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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

:eyepop:

that's hosed up

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
if people seeing a thin in a movie makes them subconsciously want to buy it then it's morally wrong even if it wasn't intended as a brand placement

much like if you watch a Michael Moore doco and it makes you angry at George bush that's immoral

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

qirex posted:

if you believe ads directly influence human behavior then the cancer link is easy since tons of advertising is for junk food and alcohol which are both linked to negative health outcomes including cancer when consumed in large quantities

isnt there clear evidence that they do

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

infernal machines posted:

i would tell you ads are linked to increased cancer rates if i could invent find a stat to back it up

if coke spends billions on ads to retain their position in the food chain, then ads have to work. they wouldnt bother otherwise


drinking soda is correlated with opbesity


do coke ads make people fat.. indirectly../

also those same companies have people on nutrition boards etc being the devils advocate against banning sugar etc so yeah


ads kill. apple ads in aprticular are the worst


the only ads that are good? microsoft ones

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yes you are reasonable for your actions but ads can make people do things they weren't going to do before

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
*hires a hitman to kill owrson*

"um I'm not guilty he was the one that killed the person im not responsible for his actions"

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
ads are morally repugnant

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
word of mouth


nah ads aren't inherently bad but using psychology to make people buy things they don't need or want is wrong, no?

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

pagancow posted:

but word of mouth is the most morally reprehensible ad since its the strongest influencer in a persons decision to buy/not to buy

yeah but word of mouth isn't propaganda. if someone likes someone genuinely and tells someone and they buy it that's acceptable, it's based in reality and good things will sell better

ads have none of this. the worst things in the world can have amazing ads and people buy them without needing them



in an unrelated note have u seen that movie keeping up with jonaes or something with Demi Moore and David xfiles

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

pagancow posted:

but what if the new apple thing came out today and you had no idea because marketing and branding and advertising was all illegal, you could never be shown a thing that you could buy because it would sully your brain with thoughts that you cant control

people would still be happy wit iPhone 4 if no newer iPhone came out

new ahit makes people unhappy

didn't you learn anything when you were a Buddhist

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I bought something I didn't want to - something pagancow thinks is good

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yeah but ads coerce others into buying things they don't need or work

ads aren't simply pieces of information about a products pros and cons . they are tools designed to subvert your psyche into doing things you otherwise wouldn't want to do

"mcdonalds has a new burger" - an ok ad

*flashing lights and hypnotism show you juicy burgers until your dopamine is flowing and you're hungry for a Big Maca* - immoral ad

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
not really

but you're being dishonest if you say advertising is just a form
of letting the public be
informed. I mean it could be that but not


it's like rom Swanson would make a good ad "this phone was built with good tools and time and effort was out into it. there are no gimmicky features. buy it or not"

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
the only good add is the asian girl with the tube of toothpaste

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

theadder posted:

do end up surrounded by tubes

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

theadder posted:

gimme another got one 4 yahweh???

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
no deturcl you dont get it. he means the background. not the cans

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