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Spoilers for the entire season: Romance: My girlfriend watched a handful of episodes with me, including the one where Matt and Karen had their date and remarked that they had no chemistry and I have to say, them as a couple, I agree. I just didn't buy any of it. On the other hand, I thought they nailed the Elektra/Matt relationship and thought they had excellent chemistry Punisher: Great intro 4-5 episodes but I felt a lot of the other twists and double twists involving the conspiracy surrounding his family's death was just not necessary and only served to vaguely tie him back into the main plot near the end. I kind of hope a Punisher series would expand on Blacksmith but I kind of doubt that'll happen. I also am not sure how I feel about his alliance with the Kingpin, though maybe Frank hasn't gone full Punisher yet. I think later in life, Frank would've attempted to kill Wilson without a moment's thought. The Hand/Elektra: Man, Nubo really got the Marvel Cinematic Universe Villain treatment this time around. He was uninspiring
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coyo7e posted:You should probably finish the season before you keep digging. I finished it on Sunday afternoon and I don't see how anything I saw would change what I wrote. I didn't even post until later because I wanted to give it time to settle.
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Aphrodite posted:...ABC? All the Netflix shows are credited as a production between Marvel Entertainment and ABC Studios. Just my theory but I'm guessing that ABC (being owned by Disney) probably had some type of contract that they were going to be airing all of Marvel's live action MCU stuff on TV. And then for whatever reason, the Netflix series started. I imagine ABC probably had minimal input and it was just a contractual thing but the people who sit at the top of the food chain in Marvel TV oversee both the ABC shows and the Netflix series.
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Blazing Ownager posted:
TMNT is a Daredevil parody.
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Mar 21, 2016 23:33
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Jerusalem posted:I actually just assumed (pure speculation on my part here, I don't know what else is going on casting or storywise for other shows) that this was done this way purely to have Foggy around in the next season of Jessica Jones without having to shoehorn in Matt or explain why he wasn't around. I think it might serve as both. Foggy has gone and done his own thing before in the comics before, as has Matt. Matt, for example, is currently a deputy prosecutor for the District Attorney in the comics. Jessica Jones S2 might also need a few attorneys to clean up the mess. I'm kind of interested as to how Hogarth managed to not get disbarred since she killed her ex-wife while under Purple Man's influence, especially since Hogarth even says that no jury in the world would believe mind control.
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Mar 22, 2016 01:49
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Blazing Ownager posted:I have a sneaking feeling both Netflix shows will get a brief cameo in Civil War. I'm sure they'll be in Infinity War but I doubt anything will happen in Civil War. Wasn't DD S2 and JJ filming at the same time Civil War was?
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Mar 22, 2016 05:08
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zoux posted:One thing they didn't follow up on, or if they did I missed it, was Matt losing his senses in his apartment for five minutes. Did they ever explain that or go back to it? I thought it might be a SuperHero Loses His Powers plot, but since they never went back to it, I was guessing he just had a concussion.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:07
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Rarity posted:Has there been any mention of how long Fisk's sentence is? From the way the attorney talked, It didn't even sound like Fisk had a trial yet, let alone convicted. But the show is really bad in the legal aspect of things so its best not to think too hard about it. net cafe scandal posted:Oh yeah through that whole Claire quitting segment I just had no idea why in Gods name I was expected to care about the PR of Claires hospital. Such a bizarre scene.. I guess they wanted to give Rosario Dawson some drama to chew on but it was just another break in momentum. They really didn't spell it out but I came away thinking that some Yakuza/Hand shell company made a huge contribution prior to the invasion that would make things like that stay quiet. I thought that bald white dude was in the pockets of The Hand. EDIT: Speaking of things the show is bad at, why are all of their "reporters" writing loving opinion pieces?
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Mar 23, 2016 01:01
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NutritiousSnack posted:They said it was going to be a "few months, maybe even a couple of years" when discussing his release. It's sounds like season 3 or 4 Fisk is back, more likely 3 with them doing an adaption of The Man Without Fear story line. Probably replacing Nuke with Bullseye. Which is why it makes me think Fisk hasn't been tried, or if he has been convicted, the attorney is trying to win on appeal. I just can't imagine, even with the TV LAW thing that this show has going, that you can serve 3 years for running a criminal empire and bribing a fuckton of people.
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moths posted:Why didn't they just use the box on the child Black Sky that died? They probably need that specific piece of land first, and they didn't get that land until the end of season 1. Nobu seems to come back from the dead on his own but maybe there's something special about him that allows him to do so without the whole ceremony The Hand usually does.
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Mar 24, 2016 15:36
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ExplodingSquid posted:So I have a big question... Sorry if this was asked before though. The Hand doesn't traditionally have anything to do with Morbius so I doubt it. It just seems like the show's take on The Hand resurrection ritual. I think we'd be far more likely to see Morbius in a potential Blade movie if that franchise ever takes off again.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:32
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SiKboy posted:*Did they technically lose? I got to that episode at stupid o'clock in the morning, so I'm not 100% sure, but was Frank ever actually found guilty, or did he escape before he was convicted? The point stands either way. I don't think the jury ever voted, or if they did we didn't see it. Castle escaped while in jail while on trial. Regardless of the specifics of Foggy's job offer, other lawyers could see he was the backbone of Nelson and Murdock and they think he is valuable and his talent is being wasted. Which is true.
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Lycus posted:Did I miss a renewal announcement, or are you being optimistic? I'm being cautiously optimistic and assuming ABC owning Disney gives it a bit of an advantage over other shows.
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Matt was saying that stuff to Elektra because they both thought they were certainly going to die. People lie to themselves all the time on their deathbeds.
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Is Karen driving Wesley's car in the first episode of Season 2? When she was escaping the hospital, at first I thought she might've hot wired the car. But she had the keys in her purse. When Grotto asked if it was her car, she responds that its a friend's car and that the friend is dead. There's a lot of conversations with Karen regarding the ethical debate on what Punisher is doing and you can certainly read a lot into what she's saying in relation to how she killed Wesley. One thing I'm annoyed by in re-watching the first two S2 episodes is that a lot of fights take place off screen. The initial fight in episode 1 (disarming the guy threatening the cop and the guy who held the girl hostage) is off screen. Punisher with the porn peddler is off screen as is the Dogs of Hell (with just a reference) and Punisher vs Cartel. Even against the Irish mob Punisher doesn't actually appear, though I understand thematically why he doesn't appear in that specific scene. The only real fight that occurs on screen is Matt vs Punisher. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Aphrodite posted:It's Ben's car I think. That makes a lot more sense since it looks a bit too much of a beater for it to be Wesley's. Good point.
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I think The Hand were done poorly in this series because in the comics, the Hand usually aren't terribly frightening because they're incredibly skilled fighters. They're a threat because of their sheer numbers. Similar to HYDRA in that cut off one hand, two more take its place, you kill one ninja and then there are three more almost out of thin air. And some of the better Hand stories usually involve another villain taking over. But what's the most in numbers we ever saw of the Hand? Maybe two dozen, if that?
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May 3, 2016 01:54
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Cythereal posted:I think the flipside to the Punisher as a power fantasy is that the series also makes no bones about the fact that Frank Castle is a broken, miserable man whose ability to have anything resembling a home, family, career, or otherwise a normal life has been destroyed. You might admire the Punisher from a safe distance, if you don't trip his hair-trigger temper. You might think that ultimately he's a good thing for the city. But Jesus Christ you do not want to be the Punisher. No see, Frank has this magical ability to divine who deserves to die and who doesn't. And if you don't deserve to die, you won't die, even if you are directly in the line of fire. I overall thought the Punisher story was much better than the Hand but that whole conversation of Frank not intending to hit Karen and so she wouldn't have been hurt was just loving dumb. Its almost like halfway through the season they got wind that the Punisher might get his own series so they decided no one could ever get caught in the crossfire.
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May 3, 2016 17:19
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nelson posted:I just finished Daredevil S2. I basically liked everything except (most of) the foot. Yes I realize they are "the hand" but I grew up watching TMNT and that's exactly what it felt like (a parody of themselves). TMNT is a comic parody, and in particular of Miller era Daredevil. Hand/Foot, Stick/Splinter. Hell TMNT initially got their mutations from the same ooze that blinded/powered Matt Murdock.
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ufarn posted:DeKnight will be directing Pacific Rim 2. Doesn't sound like great news for his future involvement with Marvelflix. DeKnight wasn't involved in season 2 either, but I think he still received Executive Producer credit.
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CommaToes posted:Isn't Luke Cage a bit more jovial than he's shown in the trailer? Or am I mistaken and he's actually as dour as he's portrayed in these shows? In the MCU, he lost his wife not all that long ago. So he might not be in the mood for yellow spandex. Also, who is the actor in the suit at the end of the trailer? I swear I've seen him in something before.
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Lycus posted:Have you watched House of Cards? Oh poo poo, it is him. He just...looks younger in Luke Cage, for some reason. Or maybe it is being dressed in a suit rather than restaurant garb.
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Lycus posted:Not that guy. gently caress me. Yeah, it's Remy's actor.
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HIJK posted:Their friendship is what I'm looking forward to the most. I wonder if they'll even have an established relationship, considering that Iron Fist's premise seems to be partially "Who the gently caress is Danny Rand?".
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Cage can also be poisoned which is basically what Kilgrave did to him.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Nobody wants those losers anywhere near Netflix land in case failure really *is* catching. Yet SHIELD stuff has been referenced several times in both seasons of Daredevil. Skye/Daisy went to the same orphanage as Matt, Crusher Creel is off-screen getting his rear end kicked by Matt's father before he gets powers, and that Dogs from Hell gang in season 2 first appeared in a season 1 AOS episode.' I know the general consensus is AOS sucks, but that there's some sort of division between AOS/ABC and everything else isn't really supported. The division is between all of TV vs all of film.
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Boogaleeboo posted:That's not SHIELD stuff going into Daredevil, that's general Marvel/Daredevil poo poo going into SHIELD. Crusher Creel always fought Matt's dad in the comics for instance, it's not something they added because SHIELD used him. SHIELD had some nice bits, and it has some good actors, but it is very much nowhere near the darling the Netflix stuff is and it's hanging on by a thread. St Agnes Orphanage isn't in the comics, as far as I know. They sure didn't have to make Matt attend the same orphanage as Skye and could've easily just left it unnamed or name it something else, and there's no reason they couldn't have come up with their own biker gang in Daredevil season 2. I don't think anyone is claiming AOS is a critical or any type of darling. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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I know AOS isn't without faults, but neither are the Netflix series, and the Netflix series have the huge benefit of not being pressured to be shoehorned into current MCU events. Daredevil season 2 really felt disjointed and had major problems with the story, and how the story tied into Daredevil and Matt's life. I mean the Punisher stuff from the first 5-6 episodes was almost universally good, but as the series went more into The Hand and the Punisher story almost happened on its own thing, it got progressively worse and characters such as Nobo seemed to be shells of their former selves. I really likedJessica Jones, and it took a lot of big risks in terms of story, but I think there was some fat that could've been cut from Jessica's endless pursuit of a solution/plot device to stop Kilgrave. Her sitting there shouting, literally "Supermax!!!!" was irritating, but it is easily forgotten because it was followed up by one of my favorite seasons from any of the Netflix shows.
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Aphrodite posted:Those people made season 2 of Carter, they had their chance. I think shows can survive a clunky season 2 if their ratings hold up. Just look at the second season of Daredevil. Unfortunately, even the very solid season 1 of Carter had abysmally low ratings even though it was airing in the same time slot as AOS. Apparently period pieces tend to not do well, at least on network television.
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I would guess She-Hulk would be in the same limbo as Incredible Hulk in that Universal still has the....distribution rights or something like that in regards to solo films and that means less $$ for Marvel/Disney, but she could appear in ensemble films. How that would impact her appearance in the television world is anyone's guess.
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I really don't think a hero being C or D list really matters. I just think they're going to go for the heroes with the least head ache in regards to who holds rights and what not. And She-Hulk, unfortunately, is in that limbo. I really don't think we'll ever see Spider-related characters in TV/Netflix just because it inevitably brings up the "Why isn't Spider-Man here" question.
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I don't think we actually know how much Marvel is actually involved in the Legion series, do we? I just kind of assumed it is the same general oversight they had with all the other properties held by other networks. And the Sony email leak showed that Marvel rarely if ever exercised much editorial control over it.
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Aphrodite posted:They haven't addressed it in dialogue but Netflix Stan Lee is some kind of high-up police official, like a commissioner or something. He's on the wall of police stations in both. MCU Stan Lee has had like a dozen or so jobs since 2008 AND has been to space. Dude gets around.
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Wanderer posted:They really should've cast Danny as Asian or Eurasian, at this point. It's going to feel like a big step backward after "Luke Cage." I mean they could've, but then they could've just made a Shang-Chi series instead. I know, I know, "Luke and Danny are Heroes for Hire!!!!!" but in this MCU, it doesn't look like Danny and Luke will even meet until Defenders. I still think casting an Asian as a martial artist wizard can present itself with some challenges, since that is a huge stereotype and also a media cliche at this point. Of course having The White Guy be the True Ninja Master presents itself with tis own challenges. Maybe Marvel was screwed either way.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:COMIC BOOK QUESTION: Jessica Jones the TV series/Netflix show nails the spirit of Alias, the debut series starring Jessica Jones. However much of the actual story either greatly differentiates from the comic, or is entirely original. Luke and Jessica meet in the comics at a bar randomly and Jessica gets drunk and they gently caress. Luke owns the bar, like he does in the show. In contrast, Luke is not low profile. He is very much Luke Cage, and while he isn't wearing yellow spandex, he definitely is showing off. Eventually after not talking for a while, and her trying to date a legit super hero (Scott Lang, AKA Ant-Man), she goes to Luke and tells her she's pregnant. In a follow up series called The Pulse, it is revealed that Luke Cage with Danny Rand/Iron Fist as Heroes for Hire ran into Jessica while she was Jewel, her superhero alias. From there they later get married and have a lot of different superhero adventures, mostly within the Avengers family of titles. They also have a kid, a girl named Danielle. Before meeting Jessica, Luke is known to be a cape chaser, having implied to have sex with a lot of the single women in the Marvel universe. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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I'm only on episode 7 or eight. Is it ever explained why Cottonmouth hates that name?
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Lurdiak posted:What I mean is that they did creepy mystical stuff and dangerous ninja fight perfectly acceptably in season 1, but in S2 the fights were surprisingly weak, the ninjas attacked one at a time instead of in the frightening waves of arms and swords Frank Miller made so iconic, and the plot was just some dumb Star Wars prophecy poo poo instead of anything interesting. Yep. I explained to my girlfriend while watching Game of Thrones (because some of the Wall invasion episodes are really reminiscient, to me, of Miller-era Hand stuff) is that the Hand isn't threatening because they are the best fighters, or they have the best assassins (though sometimes they do). They're a threat because their ninjas are just a massive wave and they just keep coming, and when you think they're done, another wave comes again. And then when you kill one, it vanishes in smoke. But instead of exploring how the Hand has gotten their hands into so many parts of society and legit businesses (which they kind of did at first, and then dropped it), and how these ninjas just come in endless waves, I think the biggest fight scene had like....12, maybe 20 ninjas. For superheroes like Matt and Elektra, that's loving nothing.
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Vehementi posted:
I doubt Luke Cage takes place post-Civil War. Not a single mention of Sokovia or SHIELD falling so it probably falls in the realm of post-Avengers 1. Probably pretty soon after since The Incident is still being hawked on the street. But overall I agree with your criticisms. The loving rocket launcher really seemed cartoonish to me, but maybe that's a call back to the series' blaxploitation roots which are often corny and over the top. I just didn't think multiple villains worked out well. I also didn't feel like we really got to know Cottonmouth. Yeah, I know, we had those flashbacks. Maybe Fisk DD Season 1 ruined me, but I was surprised none of the villains had a love story. In fact, none of the villains even seem to have a love interest.
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Serf posted:Right, I'm not disputing that the guy hasn't always been off his rocker. But clearly before Luke turned up he was holding it together enough to be a high-level arms dealer. It's only afterwards that he starts to lose his grip on sanity. I think part of Guy's complaint (and mine too) is that we're told that Diamondback is this guy above Cottonmouth who is his secretive, discrete supplier and that the mere mention of Shade's employer is enough to make Cottonmouth nervous, and that Shades is really only there as a go-between between Diamondback and Cottonmouth. But when Diamondback finally does appear, he clearly has lost his grip on reality outdoing even Cottonmouth's most cartoonish moments. With quite a few episodes actually hitting the one hour mark, I kind of wish we'd gotten to see more of Diamondback and see him lose his head, just as we kind of did with Cottonmouth. Instead, we get him and he's already loving crazy and he's no more cunning than Cottonmouth was at his lowest.
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Serf posted:I don't disagree. I wish we could've seen more of Diamondback being a hardcore arms dealer. I wish Cottonmouth had lasted longer too. I'm just following the progression of Diamondback's degrading thought process from "I'll snipe him" to "I'll hunt him down" to "I'll turn the city against him and set the cops on him" to finally "I'll dress up in a super-suit and get into a streetfight with him". It all seemed to make sense to me as he gets more and more furious and desperate. I don't even see Diamondback's thought process as that individual. To me, the way Shades makes him out to be, this is a guy that has other people do his dirty work. I would've expected him to send some faceless goons or a sniper or two to Cage at first. Instead he does almost all of the dirty work himself except for killing Shades and that's only because he was busy trying to con Mariah. I actually think Mariah and Shades actually had decent arcs, though I am kind of getting the feeling Shades is going to be the Nobu of Luke Cage where he's going to become a shell of his former self in Defenders or next season and get sniped or killed easily mid-late season. To me, Shades gravitates toward people in power isn't someone who is going to be the kingpin himself. Mariah herself goes from a side player doing the "legit" work of Cottonmouth to reluctantly taking over the criminal enterprise. I really think Cottonmouth's character arc is something that was incomplete. I am really disappointed that we barely saw any of Cottonmouth's personal life, and almost all of that was flashbacks. We didn't really see Mariah's either, but at least we saw her house a few times.
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