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It's prettty easy to have one NCO watch 11 soldiers when your army is the size of the average American middle school, Vaha. Also lmao HRC staffs AIT based on throughout only, not complexity. The throughput model is based on basic, which is drat near wholly sourced by post infrastructures. So if your AIT Bde has 60 different tech schools of varying sizes, they get just as many staff/instructors as if you're in a basic combat training brigade per student. So basically, "get fukt" technically difficult brigades.
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:Should have enlisted 13 series I know which taxi drivers will hook you up with escorts were you a B, M, F, or one of those one weird ones that I could slot colorblind ADD retards in because "it's totally combat arms" edit: 13d is the one I'm thinking of CHICKEN SHOES fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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mlmp08 posted:It's prettty easy to have one NCO watch 11 soldiers when your army is the size of the average American middle school, Vaha. I'll grant this one. And the fact that you have a pool of conscript NCOs and junior officers to tap into that are not only unpaid, but widely available, and present 24h because for for the 362 day conscription time those motherfuckers only go home on weekends, helps a poo poo ton. I have a finnish friend, an ex-Leopard Crewman, who is now in 194th AR BdE, at Benning, in 19k OSUT. His observations and complaints are pretty much in sync with mine, so I don't feel as crazy or worried that I had nostalgia goggles on. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:were you a B, M, F, or one of those one weird ones that I could slot colorblind ADD retards in because "it's totally combat arms" F . I remember I wanted 35M and could have waited for it but didn't and the rest is history!
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:F . I remember I wanted 35M and could have waited for it but didn't and the rest is history! I sold fister like a mother fucker. I mean it's probably lame as gently caress like every other enlisted job but it was an easy sell. When I joined in 03 I was convinced I wanted to be a 19D and be some John J mother fucker and the guy was like "ARE YOU SURE YOU DONT WANT ONE OF THESE (insert incredibly better in retrospect jobs with a huge bonus) " lol dumbass when I joined AGAIN in 07 I wanted something shame as gently caress and pick chemical lol, even more dumb rear end 35M would be cool, I put like 1-2 kinda cute chicks in that but I think they washed out edit: i meant sham but same drat thing CHICKEN SHOES fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Vahakyla posted:Because now here, insane amount of time and effort is wasted due to the incompetence of PGs (not their fault though) and the overall disrespect and sluggishness in executing anything they want, instead of just having actual corporals running a tight leash each on their own assigned squad, doing the PT, handling their paperwork and admin, and squaring them away. It's going back in the thread a bit but I wanted to point out where you go wrong with your beliefs. You're operating on the assumption that "ground level" NCO ranks are there to get poo poo done. This is incorrect, and is why you are misinterpreting what you see. The purpose of PGs and Corporals and whatnot is to have someone with zero authority to accomplish anything, but all the responsibility of accomplishing those things so when something gets hosed up the higher ranks can was their hands of it by making GBS threads on the "leadership".
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loving  You know what I'm doing this week? I'm off from school until ~8 Jan, so I'm volunteering at a local aquarium, I'm smoking weed and drinking beer with some grad school friends of mine, and going to see Rogue One again before I head home for Christmas. There's no POV inspection, no stupid AT level 69getfukt, no leave form to get signed by some moronic chucklefuck with a room temperature IQ, and I get to decide when I'm coming back to the beach town that I live in. Being a civilian loving rocks, especially if you go to a school near a beach with plenty of little dog-friendly breweries/taphouses and lots of places to go scuba diving.e: my side job while I'm in school: Icon Of Sin posted:We went to Devil's Den, and it seems the homeowner was there waiting for us. Walk away from the army the very first chance you get. Life gets better the further behind you it gets  Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dec 18, 2016 06:45
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wow fort sam sounds like it sucks now
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 this except replace all mention of stairs and whatnot with "i told u about how loving retarded the US Army is bro" we told you bro
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Vak's experience just helps confirm a theory I'm working on that the US army is in fact not just retarded, but uniquely retarded amongst nations. FWIW, the NZDF could swap out with Finland in all your comparisons.
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Icon Of Sin posted:loving You are an underwater cave diver? You are loving more insane than Vaha for NOT LISTENINING. Vaha, My first day of AIT was a company the size of yours. 100% mandatory piss test. Motivate the good ones, lead at the lower ranks and you'll be successful. Just don't make your superiors feel stupid because that got me in a lot of trouble. Even if I didn't mean to and was legitimately trying to do something awesome or help 
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Also Vaha, do me a favor. Please give us the latest and best of who is loving who and she did what to who and he is gonna kill who the gently caress is that?  because that is where you will find the real US Army. The one where we gently caress each other like a bunch of southern rabbits.
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you know whats hosed up is I have yet to find a more worthless MOS than 74D I can't even make fun of 42A or PAO or whatever like, lol, NBC I challenge anyone to find a more worthless mos than 74D. Like yeah 74D could be important ONE DAY MAYBE but in the real world just no
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I feel like I missed out on all of those shenanigans. My first MOS was more than 40 weeks, and our class size was 3. I reclassed into 68W, so I didn't go to Sam Houston, but instead Knox with a poo poo-ton of E5-E6's, and an E7. The worst we had in medic school was the only E4 got caught stealing a poo poo-ton of supplies and was kicked out, and an E5 that jumped from Navy corpsman had to go through medic school again (even though he had literally done that exact same school many years, two deployments, and a rank [drop a rank to change services] ago), who's camelback was pretty much 100% sprite and vodka, but everybody let it slide.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:you know whats hosed up is I have yet to find a more worthless MOS than 74D I will end you
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I deployed attached to PAO. Worthless.
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Jaguars! posted:Vak's experience just helps confirm a theory I'm working on that the US army is in fact not just retarded, but uniquely retarded amongst nations. So for non-US Army cap: PG is a "platoon guide", and it's one of the privates who has to "lead" the platoon, plus all squads have "student squad leaders", and a "student first" leads the company. They are all just clueless privates who are on the same level of military life as their peers, and they are confused, and get nothing done in time and nobody respects them because these are privates. They just yell "pleas be quiet" non stop and say "at close interval dress right dress" everytime they see a NCO. Some of them are like "senpai notice me" and yell at a completelely silent formation to "lock it, have some discipline" when a NCO walks close. Compared to the Finnish Corporal who is still a concscript, but is an actual NCO with actual power and authority, and thus able to get poo poo done with his privates. And his orders aren't questined non-stop. Not only can he do the movement and admin part more efficiently with less people and more authority, he also can teach the soldiers poo poo on how poo poo works.
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Meanwhile, units that don't add to the regs have students on pass from 9am to 9pm with off post privileges in AIT on weekends and on pass from dinner until 830 or 9 on weekdays. 68W AIT has a reputation for sucking based on all the medics I've talked to since hearing of Vaha's woes.
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Soulex posted:You are an underwater cave diver? You are loving more insane than Vaha for NOT LISTENINING. Caverns only. Being able to see sunlight when you're as far in as you can go is fairly underrated, and laying line so you don't lose the way back out sounds fairly terrifying. That's also before you run into the issues with silting out, partial/full collapses, and anything else that could go wrong on a normal dive.
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Lol, never thought I would have approved that conscription Army gets more training done than US hooah Army but hey, as far as 19K training in OSUT is concerned US training is SLOW. Also m1 has some plain weird design choices compared to Leo 2
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Like what? I'm technically an "armor officer" but I only spent maybe a month or so tops in and around an Abrams, rest of my time was spent doing scout stuff. I don't know poo poo about tanks.
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Mustang, small Quality of Life things such as blinkers (nice to have in road marches) seat arrangement, ammo compartment accessibility and such. Also m1 is cramped as gently caress if you come from Leo background
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:you know whats hosed up is I have yet to find a more worthless MOS than 74D I was, apparently, my company's CBRN NCO for an undetermined amount of time. I only know this because my records contain orders releasing me from that position. So apparently it's a job someone can do without even knowing that they're doing it.
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I was somehow a PAC clerk responsible for sending in unit pay info after drill weekends. (1993-1998) Med labs are/were a clusterfuck of incompetence. My original MOS was tactical telecomms / record center operator (72E/74C) and unit armorer (45B)
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mlmp08 posted:Meanwhile, units that don't add to the regs have students on pass from 9am to 9pm with off post privileges in AIT on weekends and on pass from dinner until 830 or 9 on weekdays. i was there in 2003 it was pretty good back then
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Some of my PSGs tell that when they went through, it was chill. Released 1630 on most days, and next time they had to be somewhere was 0600 PT. We are up at 0330-0400 depending on the day. (PT test or some dental appointments are 0245 wakeup), and get released at 1940ish for a 2000 bedcheck that lasts for 30-40 minutes with one sergeant checking 350 CACs, keys, and names. Lights out at 2100.
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phase 5 it was like basic, marched everywhere and no passes phase 5+ we had one night passes and weekends free final phase was just show up for pt and school. we got a 5 day pass for 4th of july we had like 300 in our company, including 20 prior service. about 50% got recycled to another company.
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Vahakyla posted:Now that I've hopped Armies and am enjoying the US Army, let me just say that "lol". When I went through 6 years ago we had companies about that size and slept in 100 man bays, also the old dfac that was closer got shut down most likely because it had a severe cockroach infestation, we had multiple people spot them every week, one time one came out of the ice dispenser while someone was getting ice lol
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Ace of Baes posted:When I went through 6 years ago we had companies about that size and slept in 100 man bays, also the old dfac that was closer got shut down most likely because it had a severe cockroach infestation, we had multiple people spot them every week, one time one came out of the ice dispenser while someone was getting ice lol That dfac was so scrubby I remember sneaking over to the other dfac once and those fuckers ate like kings
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the funniest thing in the army was going back to a tradoc post for a school or whatever and just taking it all in. BCGs were pretty bad but the whole wiley-x or whatever issued cool guy glasses with the inserts is a billion times worse. Nothing looks worse than those weird rear end privates with shaved heads and eyepro with the head strap thing in the dfac
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I remember getting drunk at 6AM on a saturday morning in AIT, because I had fire guard from 0200-0500, and there weren't any rules against it since the "day" started at 0500AM. Edit: We couldn't drink in the bays, but we could drink outside of the PX, which sold beer.
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I would get a lot of those little airplane bottles and pour them in a coffee cup and pretend I was drinking coffee.
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Infantry AIT was just a slightly longer basic training and we didn't do anything cool or fun. 
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35T AIT was 10 months long and we also didn't do anything cool or fun. There's not much cool or fun to be had in the US Army.
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One time with the 173rd in Italy we did land navigation in the hills of Asiago and since it wasn't an actual military training area we just brought tents and wore normal people clothes and it was group events and not really timed or anything just a chill find some points walk in the hills chat with your bros event and at night we'd go to the lodge / hotel spot and eat real food and drink beer. But I was also new to the unit / Army so I got hosed with a bunch and ended up having to do staff duty and also write an essay for someone who wasn't even my team leader when I got back? That was probably the closest to a good time I've had that also involved the Army.
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Sooo im not saying I just got orders for Ft. Stewart but hypotethically speaking what kind of life can a 19K expect in there? Is it a nice base, and what kinda reputation 3rd ID has? wikipedia claims they tour europe?
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Valtonen posted:Sooo im not saying I just got orders for Ft. Stewart but hypotethically speaking what kind of life can a 19K expect in there? Is it a nice base, and what kinda reputation 3rd ID has? wikipedia claims they tour europe? I hope you like a whole lot of nothing. Stanley Goodspeed posted:One time with the 173rd in Italy we did land navigation in the hills of Asiago and since it wasn't an actual military training area we just brought tents and wore normal people clothes and it was group events and not really timed or anything just a chill find some points walk in the hills chat with your bros event and at night we'd go to the lodge / hotel spot and eat real food and drink beer. But I was also new to the unit / Army so I got hosed with a bunch and ended up having to do staff duty and also write an essay for someone who wasn't even my team leader when I got back? Similarly, my company did land nav course through Vicenza where everybody was split into groups of five or six and we just wore normal people clothes while wandering around the city and at the end of the day we met at some little cafe and had some good food and beer. It was a legit nice day and one of the few fond memories I have of training in Italy. Everything else was a loving joke but that day was all right.
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I kind of liked Vicenza because the facilities there didn't support anything. You were either in Germany or something doing something that actually resembled training or you knocked out some dumb paperwork poo poo or whatever, took a long lunch and then either got cut loose early or at least were able to hang out in your / one of your soldier's rooms and play PS2 or Wii until things wrapped up. I know there was dumb poo poo that broke the mold, but for the most part everyone in my company realized we probably didn't need to clean the weapons or gently caress with trucks if they hadn't been shot or driven in weeks or months.
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Stanley Goodspeed posted:I kind of liked Vicenza because the facilities there didn't support anything. You were either in Germany or something doing something that actually resembled training or you knocked out some dumb paperwork poo poo or whatever, took a long lunch and then either got cut loose early or at least were able to hang out in your / one of your soldier's rooms and play PS2 or Wii until things wrapped up. You had it slightly better than I did, then. When I was there there were a lot of days spent just sitting around and waiting to be told to start cleaning so that we could be released. We did a lot of, oh god I hate myself for this right now, hip pocket training because it was just a constant cluster gently caress of nobody wanting to take initiative for fear of reprisal. But we also got Monday's off if we had weekend cq or staff duty, although that went away when got some dipshit 1SG who came from 2-504 via Bragg so we had to do stuff like we were back at Bragg. Goddamn. I'm still upset I didn't key that tool's car before I left. 173d definitely beat the 82nd as far as gay army poo poo goes.
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I filed a tour extension so the 173rd was the only unit I was ever with, stayed with the same company the entire time even so I don't have a good reference to compare it with other Army bullshit. It seemed okay compared to some of the stuff that gets thrown around in this thread. We weren't locked into loving cages until the end of the duty day at least  . Also I kind of had a distorted view of things for the second half of my time since I slithered into company headquarters about the same time I hit E-5 so things got exponentially more chill.
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