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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:

I wish there was more of Kilgrave unconsciously controlling people. Like when he told his bodyguard "say hello (whatever his name was)" and the bodyguard literally said "hello (whatever)" then looked confused at why he did that, followed by Kilgrave sighing.

I do like that they didn't try to go the "sympathetic villain" route with him even though they hinted at it a few times. Purple Man is just an immoral bastard.

They did hint at it then it was just a poor me, I am the victim act. He was just a complete bastard.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

notthegoatseguy posted:

I know Matthew Cox said his contract said he is obligated to appear on the feature side if Marvel asks. I would assume Ritter and Coulter's contract say similar things.

But thematically, I think both Jess and Luke are a long way away from even appearing in the Defenders, which is the most non-team team in the Marvel Universe. They started as someone who kept their heads down and weren't heroes, kept getting hosed over every time they tried. They have no reason to stick their necks out on this.

I am going to assume it will have something to do with IGH as they might be responsible for all or most of their powers. I forget did they show whose chemicals that blinded Matt were?

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

zoux posted:

I think they showed other experiments but I'm not sure it was the Kilgraves doing it. They said that his powers were a side effect of trying to treat a life-threatening disorder.

Surely IGH isn't going to end up being behind JJ, Nuke, Luke Cage and Kilgrave right? That would be quite a coincidence.

Yeah I have a feeling that IGH will be working with the super soldier serum and that's what caused these powers. It might also be behind Daredevil.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

zoux posted:

Was Nuke in the comics developed by Dept. H/Weapon X?

Yep he was part of Weapon plus program

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

The Sharmat posted:

Yeah which is why Jessica is the protagonist and not Simpson or Hogarth or whoever in ascending order of hosed up and power obsessed.

Edit: Mostly agreeing. Just saying Simpson's actions I think are ultimately coming from the same place of fear and violation that Jessica's are and that even if he handles it worse he deserved a bit more pity than he got. Granted, they were very busy.

I also got that Jessica was trying to help Hope, while Simpsons just wanted vengeance for what happened to him. It was a real you gently caress with me I will gently caress with you.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Hollismason posted:

Yeah it makes sense, I just felt it was a bit contrived. He had reason enough to stay away from Kilgrave ,but it wasn't to terrible.The fact that they are not introducing Shang Chi at some point makes me sad.

You'd think that Marvel making a Shang Chi film for the Chinese market would be a priority for them ,but nope.

Copy right issue due to Fu Manchu issues

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

NecroMonster posted:

Anyway, I know exactly why Luke left.

Nurse lady's (forgot her name) talk to Luke at the end was dead spot on, dude realized he's got some poo poo to work through, and left to do that.

Luke isn't exactly the most complicated of people, in fact he's about the most level headed guy around, it's part of what makes him a good and/or fun character. Sane and stable man in an insane world.

So I'm just going to assume he's left to do what he has to do.

Also has to work out how much of his feelings for Jessica and how much were Kilgrave. He also found out how his wife died and he was banging a person involved with it. He also has that disk to investigate, but more importantly he has to get his money. Honey.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Accretionist posted:

Whaaaat? Jessica's plans were so bad that Hope literally killed herself to get her to knock the poo poo off. At which point she went off to do what Simpson was trying to do all along, which was kill the magically unarrestable serial killer on a permanent spree.

Jessica's collateral damage from saving Kilgrave's life over and over was straight up tragi-comic.

Her plan in which she did capture him? It was going to work until Jeri hosed it up.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Comrade Fakename posted:

I was pretty disappointed with this. It was significantly worse than Daredevil.
 
Why couldn't Jessica beat those guards when she got Kilgrave in the van? She's got super strength, a few goons should be no trouble.
 
Jessica also has many many opportunities to take out Kilgrave that are ignored just to continue the story. When Kilgrave was bloviating in the police station, she could have slammed his mouth shut at any time, and then snapped his neck, ending the danger immediately and providing a station full of cops as witnesses to prove Hope's innocence. Didn't happen. She could have brought the sedative with her and just stabbed Kilgrave with the needle when she met him outside her house.
 

Compared to the magisterial Fisk, Kilgrave was completely 2-dimensional. "Childish, selfish sociopath" describes his entire character. That's it. The lesbian lawyer drama pretty much went nowhere. Drug addict/social worker guy was whiny and forgettable.
There was essentially no reason why Jessica was immune to mind control other than plot convenience, and it was ridiculous that she couldn't work out she was immune when she was disobeying commands in her own flashback.
 

She was being tasered a bunch
You mean when she said that if she touched him all the cops would kill themselves? The whole point was she was unwilling to have others die.
I am pretty sure she used the rest of the sedative at that point so she had none left.
The lesbian lawyers were important to the things that happened in the last act and showed that some people can be as bad as Kilgrave.
The Drug Addict social worker was important for Jessica to realize that she had people that she could count on and were loyal to her. It was also a huge gently caress you to Jessica as he took the person she saved and ruined his life.
She did not realize that as she literally killed a person and then he was hit by a bus, so she assumed that was the reason why.

bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Nov 24, 2015

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Shageletic posted:

Catching up with the thread and I just have to completely disagree with this. The sex scenes were ABSOLUTELY necessary, and told so much by body language and tone. LIke Jessica having to turn around because it was getting to emotional (soooo much better than how it came across in the comics) and the general sense of control and agency evinced by the women having it.

Sex is a huge part of life, and I'm glad that there's finally a show that bothers spelling it out, rather than having it come from a purient place.

They were also important as its one of the few times that she can let lose with her power that has positive ramification as before it was all tied in with Kilgrave. They were also completely inversed when her and Luke fought at the end.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Comrade Fakename posted:

Well, as I mentioned, it was ridiculous that she couldn't work out that she was immune. But, all I'm talking about is her acting fast to incapacitate Kilgrave before he can talk. Of course, Jessica actually does this when she sticks him with the needle during the chinese meal in her house.


1) It ended with her being tasered a bunch, she had plenty of opportunities before that to clobber those guys with the super powers the writers forgot she had.
2) I don't think he said they'd kill themselves if she touched him. I felt it was a pretty good assumption that they would only kill themselves on Kilgrave's command. Even then, there's a chance that if she works fast enough (she is a superhero) she can kill him before triggers are pulled, and worst case scenario is that anyone not having a gun pointing at them survives and fewer people still die overall.
3) She had plenty, she took two or more bottles and only used one syringe, and even used another syringe on him later.
4) The aborted foetus was not important at all, it could have been edited out completely and you wouldn't have noticed. "Some people can be as bad as Kilgrave" could have been demonstrated in a plot that actually went somewhere.
5) He was important to the story, and Jessica's character, but that doesn't change the fact that he was whiney and forgettable.
6) The flashback represented Jessica's memory of the event. In the flashback we clearly see (hear) that Kilgrave gives Jessica commands that she doesn't follow. Jessica had plenty of time to consider that memory, and in fact we saw the flashback multiple times (representing her remembering it).

A lot, maybe all, of these criticisms are very nitpicky and even petty. Similar things happen in other TV shows and films all the time. Jessica Jones' problem is that there are simply so many of them.

Oh, another thing - a lot of people have commented that Simpson's character is meant to be a takedown of "toxic masculinity" or whatever. I think that's probably true. But it's undermined by the fact that until he starts taking those pills, he's 100% right about everything. If he'd been able to go along with his bomb plan, the outcome would have been much better for every single character on the show, and far fewer people would have died.

1) Or she pulled her punches since she thought they were innocent victims being controlled by Kilgrave.
2) A bunch would have still died and she was trying to prevent that and she thought he could control her.
4) Only it made all the events of the final season to occur.
6) She did not like thinking about it and most of the time was blocking it out with booze. We only saw pieces of it, and it was not until she realized that he could not control her it dawned on her.

You know besides Hope, and Jessica would have to live with the fact that she was responsible for an innocent being in jail.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Gyges posted:

Comic Killgrave is comic villainous. Netflix Killgrave is a selfish, egotistical, monster that largely hurts others through callous disregard as opposed to design. Hope is the only planned victim of some sort of complex machination in the series. Everyone else is just someone Killgrave destroyed on a whim and without a second thought or were his parents. Comic Killgrave didn't even give it a second thought when Jessica escaped his control, while Netflix Killgrave obsessed over it.

I thought Malcolm was a planned victim. He was the first person she saved and he got him hooked on drugs so he could take photos of Jessica.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
We know she does have her PI license. Its mentioned that all her fees and paperwork are up to date.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

The Sharmat posted:

Nah the exchange is something like

Jessica: I'm pregnant

Knock-off Antman: Oh. Not mine?

Jessica: No.

Knock-off Antman: Well, was nice knowing you.

This is one of the few comics I've actually read within a decade so this is a novelty for me.

He then gets killed by Bendis in Avengers Dissassembled. That is also Scott Lang which is the one that more people know now.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

BJPaskoff posted:

- the only thing I can see happening is something in a future plotline with the aborted fetus's stem cells. I bet anything someone else is going to use that dangling plot thread, especially since the scientist dad mentioned stem cells, and stem cells = voodoo fetus science to most people.

How is that dangling? The father uses it all to boost his sons power.

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