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that was actually the best possible propaganda for net neutrality proponents and its been going around forever
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cremnob posted:that was actually the best possible propaganda for net neutrality proponents and its been going around forever like literally that image is older than facebook
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Feb 28, 2015 01:39
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also to be clear i oppose net neutrality not because it is in itself a bad idea it's just imposing arbitrary limits on isps and maintaining a flawed system isps should be forcibly nationalized, along with most other industries
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Feb 28, 2015 01:43
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SYSV Fanfic posted:wtf shaggar. Please explain how this is remotely possible in markets with competition? prior to net neut there were incentives to expand networks even if you are serving areas you dominate. your national network (net neut only affects backhaul and has no effect on last mile) benefits greatly from having many paths for sending traffic so you can optimize your bandwidth costs. Being able to negotiate with a heavy usage provider like Netflix makes those upgrades well worth while. post net neut theres no reason to do it. theres no reason to peer with Netflix if netflix doesn't have to pay their share. There is, however, a huge incentive to then bring the content that netflix serves inside your network so you dont have to go to netflix to get it. These guys will go direct to the content owners and start building out their own cable-like private content networks. since the contract for the content is between the content owner and the isp, and not the ISP and another network, theres no threat of hosed up net neut regulations. The content owners then realize that its a way better deal to sell the content over and over to each ISP instead of selling just to netflix. They can also work with these ISPs to start bundling content so it cant be bought in its entirety or a la carte netflix then cant compete because they cant acquire content anyone wants. ISPS who were stupid enough to expand their networks after net neut instead of playing it safe with internal networks go out of business because no one wants service that doesn't have the content consumers want. at this point the internet is mostly dead. the Content owners then force the ISPs to tier the content and cause you cant get it anywhere else you pay for it. net neut is taking us back to cable tv.
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xfinity was basically Comcast hedging against the threat of net neut and they're gonna make out ok because of it. consumers are gonna get screwed, tho.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:wtf shaggar. Please explain how this is remotely possible in markets with competition? or even without competition, really.
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Feb 28, 2015 01:56
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Stymie posted:also to be clear i oppose net neutrality not because it is in itself a bad idea it's just imposing arbitrary limits on isps and maintaining a flawed system this may or may not end up as a stealth nationalization so 
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Feb 28, 2015 02:02
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nationalization would be the best way to destroy the internet
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Shaggar posted:prior to net neut there were incentives to expand networks even if you are serving areas you dominate. your national network (net neut only affects backhaul and has no effect on last mile) benefits greatly from having many paths for sending traffic so you can optimize your bandwidth costs. Being able to negotiate with a heavy usage provider like Netflix makes those upgrades well worth while. I still can[t work this out. ISPs are not going to make their own steams, their own twitters, their own gmails. People will want access to what the other services have. The larger a user base, the better the content. I can't imagine a comcast competitor with SA or Reddit. Its the reason the original dial up services connected to the internet in 1993. Uverse already does exactly this and they dreamt it up in 2003.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:13
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Shaggar posted:nationalization would be the best way to destroy the internet I agree. I'd prefer to see a lot more competition though.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:16
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I mean, all netflix has done up to this point was use a disruptive method to broadcast other people's content. It was hardly ground breaking. People had been doing the same thing with youtube, just illegally.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:21
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I still can[t work this out. ISPs are not going to make their own steams, their own twitters, their own gmails. People will want access to what the other services have. The larger a user base, the better the content. I can't imagine a comcast competitor with SA or Reddit. Its the reason the original dial up services connected to the internet in 1993. twitter and gmail aren't relevant to any of this cause no one cares or would even notice if they never upgrade their networks. the most valuable content is also the bandwidth intensive content. pre-net neut ISPs were happy just being networks and serving that valued content through Netflix. post net neut that kind of business wont be viable so they will abandon it and try to bring the content in-network directly from the owners. xfinity is exactly this. its content delivered directly from the content owners to the ISP customers without a Netflix middleman. SYSV Fanfic posted:I agree. I'd prefer to see a lot more competition though. well then you don't want title II regulation. you want something that will encourage new network expansion.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:24
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Shaggar posted:the Content owners then force the ISPs to tier the content and cause you cant get it anywhere else you pay for it. because online content is limited to streaming video. anyway ISPs tried the private services thing but produced poo poo and without the ability to lock out competition their private services can't survive. every cable company out there has their own landing page, Web search portal, and video on demand service. nobody uses them because they blow.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:26
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I mean, all netflix has done up to this point was use a disruptive method to broadcast other people's content. what Netflix did was convince the content owners that streaming could be viable. that was the hard part. the ISPs were more than happy to help them upgrade networks to get that content to their customers, but now that's all up in the air. now that streaming is no longer a dirty word, its worth it to ISPs to look to them for future revenue in the absence of new networking revenue.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:27
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Shifty Pony posted:because online content is limited to streaming video. you wont have a choice in the future after net neut destroys all your pipes to the rest of the internet.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:28
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computer parts posted:like literally that image is older than facebook
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Feb 28, 2015 02:31
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Shaggar posted:you wont have a choice in the future after net neut destroys all your pipes to the rest of the internet. But they have to maintain and grow their pipes to keep their customer base in the presence of competition.. Unless there is no competition. At which point they should be regulated with an iron fist of regulation.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:34
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Sham bam bamina! posted:like literally that image includes the facebook logo 
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Feb 28, 2015 02:34
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how many of these thiungs are out there
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Feb 28, 2015 02:36
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Shaggar posted:what Netflix did was convince the content owners that streaming could be viable. that was the hard part. the ISPs were more than happy to help them upgrade networks to get that content to their customers, but now that's all up in the air. now that streaming is no longer a dirty word, its worth it to ISPs to look to them for future revenue in the absence of new networking revenue. I don't understand. I thought the problem with netflix was the ISPs wanted to leverage their local duopolies to squeeze money from netflix. This was to protect their traditional businesses from cord cutting. The outcry was if they could do it to netflix, then they could do it to any new usage of the internet to squeeze a little more money. Nothing was stopping them from making a streaming service that competed directly with netflix. That would have been the non duopoly thing to do. Instead they used their complete control to attempt to render netflix less competitive.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:41
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oh, deliberately refusing to upgrade their peering is a flex of that last mile power.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:43
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I don't understand. I thought the problem with netflix was the ISPs wanted to leverage their local duopolies to squeeze money from netflix. no netflix thought they could leverage their customer base to be able to pay slightly less money
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Feb 28, 2015 02:45
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SYSV Fanfic posted:oh, deliberately refusing to upgrade their peering is a flex of that last mile power. basically
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Feb 28, 2015 02:48
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someone tally up the yospossers pro & con so i can know who to consider retarded
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Feb 28, 2015 03:16
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Snapchat A Titty posted:someone tally up the yospossers pro & con so i can know who to consider retarded i'm pro net neutrghazi
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Feb 28, 2015 03:18
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what is that net neutralty + benghazi?
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Feb 28, 2015 03:23
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neutraface is a nice font but sort of getting tired of art deco
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Feb 28, 2015 04:08
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i am pro net neutrality and pro sharia law
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loving shagmech dunking all over this thread like mj dunking over 3 yo/s
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Feb 28, 2015 04:35
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the ownage is so hard i can't even make a 360 noscope because it would be too tame in comparison to the wisdom being spread
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Feb 28, 2015 04:36
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pagancow why is the fishmech layer behind the palpatine layer
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Sham bam bamina! posted:pagancow why is the fishmech layer behind the palpatine layer something something crushed blacks
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I don't understand. I thought the problem with netflix was the ISPs wanted to leverage their local duopolies to squeeze money from netflix. This was to protect their traditional businesses from cord cutting. The outcry was if they could do it to netflix, then they could do it to any new usage of the internet to squeeze a little more money. they weren't squeezing anything from Netflix. Netflix decided they could get better service for less by going directly to Comcast instead of going thru level3. the reason most isps don't do their own streaming stuff(aside from Comcast) is that they were happy to just be network companies up until net neut makes just being the network unmaintainable. if/when that happens they will have to expand out of networking to make money. also the reason Comcast has their own streaming service is because they are also a content owner. net neut will probably make them double down on that and even if the twc deal isn't approved I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to sell twc some of their stuff. the narrative that ISPs did anything wrong to Netflix is complete and utter bullshit on every level.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Well on the other hand it's Ted Cruz soooooooo i hope that you have learned a valuable lesson about quoting stymie
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i hope that you have learned a valuable lesson about quoting stymie oh no
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Feb 28, 2015 07:33
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Shaggar posted:they weren't squeezing anything from Netflix. Netflix decided they could get better service for less by going directly to Comcast instead of going thru level3. If you believe that you're delusional. But you're shaggar so that's a given
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Feb 28, 2015 08:03
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here is a video with confusing graphics and bad compression trying to explain the history of the law which should leave you just as confused when you watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZyUlIhUMyM
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Feb 28, 2015 16:35
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spankmeister posted:If you believe that you're delusional. lol net neuts cant accept reality
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