it by pretending it doesn't exist and never discussing it again.[/sarcasm]
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Thirty-Five Minutes posted:
I think we3 gets a bit overlauded but the cat multipanel thing and a few other page layouts done to show how fast the animals move is some of the coolest work done with that stuff in comics.
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Lunatic Pathos posted:You're right. Child molestation is awful. [sarcasm]Let's combat it by pretending it doesn't exist and never discussing it again.[/sarcasm] I agree. Let's start the lolicon discussion thread!!! Booyakasha!! e: attention mods this post was ironic and a joke i do not lust for underage anime girls no matter how sluttily they dress. Plutonis fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Lunatic Pathos posted:You're right. Child molestation is awful. [sarcasm]Let's combat it by pretending it doesn't exist and never discussing it again.[/sarcasm] The point is that it's a probably a really bad thing to use when you're making a suggestion to someone.
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Like 'A Cruel God Reigns' is a good manga but I wouldn't recommend a story about a guy getting molested by his stepfather until he snaps and kills him but accidentally kills his mother too and then his life gets even worse to someone as the first thing they try.
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I am going to assume there are a lot of compelling reasons to read Saga since I have heard a fair share of good things about it from people I trust, but that page is really bad without any context behind it.
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Srice posted:I am going to assume there are a lot of compelling reasons to read Saga since I have heard a fair share of good things about it from people I trust, but that page is really bad without any context behind it. They gave context though. I get like, "Oh, I don't want to read stuff with rape in it because that bothers me a lot" or "it's just a gross subject I wish not to see in the stuff I read", but there's nothing in that page to make the comic seem bad.
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Yeah, that scene is payoff from like two or three years of build up. I don't think it comes across well out of the blue. And to be honest I was kind of apprehensive when Sophie was first introduced, because I thought there was a good chance for it to be mishandled. It wasn't though, and Saga owns and you should read it.
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As any typical fan of anime I find child molestation gets a bum rap
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Sharkopath posted:I think we3 gets a bit overlauded but the cat multipanel thing and a few other page layouts done to show how fast the animals move is some of the coolest work done with that stuff in comics. Yeah, I really love the layouts, especially the spreads with the tiny shattered panels. (Also the fact that it stars animals neatly sidesteps some of my issues with Frank Quitely's drawing of human faces.) Do you have any other recommendations for innovative panelling on the comics front, especially when it works in service of the narrative? I liked some of the panel layouts by Williams on Batwoman, but some of the fighty spreads seemed more aesthetically-pleasing than anything -- they didn't enhance the narrative much and were actually kind of visually confusing.
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Brian K Vaughan is a boring rear end writer. His books are boring. He bores me. You know what's a good rear end comic? ROM: SPACEKNIGHT.
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Literally The Worst posted:Brian K Vaughan is a boring rear end writer. His books are boring. He bores me. gently caress you and your garbage opinions. Someone do a Y the Last Man post or if not I'll get around to it in a couple of days.
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why is this BSS thread here anyway.... mod, please gas?
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:why is this BSS thread here anyway.... mod, please gas? Gas...your account! Ha ha!
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Thirty-Five Minutes posted:Yeah, I really love the layouts, especially the spreads with the tiny shattered panels. (Also the fact that it stars animals neatly sidesteps some of my issues with Frank Quitely's drawing of human faces.) The Zatanna sections of Seven Soldiers have a bunch but it's superhero as gently caress and so probably not appropriate for this thread. Also Pax Americana, but the same applies. Both are some of the best stuff DC has put out in years though.
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