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Thermopyle posted:Are you saying that it's off on step counting for running or just distance measurement? Maybe it is an issue of people being in some stride "sweet spot" for missing miles? I do 5Ks on my treadmill 5 days a week and I also see myself losing miles vs. what the machine says I'm doing. That being said, both devices have my calories burnt being pretty close to one another which is pretty okay!
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Thermopyle posted:Are you saying that it's off on step counting for running or just distance measurement? I have no idea if the steps are off or not, if I knew how many steps I had in a mile I would have set the stride length months ago. But yeah, distance is definitely off by a lot on runs, miles.
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Big info dump over on 9to5mac Best news is 5 hour "heavy app usage".
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quote:Tim Cook and Jony Ive have both spoken numerous times about the Apple Watch Edition being more scratch-resistant than standard 18-karat gold, describing it as ‘twice as hard’ as standard gold but but without explaining how. A patent application (via Leancrew) appears to explain this–and shows that Apple saves money on the gold into the bargain. Yep, I'm sticking with my prediction that the gold Apple Watch is a lot less expensive that people are predicting, that would put the max gold content at closer to $800, likely closer to $500 which means Apple could sell it for $1000-$1200 and still pull off insane margins. Not fashion luxury insane margins but still high even for Apple. The whole argument for the insane $5-10k+ price range has been that is what other 18k Gold watches cost, do you really think that argument would fly if it was known that Apple was using a 3rd less gold in their watches? Three Olives fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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The $10k or even $20k ideas just amaze me. Apple is a company that's all about the bottom line and making products people want because it's trendy, cool, etc., but those prices are just ridiculous. I'm with Three Olives on this. I'm guessing: Apple Watch - $449 or $499 AW Sport - $349 AW Edition - $799 up to $999 on the outside Rick Sanchez fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 16:17
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Paul Allen posted:The $10k or even $20k ideas just amaze me. Apple is a company that's all about the bottom line and making products people want because it's trendy, cool, etc., but those prices are just ridiculous. I'm with Three Olives on this. I would go with $999 for the Edition, maybe $1,299 but these $5k figures are ridiculous. Another thing I find interesting is a lot of this speculation seems to going back to John Gruber who is saying stuff like this: quote:Technically that’s possible, but it doesn’t make any sense to me strategically or in terms of operational efficiency. With storage tiers in iOS devices, the only difference is the capacity of the flash memory chip. That’s it. All the other components, and the machining and tooling required to produce them, are the same. With Sport and steel Apple Watches, everything you can see or touch is different. Different metal (aluminum vs. steel), different finishes (matte vs. highly-polished), different displays (glass vs. sapphire), different case backs (plastic vs. ceramic and sapphire). If the marketing argument doesn’t persuade you, the operations angle should. I just don’t see why Apple would bother with all this if the starting price for steel Apple Watch wasn’t at least around double that of Sport. Really? Apple was seriously considering using sapphire for the entire phone screen, there are non-insanely expensive phones out now that use sapphire for the screens. Yes it will be appealing but the marginal cost of a sapphire display over a glass display can't be more than $10-20 and steel is an appealing material but they make soup cans out of steel and aluminium, we aren't talking an inherently luxury material here. Why is everyone assuming that Apple is going to go from very healthy margins to like Gucci margins because they decided to make a watch? That is insane.
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Yeah Gruber's price predictions are pretty outlandish, but I cant' dismiss it because it's almost certainly informed by inside sources at Apple.
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"luxury watch" and "materials cost" are pretty much unrelated. I think people are assuming Apple will model their pricing after stuff like this.
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Mar 9, 2015 16:39
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Three Olives posted:I would go with $999 for the Edition, maybe $1,299 but these $5k figures are ridiculous. Yeah, $999 wouldn't surprise me either, but I really don't think they would crack $1000. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
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Mar 9, 2015 16:40
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Maybe he's (or rather, his sources) throwing out high numbers to manage expectations. $1k doesn't sound so bad if we were all prepared for $5k!
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Mar 9, 2015 16:42
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I don't like the look of gold so anything that pushes the stainless steel down in price works for me.
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Endless Mike posted:What time is this? 10 PDT/ 1 EDT? http://www.apple.com/live/
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Jealous Cow posted:"luxury watch" and "materials cost" are pretty much unrelated. I think people are assuming Apple will model their pricing after stuff like this. Yeah the real answer is "what the market will bear" and all we have to go on are the gold watches that already exist. Getting sucked into the materials cost and assuming that's all there is seems foolish. You still have the cost of development, rejiggering the stores however they want, and presumably some ongoing labor for the high rollers too. Edit: plus I don't think the sort of market typically interested in gold watches usually cares if it's 5-10k. If those numbers make your eyes roll then the whole product category of gold watches isn't meant for you.
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Mar 9, 2015 16:49
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Endless Mike posted:What time is this? 10 PDT/ 1 EDT? Yup. quote:Spring forward.
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Three Olives posted:Yep, I'm sticking with my prediction that the gold Apple Watch is a lot less expensive that people are predicting, that would put the max gold content at closer to $800, likely closer to $500 which means Apple could sell it for $1000-$1200 and still pull off insane margins. Not fashion luxury insane margins but still high even for Apple. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good
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lol @ people using "costs of goods" to try and predict the price of a luxury item. I mean if you're gonna claim that it won't be priced with those kind of margins that's fine, but claiming that there's no way they'd charge 5k+ JUST because it ONLY has $500 worth of actual gold in it is stupid. If they want to go after that market they certainly will and will most likely make a killing at it. We'll find out soon enough.
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Jealous Cow posted:I don't like the look of gold so anything that pushes the stainless steel down in price works for me. This is part of the reason I don't believe there is going to be an astronomical price point for the gold watch, it's going to have limited appeal even as the ultra-luxury watch. I don't like the look of gold on me, even if I could spend $10k on a gold Apple Watch like it was nothing I would go for the stainless steel. It's absolutely going to be a premium over the steel but I don't see an OMG premium and the steel is probably going to be the most popular device by far. By charging an OMG premium on a watch that many potential buyers wouldn't buy for style reasons I think the risk alienating top end customers. Obviously they are going to have to charge a premium for gold but not such a difference that steel buyers are afraid it is going to look like they cheaped out for not getting gold. Sport will be the watch teenagers get from Mom & Dad for their birthday.
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I recall posts on here (and the rest of the internet) about how the 1st gen iPad COULDN'T be less than $1000, it just absolutely couldn't because x, y and z. I wonder if this will be a similar situation this time around.
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http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1503ohibasdvoihbasfdv/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 If anyone else is going to be watching this on VLC...
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Three Olives posted:This is part of the reason I don't believe there is going to be an astronomical price point for the gold watch, it's going to have limited appeal even as the ultra-luxury watch. I don't like the look of gold on me, even if I could spend $10k on a gold Apple Watch like it was nothing I would go for the stainless steel. Platinum ftw
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Apple.com has been replaced with the event page: http://www.apple.com/live/2015-mar-event/ Looks like they're doing the rolling blog style page again. Didn't this crash their site last time?
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I hope we get to see the truck's schedule again.
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I hope all Apple Watch users get Bono's heartbeat automatically.
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Endless Mike posted:I hope we get to see the truck's schedule again. 
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You know that it's an Apple thread when everygoon's getting all competitive about how many 5k's they run per week.Paul Allen posted:I recall posts on here (and the rest of the internet) about how the 1st gen iPad COULDN'T be less than $1000, it just absolutely couldn't because x, y and z. Or when everybody went all  when the rMBP was introduced with a sub-$4k pricetag.
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Three Olives posted:I have no idea if the steps are off or not, if I knew how many steps I had in a mile I would have set the stride length months ago. But yeah, distance is definitely off by a lot on runs, miles. Don't these things have a calibrate function? I know the UP bands do, because I've done it using a 400m track with the iPhone app.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
Tim subscribes to Schwarzenegger "sleep faster" line of motivation.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:You know that it's an Apple thread when everygoon's getting all competitive about how many 5k's they run per week. I think you misread the room.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
Wasn't there stuff from way back about how Tim was basically just as crazy as Steve and would routinely expect his top brass to respond to emails at like 3AM that involved running numbers and stuff?
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Three Olives posted:Wasn't there stuff from way back about how Tim was basically just as crazy as Steve and would routinely expect his top brass to respond to emails at like 3AM that involved running numbers and stuff? Tim's been long known to be a giant fitness nut who gets up at like 3:30 to exercise so he can start working before, like, 6.
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Three Olives posted:http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1503ohibasdvoihbasfdv/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 This link is 404-ing for me. Anyone got a different one?
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CoasterMaster posted:This link is 404-ing for me. Anyone got a different one? Works fine with VLC for me. I always hate the over-enthusiasm of the audience at these things "woo we're so excited to be able to buy new products!!!"
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Link is working fine with VLC here.
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mik posted:Works fine with VLC for me. I always hate the over-enthusiasm of the audience at these things "woo we're so excited to be able to buy new products!!!" Ah figured it out. Stupid work firewall...... For those with the same trouble as me, I used this link: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1503ohibasdvoihbasfdv/live/2500/2500.m3u8?x-session-format=live
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mik posted:I always hate the over-enthusiasm of the audience at these things "woo we're so excited to be able to buy new products!!!" Yes. It's so awkward.
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The apple watch is the only thing that might give my worthless life meaning. Please, give it to me.
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