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Would it even be possible/legal to deny a referendum vote to UK-resident citizens of other EU countries?
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Renaissance Robot posted:I'm on a zero hours contract with an NHS clerical bank, and I get holiday pay as a fixed percentage addition to my regular pay regardless of when or whether I arrange to not work. So if I worked any number of hours all year and took the same amount of holiday as a permanent staff member in the same band working the same hours, I'd earn the same as them. I have what I think is probably a really good zero hours contract, the nature of the work somewhat demands it doing merchandising as we have lots of occasional jobs, but we get the odd opportunity for unsocial/overtime hours (which once lead to me logging 25 hours work in one day) and I get holidays as a percentage of my hours worked, which i also get paid for if I don't take them. I'd like more hours but the pay rate is honestly a bit better than it is on paper given all opportunities for extra pay. LemonDrizzle posted:Would it even be possible/legal to deny a referendum vote to UK-resident citizens of other EU countries? I was under the impression that referendums can be denied or opened to anyone the government feels like, given that the government doesn't have to promise to act on them, they can just give you vote and say they'll think about the result. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 08:20
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Clerical NHS bank 0 hour buddies, yeah. Apparently the guidance has changed following a European court ruling; "rolled up" holiday pay eg paid pro rata on top of your salary is no longer lawful; taking at least the EU mandated 21 days holiday is part of the working time directive and you can't circumvent it with a 0 hour. This is extremely recent (Nov 2014, I think) and my trust seems to still be adjusting to it. If you were not paid a holiday as part of a 0 hour, keep your pay stubs and bring them to the CAB, you might be able to make a claim.
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Apr 2, 2015 08:40
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the lack of a fresh, clean april thread is extremely triggering for me.
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Apr 2, 2015 08:41
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Oberleutnant posted:the lack of a fresh, clean april thread is extremely triggering for me. One blessed with not having Americans' terrible opinions about food.
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Apr 2, 2015 08:49
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CoolCab posted:Clerical NHS bank 0 hour buddies, yeah. Apparently the guidance has changed following a European court ruling; "rolled up" holiday pay eg paid pro rata on top of your salary is no longer lawful; taking at least the EU mandated 21 days holiday is part of the working time directive and you can't circumvent it with a 0 hour. This is extremely recent (Nov 2014, I think) and my trust seems to still be adjusting to it. Wait what? I have to take my holiday hours now? Do you have a link to an explanation of this?
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Apr 2, 2015 08:50
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Like seriously we didn't impose our terrible food opinions on other peoples when we colonised them, we just took their food. What is this new, horrifying face of imperialism.
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Apr 2, 2015 08:50
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Was being talked about here a few days ago: Labour will scrap tribunal fees if elected. http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-04-01/labour-will-scrap-fees-for-employment-tribunals/
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Apr 2, 2015 08:55
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OwlFancier posted:Wait what? I have to take my holiday hours now? quote:Rolled-up holiday pay https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/holiday-pay-the-basics
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Apr 2, 2015 08:56
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Ok, in my case it isn't used in the calculation of my hourly rate, we earn holiday hours as we work, and if we elect not to take them, they just add the hours we earn onto our paychecks as holiday hours, even if we're still working, as I assume they would if we actually took them, we just get paid hours worked + holidays. Essentially I get paid extra if I don't take holidays, which I rather like because I get plenty of time off anyway, does that still apply in that case do you know?
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Apr 2, 2015 09:02
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Something you hear a lot from Tories is that zero hour contracts benefit both workers and employers because some workers want the flexibility. The employer decides what hours you work, though, right? You can't just say that you have to take your mum to hospital so you won't be coming in today but you'll come in tomorrow instead.
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Apr 2, 2015 09:34
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Jack the Lad posted:Something you hear a lot from Tories is that zero hour contracts benefit both workers and employers because some workers want the flexibility. Depends, a lot of my work is really flexible and I can do it any time during the week so long as the stores are open. But that's not really contingent on it being zero hours. Merchandising is probably one of the best suited jobs for zero hours, but the contract itself is still pretty poo poo because it's mostly an excuse for employers to fire you without firing you.
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Apr 2, 2015 09:38
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OwlFancier posted:Depends, a lot of my work is really flexible and I can do it any time during the week so long as the stores are open. But that's not really contingent on it being zero hours. Right, it seems like that purpose would be served by having a 20 (or however many) contract with flexible times. The real problems with zero hours as I see it are that people have no guaranteed income - which makes it very hard to plan a budget or know whether you'll be able to pay your rent on any given month - and that employers have no obligations to employees and can like you say just stop giving people hours.
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Apr 2, 2015 09:44
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Jack the Lad posted:Something you hear a lot from Tories is that zero hour contracts benefit both workers and employers because some workers want the flexibility. It really doesn't allow the employee any flexability. Usually it's just a weapon against you. Management upset with you? Suddenly you're not working this week. Can't work this Saturday? Strangely you ain't working all of next week ether. Won't do something that's clearly not your job? You won't be doing the things that are your job for a while.
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Apr 2, 2015 09:44
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I made a new thread, hope that's okay http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3710585
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Apr 2, 2015 09:46
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Jack the Lad posted:Right, it seems like that purpose would be served by having a 20 (or however many) contract with flexible times. Yeah, some of the people who have been with the company longer still have their original X hours contract, they only hire people zero hours nowadays because why wouldn't they? It's low skill minimum wage work and they get a chunk of their hires off the work program, so they don't have to offer anything better. The company doesn't actually pull dick moves with people (and are actually weirdly lenient with people taking time off for illness and such) and they don't just pull your hours for no reason, but at the same time, why should they be able to in theory? Zero hours are dumb.
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Apr 2, 2015 09:48
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Is there gonna be somewhere to tv iv the debate tonight? It's gonna be horrific I bet
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Apr 2, 2015 10:09
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Phoon posted:Is there gonna be somewhere to tv iv the debate tonight? It's gonna be horrific I bet Seems like a good way to start off the new thread.
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Apr 2, 2015 10:25
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Jack the Lad posted:Something you hear a lot from Tories is that zero hour contracts benefit both workers and employers because some workers want the flexibility. Depends where and how it's used. My wife was on a zero hours as a teacher at a college. The zero hours staff would get paid for whatever lessons they happened to be timetabled (none of the prep or marking, which was easily 50% of the job) which depended entirely on student numbers and the hours covered by full time staff. There absolutely were people there who liked the flexibility of zero hours, but in my wife's case, there were times she was doing the same work as a full time teacher and getting paid a fraction of the amount, and there were times she had bugger all hours. I heard of other staff who got timetabled 6 hours a week and were expected to pay rent and bills with that. The reasons for having Jack the Lad posted:Something you hear a lot from Tories is that zero hour contracts benefit both workers and employers because some workers want the flexibility. A friend of mine had a zero hours as a teacher at a college. There were people who it suited, but for the most part it was exploitative. You got paid for the lessons you were timetabled, which changed 3 times in the academic year. Most of the timetable was covered by the full time staff, who were allocated a fixed number of hours a year. If there was a requirement over that, it was taken up by the zero hours staff. Essentially, if you have short notice, variable demand for staff, zero hours means you never have to pay for for labour you're not using. Really there should be very little need for zero hours if you're good at forecasting demand. You might be a little over hours, but just swallow the cost.
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Apr 2, 2015 10:27
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Gonzo McFee posted:It really doesn't allow the employee any flexability. Usually it's just a weapon against you. Management upset with you? Suddenly you're not working this week. Can't work this Saturday? Strangely you ain't working all of next week ether. Won't do something that's clearly not your job? You won't be doing the things that are your job for a while. This was my experience when I had a zero hour contract in a family run garden centre a couple of summers ago. They didn't even operate using rotas made out in advance; they just told people when to come back in at the end of a shift, and if anyone was deemed to have worked to a sub-Stakhanovite standard they were told to expect a phone call and wouldn't be seen again. Not only that but they would offer most people just a few hours work each morning and only keep them on for the whole day if they thought they were getting enough work out of them. I really liked the exercise and the fresh air and had no other commitments so they had me working 40+ hours for the whole summer, but I still had to go through that farce every day and I lost track of the others who were coming and going. They operated in much the same fashion with the staff who worked in the indoor bit all year round. Also they were a really weird family and the ma was a loving sex pest but that's not a story for D&D.
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Apr 2, 2015 10:44
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I think the problem is that a lot of people who aren't bothered by 0 hour contracts are people who primarily think of them in terms of like ~sharing economy~ clients such as Uber, Hassle, Mopp, Homejoy and Handybook where you can bid for extra work on the side rather than as a brutally grinding day-job in an office space.
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Apr 2, 2015 11:08
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My work's being very topical at the moment. We've just told a researcher that she's not allowed to see a bunch of letters from the Queen and Prince Phil to one of our old dukes. Hope she doesn't make a FoI request 
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Apr 2, 2015 12:54
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Can anyone give me a quick yes or no on whether I can vote? I'm a Swiss national living here for five years. It's my first GE.
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Apr 2, 2015 12:57
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Coohoolin posted:Can anyone give me a quick yes or no on whether I can vote? I'm a Swiss national living here for five years. It's my first GE. http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-and-registration/who-is-eligible-to-vote-at-a-uk-general-election quote:Who is eligible to vote at a UK general election?
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Apr 2, 2015 12:59
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Coohoolin posted:Can anyone give me a quick yes or no on whether I can vote? I'm a Swiss national living here for five years. It's my first GE. quote:Additionally, the following cannot vote in a UK general election: [...] EU citizens resident in the UK (although they can vote at elections to local authorities, devolved legislatures and the European Parliament)
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Apr 2, 2015 13:00
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Nutsack. I asked the people at the registration booth on campus and they weren't sure.
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Apr 2, 2015 13:14
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Is Switzerland classed as EU for most reasons despite being officially separate? What's the deal with that arrangement? The airport queues that say EU (and Swiss) always confused me.
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Apr 2, 2015 13:34
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Isn't that because Switzerland is in the Schengen area though not in the EU?
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Apr 2, 2015 13:37
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Mods rename this thread SwissMT please
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Apr 2, 2015 13:41
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Pissflaps posted:Isn't that because Switzerland is in the Schengen area though not in the EU? Yep. Same thing with Norway. We get the free tuition deal in Scotland as well.
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Apr 2, 2015 13:49
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Coohoolin posted:Can anyone give me a quick yes or no on whether I can vote? I'm a Swiss national living here for five years. It's my first GE. You mean Scottish National surely?
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Apr 2, 2015 14:12
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EvilGenius posted:It sounds like he'd want to rig the EU referendum in the same way the Tories rigged the AV referendum. If he could pull it off at least it would poo poo on any other attempt to do it for decades. How was the AV referendum rigged? I was naturally part of the problem and voted no, but that was because I was relatively convinced it was a crap system that was the worst of all worlds. Of course, that was when FPTP still had a track record of delivering a strong majority. Oops. LemonDrizzle posted:
This is a heck of a risk, as nice as it would be to lance the boil. I think that's pretty much pushed me to voting Labour. baka kaba posted:Because it's not been presented as 'Tory donors support Tories', it's presented as 'important experts on business warn that Labour will damage the recovery and make everything worse for everyone'. And it's definitely not being presented as the astroturfing that it really is Perhaps important experts on business are voting Tory because they're important experts on business rather than to help the Tory party? 
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Apr 2, 2015 14:13
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Guavanaut posted:Mountain oysters? First time my fiancee told me about those I thought she was bullshitting me 
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Apr 2, 2015 16:03
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ThomasPaine posted:Is Switzerland classed as EU for most reasons despite being officially separate? What's the deal with that arrangement? The airport queues that say EU (and Swiss) always confused me.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:39
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Prince John posted:Of course, that was when FPTP still had a track record of delivering a strong majority. Oops. you what mate? 2010, 74, 74 again, 64, 50 & whatever point between 92 and 97 Major's majority disappeared.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:42
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I look forward to seeing Ed Milibland trying to form with the assistance of the SNP. Good god, the thought makes me moist.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:44
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Dave looks more goblin like than normal.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:01
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'most of our laws made in europe' Not even 5 mins in, and first lie from Farage Clegg also lying- hes' lips are moving.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:04
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Clegg is also saying that the Lib Dems are resillient, it's lies all around so far.
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