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weed cat
Dec 23, 2010

weed cat is back, and he loves to suck dick



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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Why not use iTunes Match? Use XLD to convert your FLAC library to ALAC, and you'll have all of your music available streaming on your iPhone.

Does it actually use my own files, or just find the copies already in the iTunes store? I don't have an iPhone, either. I'm on T-Mobile, which doesn't have great data coverage, so part of the idea is to have the whole thing available offline.

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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

- It uses your own copies if they're different from what the iTunes Store already has
- You can download files on-the-go for offline use as well
- Get an iPhone and stop using T-Mobile, you philistine

weed cat
Dec 23, 2010

weed cat is back, and he loves to suck dick



:sueme:

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

- It uses your own copies if they're different from what the iTunes Store already has
- You can download files on-the-go for offline use as well
- Get an iPhone and stop using T-Mobile, you philistine

-Tmobile is paid by bank of mom and dad
-I'm trying to do without a smartphone
-I already have a library, I don't want to pay $25 a month

roffels
Jul 27, 2004

Yo Taxi!

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Why not use iTunes Match? Use XLD to convert your FLAC library to ALAC, and you'll have all of your music available streaming on your iPhone.

I can't speak for others, but the appeal of having a dedicated player is to not have to stream. Also better quality audio.

The Modern Leper
Dec 25, 2008

You must be a masochist
Also it doesn't use your own copies if they're not in the Apple Music library. It uploads iTMS-quality copies (256kbps AAC files). More than fine for streaming, but not your FLAC/ALAC quality.

pzy
Feb 20, 2004

Da Boom!
Yeah I was vaguely annoyed to find out iTunes Match turns lossless ALAC into 256kbit AAC but then I got over it.

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."
I finally sold my broken down Honda. It had been sitting in the parking lot of my shop for about 9 months and at some point someone broke into it. Nothing in there of value but they stole my 3rd gen Grayscale iPod :(

Truly you don't know what you have until it's gone.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Hey, just wondering if anyone can share their opinions regarding no-frills (well, in terms of having non-music apps, etc. like the newer iPods seem to have) and iTunes-less PMP/MP3 player, that I can hopefully get here in Aus? I read on the previous page that some people have converted phones to perform the role, but personally I'm looking for a dedicated PMP, so that the process can hopefully be hassle-free.
I think one or two people mentioned the Fiio range and Sony (with the caveat that Sony apparently use a proprietary charger connector?), although the Fiios that I've seen so far seem to be around the top-end of what I'd be willing to pay, plus shipping (seems like there aren't many available down here where I am) - so I'm definitely open to suggestions!

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




I've got the Fiio X5 mark 2 and I like it, but there are some nuisances which I hear later models do better with, like managing massive libraries.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


If you want something inexpensive for listening to tunes while working out or running or something, the SanDisk/Sansa Clip line of players is still being made.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Their interface and sound quality are great, but tend to break down after max two years. I'd like to pay more than 500 DKK and get something that lasts.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I've had my Clip Zip for years, I can't even remember when I bought it. The battery is very nearly dead, but I was actually impressed at how well it held up, considering the obviously cheap build quality.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Hmm you know, after reading about the options you've recommended for/against, I'm quite tempted to go for the FiiO X5 gen3. Especially after reading a review on it, since it seemed to be quite highly regarded, albeit with some minor software issues. (Which I assume would probably be fixed by now with some updates, seeing as the device and review are a few years old, now)

Just curious though, but can I basically just use Windows explorer to dump files and folders onto the device, or must I install an app to transfer music to it?

Also, while I'm here...I don't suppose any of you have bluetooth headset recommendations, by any chance? Seeing as the FiiO seems to support it, I might as well get a set, right? :v:

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

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Major Isoor posted:

Just curious though, but can I basically just use Windows explorer to dump files and folders onto the device

I have the gen2 and this is what you do.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Chairchucker posted:

I have the gen2 and this is what you do.

Oh good, glad to hear it - thanks for the confirmation!

EDIT: Actually, it seems like the Fiio M series is newer and also cheaper...I assume because they're easier to come by? Are they generally the way to go, nowadays? I can't seem to find much in the way of comparison charts etc between the Ms like I could with the X series, so I'm not sure. Seems like the M6 and M9 are quite popular, judging from Google

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jul 8, 2020

GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


weed cat posted:

-Tmobile is paid by bank of mom and dad
-I'm trying to do without a smartphone
-I already have a library, I don't want to pay $25 a month

If it helps, and it may not...

iTunes Match is only 25 a year, and unlike Apple Music the matched downloads are DRM free.

I use it for chapterized audiobooks myself, it'll upload/match anything at least 96kbps and less than 2 hours long IIRC.

Max Coveri
Dec 23, 2015

by Athanatos

Major Isoor posted:

Hey, just wondering if anyone can share their opinions regarding no-frills (well, in terms of having non-music apps, etc. like the newer iPods seem to have) and iTunes-less PMP/MP3 player, that I can hopefully get here in Aus? I read on the previous page that some people have converted phones to perform the role, but personally I'm looking for a dedicated PMP, so that the process can hopefully be hassle-free.
I think one or two people mentioned the Fiio range and Sony (with the caveat that Sony apparently use a proprietary charger connector?), although the Fiios that I've seen so far seem to be around the top-end of what I'd be willing to pay, plus shipping (seems like there aren't many available down here where I am) - so I'm definitely open to suggestions!

I bought a Benjie T6 and I'm pretty happy with it.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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KozmoNaut posted:

I've had my Clip Zip for years, I can't even remember when I bought it. The battery is very nearly dead, but I was actually impressed at how well it held up, considering the obviously cheap build quality.

That's what I mean by break down. The battery lasts less than 20 minutes in the end, and that's not acceptable for a day of use.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Tias posted:

That's what I mean by break down. The battery lasts less than 20 minutes in the end, and that's not acceptable for a day of use.

Well, it happened after like 8 years of on/off use :v:

I still have it somewhere, maybe I can find a replacement battery on eBay. Or just not bother, I use my phone now anyway.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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KozmoNaut posted:

Well, it happened after like 8 years of on/off use :v:

I still have it somewhere, maybe I can find a replacement battery on eBay. Or just not bother, I use my phone now anyway.

I'm too cheap to give youtube money or I'd roll strict phone. making my own playlists and Djing is still a passion, and I'd like to do that on the go.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Tias posted:

I'm too cheap to give youtube money or I'd roll strict phone. making my own playlists and Djing is still a passion, and I'd like to do that on the go.

I've got ~20K tracks on my PC and just put stuff on my phone once in a while, like an old-fashioned MP3 player. MP3s and such just go straight over, FLACs get converted to Opus. I've 128GB of space on my phone and so far I'm not even close to running out, even with a bunch of music and photos on there.

I'm currently waiting for the parts for my new NAS/server to arrive, then I'll run some kind of Owncloud or Plex or something as my own private streaming service.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



KozmoNaut posted:

I've got ~20K tracks on my PC and just put stuff on my phone once in a while, like an old-fashioned MP3 player. MP3s and such just go straight over, FLACs get converted to Opus. I've 128GB of space on my phone and so far I'm not even close to running out, even with a bunch of music and photos on there.

I'm currently waiting for the parts for my new NAS/server to arrive, then I'll run some kind of Owncloud or Plex or something as my own private streaming service.

Subsonic works pretty well for me for streaming, Plex is clunky with music IME

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I was looking primarily at Ampache, but it's always good to have options.

Specifically I don't want to expose anything on my NAS/server to the world, so I would be running all the internet-facing stuff from a hardened Raspberry Pi with strictly read-only access to anything else on the network, probably placed in a DMZ if possible. Even a first-gen RPi should be able to handle that just fine.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Max Coveri posted:

I bought a Benjie T6 and I'm pretty happy with it.

Hmm, unfortunately it doesn't seem like those are readily available, here. :(

Alright well, after doing some more research/comparisons on the topic, I'm leaning heavily towards the Fiio M6, at this point. The X5-III would be good, but it's way more expensive for what I want, I feel. (I mean, I think I'd get an M3 Pro or something, but I think I'll use a bluetooth headset, so that rules the M3 out) Before I take the plunge though, do any of you have any last minute recommendations (or warnings about the M6), by any chance? Or advice on bluetooth travel headsets, for that matter. A friend recommended getting a Sennheiser travel headset, so I'll use that as my starting point I guess, when I begin looking into headsets, soon.

Sorry to clog up the thread with all this, by the way - I just want to make sure I'm getting a good player with good battery life, which'll last me a long time....without blowing the bank. It's a great, easy-to-meet set of criteria, I know! :v:

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




Major Isoor posted:

Hmm, unfortunately it doesn't seem like those are readily available, here. :(

Alright well, after doing some more research/comparisons on the topic, I'm leaning heavily towards the Fiio M6, at this point. The X5-III would be good, but it's way more expensive for what I want, I feel. (I mean, I think I'd get an M3 Pro or something, but I think I'll use a bluetooth headset, so that rules the M3 out) Before I take the plunge though, do any of you have any last minute recommendations (or warnings about the M6), by any chance? Or advice on bluetooth travel headsets, for that matter. A friend recommended getting a Sennheiser travel headset, so I'll use that as my starting point I guess, when I begin looking into headsets, soon.

Sorry to clog up the thread with all this, by the way - I just want to make sure I'm getting a good player with good battery life, which'll last me a long time....without blowing the bank. It's a great, easy-to-meet set of criteria, I know! :v:

Please update us on how it goes, in particular how it deals with things like searching for songs and playing through big playlists.

EDIT: Screw it, I just ordered one too.

Chairchucker fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 9, 2020

YoursTruly
Jul 29, 2012

Put me in the trash
Recycle Bin
where
I belong.
I still have a Zune that's over a decade old, but I mainly just use it in my car these days.

About 5 years ago, everything in the storage (music, pictures, and videos) disappeared, but the hard drive lists the same amount of used/available space as before, and the image I set as my background still appears there (but isn't available under the pictures tab). Since then, I've added some new music to it, but I'd really like to find a way to restore access to the stuff already on there, rather than wipe the hard drive clean and re-transfer my whole library again.

I also still have a 20g RCA mp4 player that's about ~17 years old now. I only had it for like a month or two before I dropped it. It landed directly on the spot where my headphones were plugged in, causing the plug's interior to split into two sides. Depending on how you wiggled the plug, you could hear from one ear or the other for a while, but I don't think the plug works at all anymore. It was about $500.00 new and is now just a really slow external storage device that can play small, short, low resolution videos without sound.

And with regards to the thread title, I have a very dusty VCR that's newer than both of those devices and probably still works well if I ever want to rewatch Spiderman or the Star Wars prequel trilogy on VHS.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Chairchucker posted:

Please update us on how it goes, in particular how it deals with things like searching for songs and playing through big playlists.

EDIT: Screw it, I just ordered one too.

Hah, well then we can be M6 guinea pigs together! :D But sure thing, I'll put in an update once I've given it a go. I'll probably order it tonight or tomorrow, I think, since I'm quite busy at work (don't ask me why I'm on here :v: ), so that'll give me a bit more time to price-check, etc.

EDIT: gently caress it, I just ordered it then, too. I want it now, now, now!

EDIT 2: ...and on my way home from work, I bought a JBL Tune 750BTNC headset and a 128GB micro SD card for the Fiio M6. 128GB oughta juuuust do the trick and be enough space for my favourite songs, right? :D Well, time to wait for the M6 to arrive, then we'll see how it goes. Hopefully here mid next week

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Jul 10, 2020

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Sorry in advance about the double-post - I just thought editing my previous post a third time (three days later!) wouldn't be any better, heh

In any case, seeing as I have my headphones and SD card (and my M6 will be arriving today or tomorrow, apparently), could anyone let me know how they prefer to store/lay-out their music folder structure? Since up until now I've been firmly living in the past, and over 95% of my music has remained on CDs... :shobon: So I'll need to start copying it all off onto my SD card, however I'm just wondering how you guys tend to do it. Like, do you have a folder for each band and then sub-folders for each album? Or just one for each band, or maybe something completely different like sorting it by genre instead? Not a huge deal I know; I'm just curious is all, so I thought I'd ask.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




I've been using MediaMonkey which I've set up to put everything in Music/Artist/Album folders.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

My buddy had a huge collection of bluegrass and truly obscure folk music (a lot of it local, adding to the obscurity) and I installed mm for him to sort out the folder structure and he's still cursing me for it to this day. It just didn't know what to do with such large swaths of it.

I had a weird glitch with it myself where after a while a song would start repeating the last 30 seconds or so over and over and the song would never skip to the next one. I almost never listen to music on the computer anymore, it's sad

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




codo27 posted:


I had a weird glitch with it myself where after a while a song would start repeating the last 30 seconds or so over and over and the song would never skip to the next one. I almost never listen to music on the computer anymore, it's sad

This one happens to me when I change input type, like switching from speakers to headphones.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Major Isoor posted:

could anyone let me know how they prefer to store/lay-out their music folder structure?

I use this layout:

code:

music/album artist/year - album title/track number - artist - title.mp3

Album artist is usually just the same as the artist for normal albums, or "various artists" for compilations. There are tags for both in all common formats, and most players understand it.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Thanks for the info, all!

And well, after two evenings of ripping CDs in preparation for my M6's arrival, I've now got it and I've had a chance to give it a whirl today. Now, I'm pretty unfamiliar with this type of device, so I'm not exactly a connoisseur of DAPs/PMPs, but I've been liking it quite a lot. I had it playing via Bluetooth for around 1-1.5hrs and it barely put a dent in a battery. It's very easy to use, and comes with a plastic case+screen protector, which I wasn't expecting but was very happy with.
I like the quality of the display as well. I wasn't expecting much, but I'm pleasantly surprised! Also, while I was ripping everything, I made sure to add the album cover 'folder.jpg' files to each album (for the ones where the image isn't part of the file for each track, anyway). So I assume that's helped with ensuring that all the album covers appear on the M6 (as well as while listening on my PC, naturally) when browsing albums or playing music. All looks good, anyway - nothing is pixelated or stretched, etc. so it looks great!

Obviously the audio quality is good too, as a minor side-note. :v: So yeah, I'm very happy with the M6 so far. Only time will tell if that opinion changes one way or the other, however it's certainly looking like a solid product at this stage, so I'm 100% glad I bought it (but again, although I'm very familiar with PCs and other devices, I'm very new to PMPs - especially ones from this decade, heh. So naturally take my comments with a spoonful of salt)

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




Mine just arrived, too. I just yanked the SD card out of the old Fiio and put it into this one. It's still scanning my songs in.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Chairchucker posted:

Mine just arrived, too. I just yanked the SD card out of the old Fiio and put it into this one. It's still scanning my songs in.

Good timing! Out of curiosity, what was your old Fiio? Based on my research in recent times (which is quite admittedly less than what anyone in here knows of the top of their head, I'm sure) it seems like it's a pretty respected brand, with some solid product models under their belt. I couldn't find any mention of major/common shortcomings/issues either, which is good. Has that been your experience with them, as well? (I mean, obviously you don't think poorly of them, else you wouldn't have bought the M6...but you know what I mean :v: )

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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Was the X5 Gen 2. It was relatively reliable, and had two SD slots instead of the one this one has.

This one is, so far, a lot better IMO. Much quicker, both to navigate to songs, and to play a song once I've selected it. This one actually sorts by song name, artist etc instead of just the full file name like the old one did. I'll probs give the old one away to a friend because I don't think I'll go back now I've experienced this one.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Huh, well that's interesting to hear, then. I'm glad I went and bought the M6 then, if that's the case! :D

But isn't the X series their flagship model? I would've expected that the X5G2 would still be pretty solid, compared to the M6. (Although I'm not sure when the gen2 came out - it might be fairly old, after all)
I guess feature-wise it still is somewhat, due to the second SD card slot and doubtlessly some other things too. Just not in terms of performance I suppose, since in light of your post I assume the M6 is at least a couple of years newer.
Interesting though - since while I was looking them all up the other day, I figured the M6 and X5G2 must've been much closer to parity with one another, compared to how they are in reality. Especially due to their prices, etc. Maybe the X5G2 came out around when the M3 did, and I should instead be viewing/considering the M6 to be the intended M-series counterpart to the X5G3. I wish there was a comprehensive comparison of recent popular brands' products and their specs in order to get a better idea, but oh well

But anyway, I think I should really just go to bed! :v:

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

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It probably does a bunch of stuff I don't need it to do, like I think it's a DAC or something, whatever that means.

It has a scroll wheel and a bunch of buttons instead of a touch screen, and while in some ways I prefer that more tactile feel, scrolling through your songs is a bit time consuming, especially with a larger library. When playing my entire library, there would tend to be a pause of several seconds before it would start playing the first song. It also has no wireless or bluetooth capability.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
Well, I've been recharging the M6 and headset less and less lately, to see how far I can go. (Since originally I was recharging them both daily, like my phone) It's been around a week of frequent use* and the M6 is down to 41%. I mean, I've got it set to turn off after 30min inactivity though, so it's not on all day or anything. No idea about my headset, although hopefully it's not about to go flat, since I want it for my trip home. :v:
So yeah, I'm pretty happy with the battery life! Definitely better than what I was expecting, in that regard.


* 'Frequent' by my standards, anyway. So it'll be around 80-90min travel time per day, plus maybe 40-60min per day for lunch/walking during the day. Plus maybe a little bit more here and there, while I walk between buildings at work. And also anywhere from 40-80min for when I'm walking the dog every couple of days, whenever there's time.

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Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003



RIP

Anyone have any good ideas for a drag and drop music player (I'm done with Apple Music software) but also runs pocketcasts?

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