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Mar 24, 2015 19:41
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Zeitgueist posted:That's mainly what people complain about when they complain about CA. No, that's creepy Orientalist fetishism. And I'm not sure it's what "people" complain about as much as what you would complain about. I shouldn't have to explain the troublesome undertones in your implying that only the inscrutable Celestial has the ability to produce their exotic land's native dishes bred into them.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:47
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Canadian Surf Club posted:Another of your mistakes is presuming that we can't do these things today because of some terrible past history, when infact there's still a lot of exploitation and marginalization of certain minorities today. And that is something American progressives incapable of actually addressing, as they have repeatedly demonstrated, and no amount of "discussion" or "raising awareness" will change that. gently caress, they were the most culturally appropriative during their most radical phase. Hippie movement was nothing if it wasn't for cultural appropriation, and that's why it is a touchy subject even today. You are still battling the shadows of that era in an attempt to kick the dirty hippie. Because progressivism in America is mostly about whites disciplining other whites to show their class loyalties and get a leg up in their narrow social environments. Cultural appropriation argument is perfect for that because you signal not only you are a defender of poor minorities, you are also worldly and knowledgeable about "true" significance of whatever cultural element being stolen.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:55
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fspades posted:And that is something American progressives incapable of actually addressing, as they have repeatedly demonstrated, and no amount of "discussion" or "raising awareness" will change that. This is a fair criticism, but it acknowledges that cultural appropriation is a real problem that actually exists.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:04
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Popular Thug Drink posted:This is a fair criticism, but it acknowledges that cultural appropriation is a real problem that actually exists. No it isn't. You know what is a real problem that will affect the lives of "PoC" tremendously and which Americans can do something about it? Global warming. Even the iPads you are using to have twitter debates about cultural appropriation is "problematic" for PoC in a way Katy Perry's loving dress never will be.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:09
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fspades posted:No it isn't. You know what is a real problem that will affect the lives of "PoC" tremendously and which Americans can do something about it? Global warming. So it's a problem because leftists do it, but it also isn't a problem at all, because it doesn't meet your threshold for seriousness? Ok guy that's a weird way to justify your anger at leftists but whatever floats your boat I guess. It would be more honest to just say you hate them instead of trying to play their game. "Heh. Don't these anti-capitalist people know that all the things they have, were made by... capitalists? Check and mate, dear sir."
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Mar 24, 2015 20:13
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I'm relieved that I can now carelessly toss around racial slurs since they have a smaller impact on people of color than global warming. There might be an argument for cultural appropriation, but this is not it.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:13
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This eastern symbol for prosperity is really groovy, it will be great for our political movement
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Mar 24, 2015 20:16
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I am against cultural appropriation because we must secure the existence of our people and a future for fspades posted:No it isn't. You know what is a real problem that will affect the lives of "PoC" tremendously and which Americans can do something about it? Global warming. Also as stupid as worrying about Cultural Appropriation is, the "everything sucks" approach is probably the least compelling. It's like constantly pointing to Inner City Chicago whenever discussing bullying in school, or the militarization of the police.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:16
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Someone once told me you can care about multiple things at once and I wanted to argue with him, but global warming has a bigger net impact than his single statement so I had to let it slide.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:20
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The Insect Court posted:No, that's creepy Orientalist fetishism. And I'm not sure it's what "people" complain about as much as what you would complain about. I shouldn't have to explain the troublesome undertones in your implying that only the inscrutable Celestial has the ability to produce their exotic land's native dishes bred into them. Nah making money off of culture that's not yours is pretty much specifically appropriation, especially if there's a racial oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Think white holding down minorities and then stealing their music and making money on stuff they wouldn't the folks who invented it do.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:20
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm relieved that I can now carelessly toss around racial slurs since they have a smaller impact on people of color than global warming. How dare you erase the aids and malaria you unbelievable shitlord. 
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Mar 24, 2015 20:22
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Zeitgueist posted:How dare you erase the aids and malaria you unbelievable shitlord. wow, Tuberculosis-Exclusionary Radical Feminist spotted...
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Mar 24, 2015 20:23
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please don't trivialize the impact that the heat death of the universe has on third world persons of color you hypocritical SJW freshmen
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Mar 24, 2015 20:25
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WoodrowSkillson posted:The Races Should Not Mix If we eliminate cultural appropriation, we can whitewash the browns from the pages of history! Indians? Never heard of 'em!
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Mar 24, 2015 20:29
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Cultural appropriation is only something that happens to college socialists, not something used to oppress the global poor and PoC. BRB, going to go drink some Fiji water.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:29
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I once saw a P.F Changs just a block outside of Boston's Chinatown packed full of white people. It was p. hosed up.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:32
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Popular Thug Drink posted:So it's a problem because leftists do it, but it also isn't a problem at all, because it doesn't meet your threshold for seriousness? I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation?
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Mar 24, 2015 20:32
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fspades posted:I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation? Woah an angry leftist accusing angry leftists of being angry leftists, nice
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Mar 24, 2015 20:34
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fspades posted:I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation? where is "there"
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Mar 24, 2015 20:35
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I can't wait till the increasing privatization of colleges drives all the vestiges of leftism off of college campuses so that they'll no longer be some kind of cultural boogeyman.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:36
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I suppose "transethnics" on Tumblr also fit into this.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:36
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fspades posted:I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation? "Leftists don't care about the global poor if they care at all about slightly better off minorities" - A good leftist
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Mar 24, 2015 20:37
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fspades posted:I don't hate leftists, I'm a leftist. I hate what passes as leftism over there and their silly blogs and campus communities. The global warming example (and it is just an example) was given to show you how far you people are up on your own asses, and how little motivation you have to actually change something. Be true to yourselves; who are you trying to discipline when you complain about cultural appropriation? Well yes, to be perfectly fair, you could look at the situation in a way where CA falls under impotent consumer activism. Individual choices about wearing a sari or a keffiyeh have little to no effect on the subsuming of those things into the great western monoculture. Which is what I feel arguments about CA are really striking at - reaction against the perceived commodification of cultures and people. But if you remove the airing of grievances at the personal level, what are you left with to cope?
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Mar 24, 2015 20:38
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I culturally appropriated shitposting from the GBS community.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:48
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Zeitgueist posted:Cultural appropriation is only something that happens to college socialists, not something used to oppress the global poor and PoC. See, this is the kind of sloppy, self-righteous poo poo I'm talking about. FYI Zeitgueist, I never drank Fiji water. In fact, I never even had the opportunity to drink Fiji water, it's not sold where I live. If you asked what I think about Fiji water, I would answer it as a huge waste of human resources, just the kind capitalism excels at making and the outcome of the economic system we're in. And not the result of whitey's insatiable lust for POC culture or whatever. But someone drinking Fiji water does not mean anything to me on a personal level. It is not a moral choice for me, because I don't have a choice at all. I wouldn't use what drinking Fiji water signifies to berate others, and I would never even pretend doing so is a service to global poor. And what I hear from you lot is a lot of noise and snark about Fiji water and not enough about the cruel and irrational systems of economic exploitation your country happens to be the boss of.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:15
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Someone calling for more posts from Zeitgueist on the inhuman and racist nature of global capitalism? What kind of hosed up thread is this?
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Mar 24, 2015 21:17
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-Troika- posted:I suppose "transethnics" on Tumblr also fit into this. They suck.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:21
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paranoid randroid posted:But if you remove the airing of grievances at the personal level, what are you left with to cope? Indeed, that's the question isn't it? What else can a progressive movement can do?
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Mar 24, 2015 21:24
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fspades posted:See, this is the kind of sloppy, self-righteous poo poo I'm talking about. FYI Zeitgueist, I never drank Fiji water. In fact, I never even had the opportunity to drink Fiji water, it's not sold where I live. If you asked what I think about Fiji water, I would answer it as a huge waste of human resources, just the kind capitalism excels at making and the outcome of the economic system we're in. And not the result of whitey's insatiable lust for POC culture or whatever. I'm not the one being self-righteous. You missed my point which is that Fiji marketing water to rich white douchebags in developed nations is an example of a corporation appropriating culture and resources that directly screws over PoC in the global south. I was specifically talking about economic exploitation, not people making consumer choices.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:25
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Why is there this perception that only "white college liberal tumblr SJWs" care about cultural appropriation? If you click on the first author in the OP, you can see that the author is a black woman. So why do some people keep going on and on about "oh those whiny white liberal SJWs going on about Chinese food  "?
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Mar 24, 2015 21:29
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Blue Star posted:Why is there this perception that only "white college liberal tumblr SJWs" care about cultural appropriation? If you click on the first author in the OP, you can see that the author is a black woman. So why do some people keep going on and on about "oh those whiny white liberal SJWs going on about Chinese food Might be that some folks don't actually give a poo poo any of this but want an excuse to whine about SJW's. Maybe.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:30
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One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional
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Mar 24, 2015 21:32
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Mandy Thompson posted:One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional It's a trick, there are no socially acceptable hair styles for black women.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:33
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Mandy Thompson posted:One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional
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Mar 24, 2015 21:37
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Here is an example of it going in the other direction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/news/a36490/nazi-chic-teens-asia/ You can see why this is a problem. This is done mostly out of ignorance, a lot of these teens have no idea what the nazis did, they just think the uniforms are cool.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:38
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twodot posted:Isn't the problem here that anyone thinks that people's hair styles matters at all? Whether its fair or not people do judge you by the way you dress and wear your hair.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:39
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Mandy Thompson posted:One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional Yes I'm sure if white people would just stop appropriating dreadlocks racism would disappear. There is nothing wrong with dreadlocks even if you don't "pass" the paper bag test. There is something wrong with most corporate dress codes being exclusionary since the professional ideal is absolutely racially bias but that is a separate, not to mention actually an important, issue from whining about white people dressing up for Halloween.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:42
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Mandy Thompson posted:Here is an example of it going in the other direction Actually I don't. Perhaps you should reflect why you find it a problem. And please don't give me a history lesson about the Nazis. Examine your thought process and actually think about why you have a problem with other people dressing up when they obviously don't follow the ideology.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:46
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Its possible to care about both things. I wouldn't say all appropriation is bad but some appropriation really upsets people and we should be willing to listen to their concerns.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:46
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