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Sep 26, 2016 04:01
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BlackMK4 posted:PJ Jacobson to Moto2 next year i hope he does well.
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Sep 26, 2016 06:54
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Moto2 is where outside rider's careers go to die. If you come from outside the GP paddock and don't go straight to MotoGP you aren't doing much.
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Sep 26, 2016 07:23
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nsaP posted:Moto2 is where outside rider's careers go to die. If you come from outside the GP paddock and don't go straight to MotoGP you aren't doing much. And if you come from outside the GP paddock and go straight to MotoGP you end up fizzling out on an LCR honda or some similar poo poo and end up not doing much. With a small number of notable exceptions.
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Sep 26, 2016 07:58
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nsaP posted:Moto2 is where outside rider's careers go to die. If you come from outside the GP paddock and don't go straight to MotoGP you aren't doing much. I disagree, the problem is that none of the riders that have entered in at moto2 have been good enough to progress. If Crutchlow and Smith weren't already in GP, I think there would be a good chance Lowes would be getting tapped for a ride due to needing a Brit on the grid. I have not been following moto2 that closely, but with KTM entering and Suter returning there is a chance there will be more good rides available. I swear I also heard that the Leopard team is going to SpeedUp next year. The story I've always heard is that production bike riders really struggle with bike setup on the Moto3/2/GP machines. There is just so much more to mess with on the bikes that it can overwhelm them.
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Sep 26, 2016 17:45
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n8r posted:I disagree, the problem is that none of the riders that have entered in at moto2 have been good enough to progress. If Crutchlow and Smith weren't already in GP, I think there would be a good chance Lowes would be getting tapped for a ride due to needing a Brit on the grid. I have not been following moto2 that closely, but with KTM entering and Suter returning there is a chance there will be more good rides available. I swear I also heard that the Leopard team is going to SpeedUp next year. Lowes is going on an aprilia next year 
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Sep 26, 2016 19:08
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Slavvy posted:And if you come from outside the GP paddock and go straight to MotoGP you end up fizzling out on an LCR honda or some similar poo poo and end up not doing much. Still race wins.
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Sep 27, 2016 07:10
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Supersport 300 will now be a thing. Hopefully this means we'll get more hardcore 300's making it to the market.
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Sep 28, 2016 06:16
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Slavvy posted:Supersport 300 will now be a thing. I just came here to post this. Now WSBK is about the same as MotoGP with three classes. Though I wonder what they are going to do with the European Junior Cup. Those Honda CBR650s were entertaining. Will the Ninja 300 and Yamaha R3 get a better/updated suspension package? https://gallery.mailchimp.com/828d05dc5f4c88573aeb98365/files/2017_Part_2.7_WorldSSP_300_provisional_technical_rules.pdf Honda CBR500R Kawasaki Ninja 300 (EX300ADF) Yamaha YZF-R3 KTM RC390 Why the hell does Honda get to run the 500? They've got a freakin' cbr300r. Skreemer fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 09:11
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Because Honda production based bikes are always poo poo?
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Sep 28, 2016 12:37
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There's a weight penalty.
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Sep 28, 2016 12:45
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Shimrod posted:There's a weight penalty. And a lower rev limit for the 500 and 390 as well. Everything about the engine has to stay 100% standard so I'm not sure how it'll all work.
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Sep 28, 2016 18:56
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It's 10+ more hp but the 500 is kind of a pig compared to the others.
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Sep 28, 2016 19:14
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The rules seem like they incentivise better suspension and frame design on the manufacturer's part because the engines are super restricted but the suspension just has to have the same outer dimensions as the factory stuff. So maybe small-but-not-poo poo bikes will make a comeback in a big way?
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Sep 28, 2016 19:26
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That would fuckin rule. Maybe that's why Honda made the cbr250rr?
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Sep 28, 2016 19:30
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PaintVagrant posted:That would fuckin rule. Maybe that's why Honda made the cbr250rr? No, it's why they made the CBR300RR 
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Sep 28, 2016 19:38
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Slavvy posted:No, it's why they made the CBR300RR Yeah that thing
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Sep 28, 2016 19:58
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Slavvy posted:Lowes is going on an aprilia next year Eh well I guess Aprilia thinks the UK is an important market.
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Sep 28, 2016 22:11
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n8r posted:Eh well I guess Aprilia thinks the UK is an important market. Aprilia have nothing to do with it, he's locked in a contract with gresini and basically lucked into a factory bike, hence his hilarious performance in Moto2 being irrelevant.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:43
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The BSB showdown and the last couple rounds are so good. Both Assen races were amazing!
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Oct 10, 2016 14:19
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Great Japanese qually.
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Oct 15, 2016 18:05
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PaintVagrant posted:The BSB showdown and the last couple rounds are so good. Both Assen races were amazing! The second one was amazing, easily the best race I've seen this year in any class.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:15
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It's Nippon so Moto3 is starting in 15 minutes, come join #bieks if you wanna chat about dudes going fast on motorbikes
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Oct 16, 2016 02:46
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What a mother loving MotoGP race. Wow.
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Oct 16, 2016 07:10
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dema posted:What a mother loving MotoGP race. Wow. I thought all 3 races were pretty tame 
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Oct 16, 2016 07:17
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i didn't want marquez to win the championship so it was bad
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Oct 16, 2016 07:19
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There he is.
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Oct 16, 2016 07:21
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Was Rossi super popular even back when he had only won a couple MotoGP championships?
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Oct 16, 2016 20:17
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hayden. posted:Was Rossi super popular even back when he had only won a couple MotoGP championships? The 2001 season when he won his first might be the most iconic season in MotoGP history for his rivalry with Biaggi.  He was a star from day 1.
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Oct 16, 2016 21:41
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hayden. posted:Was Rossi super popular even back when he had only won a couple MotoGP championships? Yes, him going to Yamaha after leaving Honda was considered a shocking career breaking move seeing as he was the best rider on the best bike and biaggi had spent so long saying the bike was poo poo et al that even Yamaha agreed their bike was terrible (it wasn't). Then he won the first race of the season on it. This experience probably informed his move to ducati which turned out to be a totally different kettle of fish.
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Oct 16, 2016 22:13
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 Too bad he crashed out last weekend or the second this weekend would have been more exciting. Where's crutchlow going next year? Two wins, one in the dry, is pretty good.
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Oct 26, 2016 19:29
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He's staying where he is but I imagine the bleating for more factory poo poo, and honda's indifference to said bleating, will intensify.
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Oct 26, 2016 19:36
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Slavvy posted:He's staying where he is but I imagine the bleating for more factory poo poo, and honda's indifference to said bleating, will intensify. He pretty much said the only physical difference between his bike and Danis is the paint job when he was explaining why he didn't jump on the factory honda last weekend. The big difference is in the amount and quality of engineering support between HRC bikes and LCR bikes.
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Oct 26, 2016 19:38
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I wonder if the factory level of tech support matters as much these days with the 'simpler' traction control. I've always been a bit of a Cal hater, he's definitely proving me wrong. I wonder if Cal can overtake Dani for p5 in the championship this year. I think Cal could easily finish in the top 5 next year if his form continues.
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Oct 27, 2016 19:17
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n8r posted:I wonder if the factory level of tech support matters as much these days with the 'simpler' traction control. I've always been a bit of a Cal hater, he's definitely proving me wrong. I wonder if Cal can overtake Dani for p5 in the championship this year. I think Cal could easily finish in the top 5 next year if his form continues. it's the number of technicians and size of the team that matters the most. Satellite teams get one suspension guy, one data guy etc that the riders have to share (so cal is kind of lucky in that sense). Factory guys get a full team of dudes just for their own self. Plus the fact that honda have a habit of making mechanical improvements to their bike and not passing it on to the satellites straight away for bullshit corporate reasons that make no sense anymore.
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Oct 27, 2016 19:28
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Slavvy posted:it's the number of technicians and size of the team that matters the most. Satellite teams get one suspension guy, one data guy etc that the riders have to share (so cal is kind of lucky in that sense). Factory guys get a full team of dudes just for their own self. Except that per Echomadman Cal is riding Dani's bike - who knows about Marc. Honda has had split development for riders in the past, so even if Cal was in HRC he wouldn't necessarily have the same bike as Marc. See 2006 Hayden/Pedrosa - it was public knowledge that Nicky was on a development/experimental bike because Dani really was the #1 rider. Unless you have read/heard about the specific level of support Cal is getting, who knows exactly what number of techs/support he is getting from HRC. It has been said in multiple places/sources that the bikes are easier to set up this year because of the spec ECU system. I think the fact that there has been 8 different winners this year shows more parity has come to motogp specifically because of this. The fact that you don't need a huge team of electronics techs to set up a bike has been a huge benefit to the entire series.
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Oct 27, 2016 19:39
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n8r posted:Except that per Echomadman Cal is riding Dani's bike - who knows about Marc. Honda has had split development for riders in the past, so even if Cal was in HRC he wouldn't necessarily have the same bike as Marc. See 2006 Hayden/Pedrosa - it was public knowledge that Nicky was on a development/experimental bike because Dani really was the #1 rider. You're falling for the hype. The spec electronics have made the satellite bikes a bit closer, and definitely benefited Suzuki, but pretty much all of the non-alien wins have been thanks to tyre roulette. Crutchlows latest is the only one besides the Suzuki win that seemed legitimately because of improved parity. I'm willing to bet there won't be a satellite dry win next year, and probably none at all, because the factories will have a much better handle on the Michelins and the tyres will stabilise somewhat instead of changing every other weekend.
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Oct 27, 2016 22:19
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Ever think Rea would go to MotoGP? He seems to have the riding style/flexibility.
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Oct 27, 2016 23:51
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Too late for Rea. He rode that wave and crashed into the rocks on the Honda. Rode a poo poo bike for years hoping for a cross over. Now he's on a winning bike in WSBK so he finna win as much as possible. He's way too old now.
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Oct 28, 2016 05:10
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Slavvy posted:You're falling for the hype. The spec electronics have made the satellite bikes a bit closer, and definitely benefited Suzuki, but pretty much all of the non-alien wins have been thanks to tyre roulette. Crutchlows latest is the only one besides the Suzuki win that seemed legitimately because of improved parity. How many years did GP go with factory Yamaha and Honda riders winning every race? If you exclude Casey Stoner - how much longer was it then? There were all sorts of mixed condition / flag to flag races over the years and it didn't matter. I agree that the tires are a factor, but when the entire field went to bridgestone, it didn't stop the factories from totally dominating. I think another sign of more parity is the riders all vying for the KTM/Aprilia/Suzuki factory rides. Given that there is no aero next year (or very little) and the spec ECU, I would contend that the best way to get ahead is to have a factory making chassis changes specific for the rider. It seemed that Yamaha could barely give away the Tech 3 rides, when only a few years ago those were considered some of the best rides in GP, factory or not. It will be interesting to see if Honda really does make a more rider friendly motor next year. I fear if they do, it may be the Marc, then everyone else show. If Honda is unable to dominate next year, we could be entering a golden era of partiy/competition in GP. I fear that Jorge going to Ducati will be the wrong move for him, if he has to do a bunch of development work on the bike, I wonder if he will lose confidence. It is a shame that Dani still has the second HRC seat, I think his time is done, and it's time for HRC to bring in a new rider.
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Oct 28, 2016 14:48
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