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I have already begun stockpiling pallets of bottled water in anticipation of the Water Wars.
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 Water can be obtained by melting ice!
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Mar 7, 2015 07:54
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Analyzing the poll is a little tricky because I just realized that 2 of the options are basically the same answer. "Normal" and "There will be lots of water to drink" are equivalent so it's actually about over 55% people think that the drinkable water supply will be OK. Still, there's almost one third of people who think there's going to be lots of trouble!Mr. Pool posted:We'll all be fine (in the west) once we get our heads out of our asses and start using nuclear fission for industrial scale desalination of ocean water, just like those gulf countries do. The solution is to literally boil the ocean. Can we really boil the ocean? Do we know for sure we haven't reached the 'end of the desalinization tech-tree'? (Nice relevant username!) Smudgie Buggler posted:There will be very nearly exactly the same amount of water on Earth as there is now. I forgot to say "Drinkable available water" in the topic and original post but that's what I meant. It doesn't need to leave the planet it just needs to somehow be hoarded by government or corporations or one powerful person.
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Mar 7, 2015 09:40
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katlington posted:
Does this mean global warming is actually a good thing for our water supply?
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Mar 7, 2015 09:41
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Hey kids, do you like Star Wars? Let me tell you about the exciting prospects in moisture farming...
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Mar 7, 2015 10:15
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We already can drink seawater the process to make it drinkable is merely too expensive to make most places consider doing it rather than draining the local aquifer for pennies. They are building a desalination plant in California and the estimates are that water from it (which can support 10% of the local water-need) is 80% more expensive than the water shipped in from the colorado river basin. There are other places that already use the technology, but it's universally because logistically speaking they don't have any other choice. Once again the bottom line is in the way of progress.
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Mar 7, 2015 10:54
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Nathilus posted:We already can drink seawater the process to make it drinkable is merely too expensive to make most places consider doing it rather than draining the local aquifer for pennies. They are building a desalination plant in California and the estimates are that water from it (which can support 10% of the local water-need) is 80% more expensive than the water shipped in from the colorado river basin. There are other places that already use the technology, but it's universally because logistically speaking they don't have any other choice. Once again the bottom line is in the way of progress. Yeah it's important to remember that "we can't do x" usually means "we can't do x at the current price, but the new price might not be too much higher than today".
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Mar 7, 2015 15:16
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the saudis/quataris/emirates are already on it: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-23/saudis-start-production-at-world-s-biggest-desalination-plant basically you just follow the solar cost curve out another few decades and use it to boil the ocean edit: oh the yids too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#Israel quote:By 2014, Israel's desalination programs provided roughly 35% of Israel's drinking water and it is expected to supply 40% by 2015 and 70% by 2050.[112] StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 15:34
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StabbinHobo posted:edit: oh the yids too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination#Israel Don't do that.
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Mar 7, 2015 19:11
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If you aren't already bottling your piss you're basically dead. Edit: I've lived in Arizona most of my life and water conservation is emphasized in PSAs and school from a very young age. This video made me extremely uncomfortable as a result: Could This One Simple Trick Stop The Global Pollution Problem? Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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Mar 7, 2015 21:29
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The averall watr in the hearth will be the exact same amount, the issue here is that there will be not enough with clean and drinkable water
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Mar 7, 2015 21:35
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:I'd like to borrow $200M
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RattiRatto posted:The averall watr in the hearth will be the exact same amount, the issue here is that there will be not enough with clean and drinkable water
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Mar 7, 2015 21:55
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The problem is not the turning water into pee, but is rather the fact that the water get polluted by some kind of oil refinery before you drink it. So far only cars can drink some kind of refinment of black water
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Mar 7, 2015 22:00
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RattiRatto posted:watr It's okay, the new app watr will disrupt drought and provide water to thirsty people with one tap
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Mar 8, 2015 05:37
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I drink coke.
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Mar 8, 2015 06:07
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Potable water will, particularly in developed countries, be just as available then as it is now. It's just going to cost a lot more, which will jack up the prices of everything else, such as food.
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Mar 14, 2015 16:29
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We need to find some way to make the water supply less reliant on the government. Perhaps we could sell the rights to Water(tm) to Nestlé and possibly incorporating blockchain technology so there is an anonymous public ledger of how much water each person has.
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Mar 14, 2015 17:13
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Dude, you are like 70 percent water, don't worry about it!
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Mar 14, 2015 17:14
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My bedroom flooded because my grandpa got too much toilet water on his bathroom floor. I wish his water were more scarce hahahah. Really though general consensus seems to be everything will be alright in regards do being able to drink water. Thanks
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Mar 14, 2015 23:57
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Frykte posted:My bedroom flooded because my grandpa got too much toilet water on his bathroom floor. I wish his water were more scarce hahahah. Really though general consensus seems to be everything will be alright in regards do being able to drink water. Thanks Haha. "SURE IS COLD THIS WINTER" screams the global warming denier into the faceless storm. But it's correct in the case. Unless we somehow manage to pollute all the worlds oceans to the point that they can no longer take their proper part in the world's water cycles, we'll be fine due to desalination. It's merely expensive, not undoable. That said it isn't looking good for inland cities in many parts of the world. Here in San Antonio and Austin for instance, we're only set to see slightly drier weather in the coming decades but we've already close to capped out our use of the local and very tasty edwards aquifer. It's a limestone sub-aquifer which means in everyday parlance that it owns fuckin' bones, but almost every summer now we use it right down to the red line of springs and poo poo drying up. Luckily we have environmental regulations (yes I know most texans won't believe this. its fine, gently caress you) that protect an endangered species of... I think its algae or something? Not sure.... anyway it lives in the springs that would dry up. So we kick in pretty hardcore regulations when that's about to happen. But the bad news is that the population of the areas that use the aquifer are still growing with no signs of slowing down. Meanwhile, pretty much everywhere north of here up to what is REALLY loving cold in canada at the moment is set to experience significantly drier weather. Unless we develop free, instant water transporting technology its going to necessarily involve either significant amounts of money or significant population movement. But keep in mind, this is not unique in the history of humanity. Our understanding of climate change's effect on history is certainly no where near complete, but we know of at least several large-scale events that have required similar levels of change to societies. The hope is that with more mobile populations and modern planning/technology we can avoid the worst kinds of consequences like millions of people dying.
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Nathilus posted:Haha. "SURE IS COLD THIS WINTER" screams the global warming denier into the faceless storm. But it's correct in the case. Unless we somehow manage to pollute all the worlds oceans to the point that they can no longer take their proper part in the world's water cycles, we'll be fine due to desalination. It's merely expensive, not undoable. That said it isn't looking good for inland cities in many parts of the world. Well yeah, settling in deserts and near-deserts is pretty stupid.
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Mar 15, 2015 00:37
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Nintendo Kid posted:Well yeah, settling in deserts and near-deserts is pretty stupid. That's not so much the issue here. It's that formerly moderately wet places are going to be turning into near-deserts. There are other currently dry places that are also going to get wetter, but thats up north where the population is currently thin. These places that are going to be drying up include the current breadbasket of america.
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Mar 15, 2015 00:50
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Is there going to be lots of people moving from dry places to wet places?? Will there be places that become too wet because of global warming?
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Nathilus posted:That's not so much the issue here. It's that formerly moderately wet places are going to be turning into near-deserts. There are other currently dry places that are also going to get wetter, but thats up north where the population is currently thin. These places that are going to be drying up include the current breadbasket of america. If you live somewhere where you've had to rely on fossil aquifers heavily, you likely do not reside somewhere that would have been considered "moderately wet" by an ecologist within living memory.  Lots of texas is straight up dry, or on the borders of dry and acceptable, with excessive human population quickly reducing it to unsustainable long term. I posted a full desertificiation risk map earlier in the thread, much of Texas is "moderate risk" or even already dry on there Plus even the cities that have decent local rainfall, they don't have the far planned ahead water setups that places like NYC have, where the city owns and controls vast amounts of land elsewhere in their general area for long-distance supply, which ties with heavy restrictions on development in those area.
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Mar 15, 2015 01:07
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You know that most of the water you need goes to growing your food, right? Like, a serious, dramatic water shortage would manifest as starving to death, not not being able to drink anything.
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Mar 15, 2015 01:26
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Haha well let's just say you should start taking big sips while you can OP.
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Mar 15, 2015 01:29
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ikanreed posted:You know that most of the water you need goes to growing your food, right? It wouldn't, much of the US' food growing in dry areas is strictly excess or even for export. Hell simply stopping corn ethanol growth would mean a ton less water usage.
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ikanreed posted:You know that most of the water you need goes to growing your food, right? Counterpoint: Not the food that I personally eat, as I live mostly on Ensure™ meal replacement shakes. Water is more important than food and it's better to starve to death than dehydrate to death.
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Mar 15, 2015 01:31
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stuff like this too http://aerofarms.com/why/technology/ you'll pine for the good old days of ensure after a few years of aeroponic bean curd
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Mar 15, 2015 02:13
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Living in the UK we have WAY TOO MUCH WATER like all the time the water is falling out of the sky lol. it never stops doing it its like living under a big waterfall all the time except sometimes in winter where it turns into bits of ice falling out of the sky instead. if you would like to have some of our water you can but please take it before it falls out of the sky so i can get dry thankyou and god bless.
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Nintendo Kid posted:If you live somewhere where you've had to rely on fossil aquifers heavily, you likely do not reside somewhere that would have been considered "moderately wet" by an ecologist within living memory. If you try to call San Antonio/Austin "desert" or "near-desert" you're an idiot. It's in the green area of that map and gets 30 inches average annual precipitation. That's more than Kansas, for instance, and pretty much the same as the wet parts of michigan. It's not the wettest place in the US but it's certainly not bone dry. Use of fossil aquifers is not indicative of how hosed a place is: many places like here keep their recharge zones empty and use them similarly to ground-level water holding areas. It's true that excessive human habitation plus the likely drop in local precipitation means bad things in the future but your posts do not string together to form a coherent argument.
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Your water belongs to the tribe. Not wearing your stillsuit just because we have water now is the height of arrogance (plus you'll want it to be broken in properly when Shai-Halud comes)
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Nathilus posted:If you try to call San Antonio/Austin "desert" or "near-desert" you're an idiot. It's in the green area of that map and gets 30 inches average annual precipitation. That's more than Kansas, for instance, and pretty much the same as the wet parts of michigan. It's not the wettest place in the US but it's certainly not bone dry. Use of fossil aquifers is not indicative of how hosed a place is: many places like here keep their recharge zones empty and use them similarly to ground-level water holding areas. It's true that excessive human habitation plus the likely drop in local precipitation means bad things in the future but your posts do not string together to form a coherent argument. Not to defend nintendo kid or anything but when you're talking about water availability you also have to account for evaporation, which is in large part a function of heat. So comparing two places, one with an average temperature of 68.7°, and another with an average of 42.8°F, even if rainfall is identical there's going to be a lot more water available in the place averaging 42.8
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Squalid posted:Not to defend nintendo kid or anything but when you're talking about water availability you also have to account for evaporation, which is in large part a function of heat. So comparing two places, one with an average temperature of 68.7°, and another with an average of 42.8°F, even if rainfall is identical there's going to be a lot more water available in the place averaging 42.8 No doubt. There are also other factors at play like the water retention of the soil and porosity of the underlying strata. Nintendo Kid's argument probably holds water (tee hee) when you're talking about irrigating the Californian central plains for commercial use, for instance; but my posts have been dealing with a separate category of hosed: places that might have enough water to exist sustainably now, but almost certainly will not in future.
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Arrakis. Dune.
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Frykte posted:How scarce will water be when I'm old? Let's say 2050. I'd put more effort into my OP but I don't know anything about scarcity but I thought it'd be a good topic. Thanks. Darkman Fanpage posted:I have already begun stockpiling pallets of bottled water in anticipation of the Water Wars. quote:Here’s the issue: between 2006 and 2011, the eastern 60 percent of Syria experienced “the worst long-term drought and most severe set of crop failures since agricultural civilizations began in the Fertile Crescent many millennia ago,” forcing 200,000 Syrians off the land (out of 22 million total in Syria) and causing them to abandon 160 towns entirely (source). In one region in 2007-2008, 75% of farmers suffered total crop failure, while herders in the northeast lost up to 85% of their flocks, which affected 1.3 million people (source). Assad’s policies exacerbated the problem. His administration subsidized for water-intensive crops like wheat and cotton, and promoted bad irrigation techniques (source. I’m still looking for a description of what those bad irrigation techniques were.). Israel abandoned Gaza when the aquifers underneath the Gaza strip became too saline/polluted to support growing food crops. The "security barrier" follows the borders of the underground aquifer which is why it doesn't follow any above-ground terrain feature.
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Nintendo Kid posted:That doesn't make it not a desert, it's merely a desert on the coastline. You get just 10 inches of rain a year, many large desert regions in the US get up to 12 inches a year. San Diego is only "semi-arid" and the word "desert" only appears once on its wikipedia page talking about deserts beyond nearby mountains 
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Can the government take all the water or perhaps control humans so they can't get to the water?
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Frykte posted:Can the government take all the water or perhaps control humans so they can't get to the water? Dude it's the government, all they'd have to do is declare that water is a drug and buying water on the black market supports terrorism.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Dude it's the government, all they'd have to do is declare that water is a drug and buying water on the black market supports terrorism. Can't we just rebel about this? But maybe when I'm 50 years old the government will have most of the majority of guns guided by aritifical intelligence that's what Im concerned about.
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