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gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

Loomer posted:

Also the wording used in the bible is a little ambiguous on exactly what the crucifixion took place on, so claiming that they're stupid for thinking it was a stake rather than a cross is a bit silly.

From my understanding, JWs don't think it was a crucifixion at all. That's where I have a hang-up: What sources claim otherwise? I've never heard that he was executed in any other way.

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gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

Loomer posted:

They believe he was crucified on a stake rather than a cross, which is in keeping with one of the potential meanings of the Greek used in the New Testament. Stauros can mean both stake and cross, and it's a matter of some academic debate among theologians that Christ might have had the single stake. It's hardly a heretical or particularly odd viewpoint - it's a mere matter of translation and semantics. JWs don't say 'there was no crucifixion, period' they say, 'they used a stake, not a cross. It's in the bible.' which is true with some translations and interpretations. There are enough significant theological differences that 'stake vs cross' is pretty unimportant and a bit silly to choose as the sign the JWs are weird.

Thanks for the clarification. That's honestly not weird at all, and people more generally accepted as Christians have varying beliefs on the structure of the cross, so what's the big deal?

gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

Psychobabble posted:

I know that in Florida they're built to serve as emergency shelters in case of hurricanes so there are no windows but in other areas they do have windows.

The KH along I-20 in north Louisiana has no windows, either.

gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

peanut posted:

Not allowing blacks to hold the priesthood until 1978, and funding anti-gay marriage laws are two much more simple reasons to deny the visiting LDS missionaries. You don't have to troll poor 19-year-olds about advanced theology.

The LDS Church in SLC is currently supporting a law against housing discrimination for LGBT people. It's kind of nice.

Also, they already believe that the Gospels have been mistranslated and only restored by Joseph Smith, Jr.'s translation, so I feel like that argument wouldn't go far.

gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

Wasn't that an episode of The Practice? I loved that show.

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