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Think I've still got my Shaman carting around the bow from the first stratum with Aegis Prayer. I forged that poo poo up while playing the demo, (I think) yet it saves me spending any skill points on Aegis Prayer, and even benefits from Prayer Mastery. I finally found the Master Key while delivering lunches for Jenetta, I assume the enemies/FOEs behind the sealed doors are roughly equivalent to 18-19F?
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Rangpur posted:Think I've still got my Shaman carting around the bow from the first stratum with Aegis Prayer. I forged that poo poo up while playing the demo, (I think) yet it saves me spending any skill points on Aegis Prayer, and even benefits from Prayer Mastery.
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Well I don't plan to fight any of the FOEs if I can help it. Only reason I survived fighting the turtle is that it just never used its charge-and-TPK attack. Still took like 30 turns to kill though because I didn't have a way to dispell Shell Guard either.
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theshim posted:Some of them are really nasty at that level, but yeah. This shouldn't be understated. The 2nd stratum ones, particularly, will mercilessly gently caress you up if you give them any opportunity to do so (or mishandle their mechanics)! E: Rangpur posted:Well I don't plan to fight any of the FOEs if I can help it. Only reason I survived fighting the turtle is that it just never used its charge-and-TPK attack. Still took like 30 turns to kill though because I didn't have a way to dispell Shell Guard either. When I fought the turtle, I found you had a few turns between shell guard falling off and him recasting it where you could just go full-ham on the bastard. Did I simply get lucky with the AI? The Duchess Smackarse fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Jimmy Hats posted:This shouldn't be understated. The 2nd stratum ones, particularly, will mercilessly gently caress you up if you give them any opportunity to do so (or mishandle their mechanics)! Typically enemies (especially FOEs and bosses) that buff themselves like that have a cooldown on the buffs so that they don't get stuck doing nothing all battle. And from what it looks like, those turtles do indeed have such a cooldown built into their AI.
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Secret area encounters have got nothing to do with levels and stuff - they all have some kind of gimmick associated with them.
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I got my rear end kicked by the hippogriff a couple of times. My levels are fine, I was running with dragoon/bind-focused pugilist/botanist/warlock/hound rover. I couldn't reliably bind the head or stop the wing shield and kept running out of steam around when it starts lightning storms every turn. I was thinking of swapping out the rover and botanist for a shaman and harbinger to put out more damage and disables, but IDK if that's going to work and I'm not sure I want to grind up some levels on something that won't work. Do you think I should just respec my existing party?
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Secret area encounters have got nothing to do with levels and stuff - they all have some kind of gimmick associated with them. Yeah, but even when you handle their gimmick properly the fire squirrels hit pretty dang hard. E: to say nothing of the megavolt ones, whom i had to buy volt accessories just to survive the ambush from!
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Jimmy Hats posted:Yeah, but even when you handle their gimmick properly the fire squirrels hit pretty dang hard. I used a killing bow to negate the ambush. No matter which EO it is, squirrels are evil, and a massive pain.
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I downloaded the EOV demo even though I'm still pushing through IV (On the Fourth Land, though, so I assume I'm nearing endgame.) because I got curious. All the classes seem really fun this time around and only picking five out of the ten for a main party is going to be a nightmare.
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LordHippoman posted:I downloaded the EOV demo even though I'm still pushing through IV (On the Fourth Land, though, so I assume I'm nearing endgame.) because I got curious. I picked all. Muahahaha
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So, uh, how do I unlock the superboss? I'm at the last floor, and there's really nowhere to go.
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Grand Gigas posted:So, uh, how do I unlock the superboss? I'm at the last floor, and there's really nowhere to go. You can enter teleports from left and right.
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NVM beat the hippogryph by pumping volt smash to absurd levels.
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Oh, poo poo. Nice. Can't wait to own this dude.
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Harrow posted:A couple of the postgame fights are hilarious because they're like gifts for specific party comps. Got a disable-heavy party where you can deal a ton of damage to disabled enemies (Chain Killer, Leading Blow, Frigid Reap, etc.)? Have fun laughing your rear end off as you completely demolish Dryad. It was glorious. I loved it. Edit: So for chain advice. How many attacks can go off chain wise in one turn? Assuming you have an incredibly optimal party for triggering chains. For defense sake, assume the enemy is fully bound / panicked / unable to move. A chainer, with chain plus and chain double, dodge tank for deft thrust + sylphid, warlork, bow user 1 (probably a shaman), pugalist for overexertion (use oils / thunder fist / prayers to trigger chains). Oh and for the parts boss you can have chain all + mass area stab attack Blademaster_Aio fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Blademaster_Aio posted:So for chain advice. For single-target, it's something like:
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Okay thanks. I'm thinking of making a chain team, and using resonance, but every team I make just ends up being some kind of hybrid team. I already chain killed a post game boss to death. Also, it is stupid that the chainer gets speed boost and the dodge tank doesn't.
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I think chains are the most fun they've ever been in EOV, really. There's not a ton of setup required and the kind of party that can do well with chains is pretty flexible. My party isn't perfect for elemental chains--my front liners, other than the Fencer, are a Harbinger and a Pugilist--but great for Chain Killer, and my Shaman can help cover up if I need to rely on elemental chains. The Harbinger can proc Chain Freeze with Frigid Reap, and the Pugilist can just use a Shaman's elemental buff and normally punch things. If the enemy resists ice, the Harbinger can use an elemental buff instead and the Pugilist can use Thunder Fist. And finally there's a Warlock, who obviously has no issues triggering chains. It's a fun setup. Chain Killer deletes threatening enemies in random battles really quickly, and combined with Overexertion and some good ailment/bind luck is pretty good at taking out FOEs before I need to fall back on elemental chains at all. We'll see how this group does against bosses soon, though going by some videos I've seen, I won't be disappointed.
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Is it worth putting points into summoning a hawk if I've gone all in on a doggy just for the attacks and head binds? I've gotten halfway through the 5th stratum without needing a bird pal but I was curious if there was any value in just summoning the other pet.
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Not once you're in the 5th stratum probably. Early on having both is extremely useful but eventually the other is gonna be too weak to be useful and it's not worth putting a ton of points in.
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help I have five harbingers the attack command is my only true friend
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oh for gently caress's sake
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Nearing the end of the third stratum with Cannon Dragoon| Barrage Pugilist | Omni Warlock | Hawk Rover | Herald Shaman. Currently my shaman is my only source of healing, but I have not touched the Dance Oracle side of his tree at all. Will I eventually need Benevolence and Split Spirits or can Gospel, Appease Spirits, and Heaven's Gift do the trick? Edit: I have a few points in Animal Therapy too. Yas fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Regy Rusty posted:Not once you're in the 5th stratum probably. Early on having both is extremely useful but eventually the other is gonna be too weak to be useful and it's not worth putting a ton of points in. Eh, I'd argue there's value in a single point just for the extra chance that an FOE wastes an attack slapping the bird, since you can pre-summon it before the battle.
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Yas posted:Nearing the end of the third stratum with Cannon Dragoon| Barrage Pugilist | Omni Warlock | Hawk Rover | Herald Shaman. Currently my shaman is my only source of healing, but I have not touched the Dance Oracle side of his tree at all. Will I eventually need Benevolence and Split Spirits or can Gospel, Appease Spirits, and Heaven's Gift do the trick? I'm running fencer, drag, fencer, drag, herald shaman and have had zero issues with healing. I'm on floor 20, myself. I will say I did put 5 points into the 'heal while walking' skill (I forget it's name) and do a fair bit of my healing outside of battles. I also have the benefit of having a much tankier party than you, so I can't say for certain you won't need more healing later.
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Yas posted:Nearing the end of the third stratum with Cannon Dragoon| Barrage Pugilist | Omni Warlock | Hawk Rover | Herald Shaman. Currently my shaman is my only source of healing, but I have not touched the Dance Oracle side of his tree at all. Will I eventually need Benevolence and Split Spirits or can Gospel, Appease Spirits, and Heaven's Gift do the trick? Your current set-up is pretty disable- and offense-heavy, so you should be fine for the third stratum boss assuming you deal with his gimmick properly. Head and Arm binds from the Pugilist, Rover, and/or the Chain Blast Union really shut down most of his really scary abilities, so capitalize on that time to do as much damage as possible. That said, Split Spirits can make for some pretty impressive healing for a more offense-oriented party. 5 points gets you 50% damage done as healing for 6 TP, which is always a bonus as the TP cost of the prayer skills can really sap your longevity in longer dungeon crawls and mitigates a need to keep spending TP on buffs every fight to get Gospel/Appease Spirits passive healing rolling.
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Benevolence is really great, too. It's not a ton of healing, but it basically just takes 20-40 damage off every hit your party takes (any hit that doesn't kill the target, at least) by healing it back immediately. It's great combined with Vitality Prayer and Aegis Prayer for overall defense. It's good stuff.
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Trying to turn a shaman into an effective healer is a skill point black hole. Try pairing one up with a deathguard. Atonement covers the healing and the shaman can help ephemeral reap, it's a cute little duo that I find work really well together.
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Jimmy Hats posted:Eh, I'd argue there's value in a single point just for the extra chance that an FOE wastes an attack slapping the bird, since you can pre-summon it before the battle. I mean I had 4 points in the Hound but by the fifth stratum I just stopped bothering summoning it. It died as soon as something sneezed at it and it wasn't worth repeatedly spending 25 TP on it.
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theshim posted:help I have five harbingers Rangpur posted:oh for gently caress's sake
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I took a little break from EOV. I think the FOE puzzles just wear on me a little, and there's lots of them. It doesn't help that I'm still figuring out what works well. My chain party seems to be doing well at least. I kinda wanna try a harbringer with something, but I dunno. It's fun reading what others are getting up to.
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Aerofallosov posted:I took a little break from EOV. I think the FOE puzzles just wear on me a little, and there's lots of them. It doesn't help that I'm still figuring out what works well. My chain party seems to be doing well at least. I kinda wanna try a harbringer with something, but I dunno. It's fun reading what others are getting up to. 
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theshim posted:why just one You're a real hero. I'm eyeballing a Fencer solo run... I wonder if it's possible? --- In other news, killed 4th stratum boss on the 2nd go. He surprised me the first time by using clear breath 3 times in a row. Cheeky bastard. Is anyone else having hardware slowdowns on the 5th stratum? I'm on a New3DS XL and getting a bit of lag in open areas with the 3D on. It goes away if I turn the 3D off but what sort of villain would play the game that way? It was messing with my eyes having it turned off.
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theshim posted:why just one Because I am not on your level.  I think part of it is the game's so new, I can't look up good skills and things like I could for IV and stuff. Also, some FOE puzzles I suck at.
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God the fire squirrels are such a dick move I can't even be angry about it. There doesn't actually seem to be anything of interest in the area though? Except for that one chest I'm not planning to open until I buy volt charms for everyone and the ambush preventing bow for my Shaman.
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Rangpur posted:God the fire squirrels are such a dick move I can't even be angry about it. There doesn't actually seem to be anything of interest in the area though? Except for that one chest I'm not planning to open until I buy volt charms for everyone and the ambush preventing bow for my Shaman. Not that I found, but I didn't go far because of those squirrels. I'm still fighting the urge to swap to my chain party or go try and see what a Harbringer do and what works with them.
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Rangpur posted:God the fire squirrels are such a dick move I can't even be angry about it. There doesn't actually seem to be anything of interest in the area though? Except for that one chest I'm not planning to open until I buy volt charms for everyone and the ambush preventing bow for my Shaman. The squirrels drop good materials
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There's a free Ariadne thread in a chest at the end. 
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