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Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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What the heck, a Porsche thread and I didn't see it?! Preposterous!

Here's my '82 SC on the track being dusty:


And here's what it sounds like when you're an idiot and put in a complete bypass (switching that out for new headers right now).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq59G7wuEHw

I also have a junky '83 944 spec car which I don't have very many pics of, and I used to have a 2000 911 and an '87 924S before that. I miss that 996.

996 HEADLIGHTS. LOVE THEM OR gently caress OFF.


I'm uh... something of a p-car fanboy. I'd be lying if I said I haven't spent way too much time thinking about selling all of my cars and picking up a 997 GT3.

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Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Motronic posted:

gently caress. Yeah.

That's a beautiful car. You have the proper wheels on it and everything. (Assuming 8's and 9's by the yeah/dish)

Thanks much! I'm not sure if they're original but they're model/year correct. I think they're actually 6 and 7s, I'm running 205/55r16s up front and 225/50r16s in back. The 8 inch rim was for the 930, I think, and those look dished like crazy.

Edit: God, who knows what wheels went where, nobody can keep track of all the options and packages that got different wheel sizes.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Motronic posted:

I thought the 911s of the same era with Fuchs were 1" larger on each end than the m030 high spec 944s (mine is 7/8). Some research says probably not.....but you're right about keeping track of option packages.

The crazy dish fuchs were the 9's and are basically unobtanium now:



Well I was wrong too, they're 7 and 8, not 6 and 7, just measured. Unfortunately someone replaced or repainted the hood and forgot to redo the options stickers but it did have one of the sport options--just not sure which one. Might be the wheels are original might be they're not.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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I don't know, aside from some quality issues the 996 really did have a better engine than the 993 and people still go on about arrggghhh air cooled!!!!

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Cross-posting from "What did you do to your ride today" because Porsche.

Angry air-cooled flat six with new headers and such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhWPfONFbnk

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Thanks guys, I'm a pretty happy camper.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Yeah, the plastic trim was peeling in my 996 and that looked bad enough--I can't imagine how grungy that would look with weird wood trim.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Bajaha posted:

Buy a silver one and pay a couple thousand for an obnoxious colored vinyl wrap?

I really really want need to own a Carrera 4S sometime in the future but current Porsche owners are crazy with their valuations. It looks like the best "value" for buying them is right after the initial depreciation hit before they level off because they'll "totally appreciate in value, just you see" (confirm/deny?)

It just means I'll have to wait longer to afford a newer one :(

And yeah, why does it seem like there's an overabundance of silver cars on the road? It's like the streets are monochrome, barely ever see any fun colors around locally, not only for Porsches but in general as well.

I think the 996 to 997 really messed with the used valuations. For a long time anyone who wanted a 911 wanted one from before 1998 or later than 2005. It was great if you wanted a cheap 996, but it's kept the 997 prices boosted since people are willing to pay a little extra for the desirability of them relative to the 996. Maybe there will be a little bit of appreciation relative to the 997 as people start to "settle" for the 996?

Sh4 posted:

Don't know about that but silver is the best color for 996's imo

Wrong. Speed Yellow. Fact.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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fknlo posted:

944 maintenance definitely includes the Porsche tax. You can save an insane amount of money if you can do any of the required wrenching yourself. From what I've read, the clutch is the probably the most painful maintenance item on them. If it was ever upgraded it's not an issue. Outside of that most work seems pretty reasonable and there are diy's for everything. Like someone else said, they made a lot of them, don't buy one that doesn't work for you. Like the one I looked at yesterday. The body was in way worse shape than I want to deal with.

Yeah I've been building a 944 for spec racing for ... too long now... and mechanically they're rather easy to work on. The clutch isn't difficult it just takes a long time since so much has to come out first. Parts are definitely expensive, though. I nearly had a heart attack when my friends broke a fuel pump on a chevy small block and picked one up at O'Reilly for $25. Those are $200+ for the 944 (mechanical vs. Bosch electrical).

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Motronic posted:

Which bring to mind......you need a spare DME relay in the globe box. Just go get one. Some day you'll be happy you did.

My 944 doesn't even have the original relays anymore (track car) and I still have a DME in my truck. Kind of a keepsake I guess.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Oh head studs, why couldn't you have been made of better materials 35 years ago?



Rebuilds are fun. :(

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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From what I hear the 993 studs work for it as well to good effect. Hard to say what it would take to cure the problem, though, can only wait another 30 years. :shrug:

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Jymmybob posted:

911s with the engine out like that always gives me the impression of it making GBS threads its guts out onto the floor which isn't far from the truth when you get to that point.

That's about how I felt when I was done, too. Especially since the clutch helper arm was seized on the fork shaft and did not want to let the engine pull away. Had to cut the helper spring in half and disassemble the mount to get it out. Which I realized only after about half an hour of yanking on the engine.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Are there any nice 944s left? Do they even exist? I feel like even the restored ones are just a little bit poo poo, now.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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CornHolio posted:

Don't you need a special Porsche tool to get the belt tensioned correctly? Or is it not that important?

Regardless, I might take you up on your offer to take a quick look at it. For the price it's probably going to be the best mechanically sound 944 I can find.

There's a tool available for proper tensioning of the belts through Arnnworx for $165. I have one that I use on my 944 spec car and it's both easy to use and has consistent results.

Really, the timing belt job is way easier than you might think. Sometimes the pulleys can be a bitch, but I think the most annoying part is getting the radiator in and out.

Edit: They also sell all the thin wrenches and whatnot you need for the job.

Dave Inc. fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Apr 20, 2017

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Jymmybob posted:

A bad idea while this exists https://cleveland.craigslist.org/ctd/6093292755.html

I'm really trying hard not to check it out because it's a cheap super early one in great condition.

I'm looking at that air intake and am just so confused. The original intake box and filter are still there...just covered with a plate...that the new intake sits on top of... What is this for? Was the owner just looking for something to do?

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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kimbo305 posted:

Went a little high for my taste. BaT effect, I guess: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-porsche-911-carrera-5/

Holy hell, almost $31k for 240,000 miles and that paint? My '82 has half that many miles, just had the engine rebuilt, full service history and the paint's only half as bad. Also ducktail coming up next week!

The values on these things, though, crikey.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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kimbo305 posted:

Well then sell it to me.

I don't know how much I would need to be offered to sell it but it's higher than I would admit to for fear of sounding like an idiot.

I love my baby.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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That rear plug is a little bit of a pain but you just need a long extension, maybe a wobble. I remember it being harder to get the wire off the plug than the plug out of the head.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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CornHolio posted:

Man...

Talked to the specialist shop that's working on my car, and they want to go all out replacing things.

[.....]

A small price to pay for peace of mind, I guess.

All of that is reasonably priced. Congratulations, now you understand why 944s are so cheap!

A lot of that is easily replaceable yourself, but you have to be comfortable using the Arnnworx belt tensioning tool (it's not so scary if you read the directions carefully).

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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CornHolio posted:

I dunno, I figure the receipt showing the work being done by a specialist is worth a certain amount.

Drove the car today, I notice a 'whirring' sound from the engine now. It almost sounds like a belt is too tight. I know the new timing belt has to be tensioned to nearly twice the tension of a used belt (4.0 vs 2.5 on the tool) so maybe it's that? He replaced all the idlers, tensioners and the drive belts too. Seems to drive fine, I've put about a hundred miles on it since he did the work.

Also, I really need to dig into the wiring diagrams on this car. I have a Haynes with the diagrams. So far, the following doesn't work: Rear wiper, rear defroster, front windshield washer, power mirrors, clock. Power locks don't work but the button is missing entirely. A/C doesn't work but that's probably separate. Noticed this morning I don't have heat either, not sure what the deal with that is - blower works fine. Need to dig further into it.

Almost certainly your balance shaft belt. When it's properly tensioned it is loose, and if you put proper tension to it it makes all sorts of noise.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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kimbo305 posted:

Hmm, some specialist.

I had a porsche specialist in Atlanta do the same thing with my old 924S. I wonder if the procedure for tensioning changed with a TSB way back when and some of these guys just thought "No thanks, too loose!"

Edit: I'd just say that a properly tensioned balance belt is very quiet. It's really easy to do and worth it, I think.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Just saw someone driving an early model boxster with Ferrari emblems at the front quarters. I don't understand.

kimbo305 posted:

Idling videos on cars with manual throttles require you to blip the throttle by hand while you're in there.

Truth.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Ducktail!

I've had it back a couple weeks but didn't have any photos until just recently, but I changed out the original whale tail I had for a ducktail on the 911. I think it looks killer, and I'm mostly happy with the paint considering the age and condition of the mostly original paint around the tail. I'll do a whole car respray later but for now it looks good enough.

I liked the original tail and I still have it, but ultimately I think it looks a lot cleaner and neater, which I'm big on. This one only has 50% the lift reduction as the whale tail but being the fastest guy through the corners is not the most important thing in the world.


http://imgur.com/ChJrlPj


http://imgur.com/ZxyhihI

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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It's a reproduction in fiberglass, took some building and shaping to fit right but the final product is pretty good. I'm not sure if factory originals are available anymore, but there are some shops that will take original metal decklids and bond fiberglass ducktails to them to match the OEM fit perfectly.

Just checked through rennlist, an original RS ducktail might be $5k+ now (I'll stick with the fiberglass!) and no more are being built.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Jymmybob posted:

Ducktails are awesome and it's too bad only the older 911s can pull it off. Did you have a whale on before or just the basic lid?

Whale tail. It's a factory one too so I'm holding on to it, but I prefer the much cleaner look with the duck.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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I really don't hear anything odd coming from that motor. What's the scary sound because it's not really coming through audio for me.

Oh, and an IMS would sound nothing like that. Think rattling chains in a metal bucket, and only heard for a few seconds before explosion.

Ether Frenzy posted:

That is a sweet car either way. Do you have any with Duck vs Whale in a similar angle?

Thanks! But oddly enough I don't have a shot that matches.

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Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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That rattling actually sounded like subdued afterfire out of the exhaust to me. The PPI should figure it out.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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2001 Porsche! Only 2,000 miles! Original tires!!!

Ffffuuuu

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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The vents aren't even included in the full leather. They have to be asked for specifically and they're not cheap. People are crazy and Porsche takes advantage.

As for the clutch, do yourself a favor and remove the assist spring on the clutch pedal. Removing it makes the clutch feel much more linear, if quite a lot heavier. You can also tie the clutch microswitch down as well so the car never backs off throttle response when you put the clutch in, makes down-shifting a lot smoother.

Well at least that's all for the 996 of that vintage, don't know if the turbo had similar spring/throttle mapping.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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astropika posted:

I don't know for sure, it had the accumulator replaced years ago. It holds pressure, I can depress the clutch plenty of times after the car has been off for several days and it's still boosted.

The engagement point is about halfway, where the spring used to trip over (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfjD4a_m900), which I gather is due to the boost meaning it's always going to start just where the pedal actuates the hydraulic line. I still have to listen and feel the engine to know when to balance with the gas, I turn the stereo down at lights :v.

It's difficult because I'm used to a cable hand clutch where I can feel everything, I can tell exactly how much slip I have through vibration and tension in the lever. I have no real benchmark for what a hydraulic clutch should feel like, particularly not one with this wacky boost system. A friend who's driven manuals his entire life (including several older 911s and a 987 cayman) has said this is the weirdest clutch he's ever used, like it's not connected to anything at all, just a pedal pushing against a spring, doing nothing.

Try driving a modern econobox with a manual. I was driving an Opel Meriva in Germany and I swore the gas pedal took more force than the clutch.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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God drat $16k? And at least with darker cars like that you can tint the eggy lights--it comes out pretty well.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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slidebite posted:

I know where you're coming from dude, but the sheer number of IMS retrokits with failed bearings is making me think the cure might be worse than the disease in a lot, if not most, cases. Only one I'd consider is The Solution.

"The Solution"???

And seriously are they starting to see failures on the IMS retrofits? I hadn't heard.

Edit: Oh, this? http://theimssolution.com/ Seems like the best way to go for sure.

Dave Inc. fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Oct 5, 2017

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Doesn't seem like it's so hard to do, if you already have the thing why wouldn't you do it?

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Yeah in my '00 C2 you had to pull the door handle twice to get out of the car. The first pull unlocks the doors, the second will let you open the door. Obviously if they're not locked it's just one pull.

I suddenly miss that car very much.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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slidebite posted:

I just found the first images in a Google search that weren't tiny, but yeah blue is pretty horrid. Either way even an early poverty spec 996 has an interior miles better than a 1991 944, I don't even think it's close.

Agreed. Even though I prefer the general look and style of the 944 interior, simple and clean lines vs. the 996's rounded everything, sitting in a 996 vs. sitting in a 944 is night and day. It's just so much more comfortable, so much. One of my fondest car memories of my 996 is sitting in slow traffic in the rain with the radio off. It was so perfectly cozy.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Brake light brake ducting. Word.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Oo I like how those harnesses are tucked away.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Anecdotal evidence points to garage queen 996s having more engine issues. Especially with the IMS.

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Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
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Bajaha posted:

I'm one of those wrong people who dislike the 996 and 986 interior, but it's mostly from pictures. I drove a friends 986 around a few years back and while it really bugged me in photos it was much more tolerable in person. I think you'd be able to get used to it without much trouble.

The 997 and 987 is an interior I really like though so I've been sticking to 987 boxsters for now, if you want a convertible I picked my last one up for $16k for an 08 base with mid 80k ish miles so they can be had fairly cheaply.

Yeah the 996 interior is perfectly fine when you're in it. And I'd rather be in that than a 968 for sure. I think I'd also rather work on the 996 than the 968. Plus it's a flat six, I mean c'mon.

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