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I read the comic today, does the film have the excellent sequence where he stops the prick from beating his mum up? Because that was so good.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:Why bring up all of these issues in what is supposedly a harmless fun goofy Bond pastiche throwback? It's at least in part because inequality is kind of the only story going right now. Gyges posted:Not that the poor were exactly painted in a good light either. Your choice in the movie is to be a poor prick or a rich prick. Occasionally there are poor and rich people who aren't pricks, but they're few and far between. The whole movie had a very dim view of humanity in general, and most of the arguments made concerning reasons for eating the rich are in response to other complaints that the rich were somehow the good guys. Dean and his scummy mates were very much late 90s Galaxy-man Thatcherites to be fair, the film could easily have had them be dealers or 'debt collectors' to explain Dean having a bit of cash in his pocket but chose not to. Right-wing hate preachers and working class community barons are both deliberate examples of people turned against their own class interest by being given license to be pricks. The master plan was even to break down society and remove peoples inhibitions from attacking the person next to them whilst putting the rich into safe protected bubbles, the whole thing is basically Socialism for the Rich. The point to me wasn't that humanity is inherently shite, but that you have to work at being a decent person like Eggsy, Roxy and the Swedish princess did and like Harry tried to. thehandtruck posted:Did i read this right, you are upset 99% of the world wasnt killed...in a comedy action movie? The grim bit is that like at least 30% of the world must have been brutally killed in this comedy action movie. The fight against bladerunner went on a good long time, the film obviously only showed us people judo throwing each other on a beach but there are also like, nurseries and busy roads. It's a bit 'the death star actually destroyed Endor' but if the story and the plot had been coherent with each other that would be one of the darkest endings to a movie I've ever seen. To be honest calling it right-wing propaganda seems way too simplistic to me. The seemingly schizophrenic Kingsman actually got a very good resolution; the aristocratic elements were, as they probably always were, ultimately villains that worked to destroy the common people. The working class affinity group within Kingsman, made up of Eggsy, the decent and only female agent Roxy, the specifically non-posh Merlin and the unseen support staff helping them saved the world by killing the 1%, including the monarchs they were previously named for. The Kingsman are a completely different organisation by the end of the film, the expensive suits and Chav Fighting fluff is almost a smokescreen for what is a very progressive, radical message that the rich genuinely need to be killed.
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sassassin posted:Why does he need a bullet shield? Why does he need to start a fight? He can't very well walk into the pub carrying an AK, can he? And Eggsy might be handy but taking on 8 armed thugs is pretty dangerous. Taking the umbrella as a covert, non-lethal weapon is just smart. And although he might have been hoping for it, Eggsy didn't go there to start a fight, he went to rescue his family. That he jumped at the chance to kick the poo poo out of the bloke who battered and it's strongly implied sexually abused his mum is understandable, even laudable. People seem to think that Dean and his mates represent the working class in some way but they don't, they are a reflection of the negative aspect of Kingsman; a monied, violent, loyal-to-each-other group preserving their position at the top of their social hierarchy. Just like Valentine and the 1% are too. Eggsy, Merlin and Eggsy's friends and family are the only working class characters in the film and they are all presented positively.
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Jun 19, 2015 13:24
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sassassin posted:Do you feel that the Kingsman organisation were good men? They were murderers, secret police operating without oversight, an archaic and corrupt entity that was justly destroyed over the course of the film. The problem with the Kingsman wasn't that they killed, it was that they didn't kill. Harry's Original Sin was preventing the assassination of Thatcher. Eggsy gave him posthumous redemption by killing the upper class and ending the Thatcherite condition Valentine put in place.
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