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Zeitgueist posted:That's mainly what people complain about when they complain about CA. No, that's creepy Orientalist fetishism. And I'm not sure it's what "people" complain about as much as what you would complain about. I shouldn't have to explain the troublesome undertones in your implying that only the inscrutable Celestial has the ability to produce their exotic land's native dishes bred into them.
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Zeitgueist posted:Nah making money off of culture that's not yours is pretty much specifically appropriation, especially if there's a racial oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Think white holding down minorities and then stealing their music and making money on stuff they wouldn't the folks who invented it do. Wow, I never knew those undocumented Guatemalans working the kitchen over at the local Chinese take-out place were cultural appropriators. Gonna put on my black bandana, fill up a couple molotov cocktails, and go let those Enemies of the People know how "problematic" their cultural appropriation is. On that topic, is it cultural appropriation when Korean pop culture appropriates elements of Japanese culture? Or when Japan appropriates Chinese cultural markers? When SedanChair posted:She doesn't even understand the Kendrick Lamar lyric It's like she's deceptively appropriating an African-American identity because she thinks it makes her content seem more "authentic" and less like just another boring white rear end in a top hat who nobody would pay attention to otherwise. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Appropriation carries a negative connotation, which differentiates it from borrowing or sharing. If I were to get a number tattoo on my arm in the style of a Holocaust victim to demonstrate my feelings of being tortured by society and this was some kind of fad, that is disrespectful and an example of appropriation. If I were to do the same to honor a family member, it's not disrespectful and can be thought of as sharing. If a goy goes to a deli and orders a pastrami on rye he's basically recapitulating the Holocaust, is something we can definitely all agree on. Unless of course he's also buying a potato knish in remembrance for the victims of the Shoah, in which case he is a second Oskar Schindler. A big flaming stink posted:The more contributive posters articulate it as the former when there is a power imbalance present. We could call it "PTD's Disease". A pathological inability to understand that anthropology and cultural studies exist for reasons beyond giving you a misunderstood buzzword to prove how socially conscious and self-aware you are.
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Mar 26, 2015 02:01
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Popular Thug Drink posted:It's a method by which marginalization occurs. Nobody has claimed that appropriation is the sole method by which marginalization is perpetuated. You're overthinking this and confusing yourself. You can't seem to keep your arguments straight. Are you arguing that ethnic slurs like "redskin" and anti-black stereotypes are sacral cultural expressions of (respectively) native American and African-American culture?
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Mar 26, 2015 06:40
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icantfindaname posted:"It's my god given right to be a jackass to everyone around me, stupid liberal faggots "why do they keep calling me names??  ""it must be because they lack my profound understanding of the workings of culture. i'm just so much more enlightened and self-aware than them   "It's not that we necessarily disagree with the concept of cultural appropriation. It's that we think you're a moron who has no real understanding of it and who has never bothered to really engage critically with the issue and has just latched onto it as a way to provide yourself with a smug sense of superiority.
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Effectronica posted:What's real leftism, then? The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of ohmigod brandon that Chinese or Mexican or whatever ideogram tattoo is racist you're triggering me SedanChair posted:Yes, let's educate ourselves about them, using means like that article. For example, engaging in online sockpuppeting by appropriating the identity of marginalized group in the attempt to give more weight to lovely ideas. Like MRA types who pretend to be women in comments sections and on twitter. Or white engaged in digital blackface who play on "magic negro' style black stereotypes about the superior spiritual sensitivity or authenticity of people of color. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 22:41
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SedanChair posted:Haha no, those are terrible. I agree, anyone engaging in that sort of behavior is terrible and probably a racist and deserves to be called out for the problematic behavior 
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Apr 4, 2015 21:14
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Zeitgueist posted:People are talking about appropriation in the context of other oppression, not as if it's separate or worse. Was that before or after "people" were talking about how we should be chaining ourselves to the doors of Panda Express and firebombing Taco Bell?
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Apr 7, 2015 05:27
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Zeitgueist posted:Yeah that's all this thread can talk about, thanks The Insect Court! You're right, I mean what kind of dumbass would suggest that Chinese restaurants are a form of cultural appropri... Gabriel Pope posted:If someone wants to look like a tacky idiot I have a hard time seeing the righteous rage. I only really think a line is crossed when someone's making profit from minorities at their own expense, e.g. authentic ethnic restaurants/craftsmen/artists being driven out of business by lovely knockoffs repackaged for mass consumption. Zeitgueist posted:That's mainly what people complain about when they complain about CA. Oh yeah. And by the way, one shouldn't accuse one's interlocutors of simply failing to understand the issue Zeitgueist posted:It depends. The reason why folks are so quick to reject the concept of CA is because it's a nuanced topic. There's no specific line that says this is and this isn't, it's a more granular aspect of oppression, like microaggressions. If you only see oppression in broad, stark strokes, it's not really going to go anywhere. when you're busy railing against the shameful usurpation of the proud Fijian people's long and sacred tradition of drinking water. Zeitgueist posted:Cultural appropriation is only something that happens to college socialists, not something used to oppress the global poor and PoC.
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Effectronica posted:LMAO as always at the GBS inability to understand the existence of light-skinned black people. It's the perfect storm of ignorance and racism against blacks and whites. Not even sedanchair is willing to embarrass himself by making this argument, Effectronica. Not even sedanchair. This is what rock bottom looks like.
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Apr 13, 2015 01:36
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Effectronica posted:I mean, it's not something that anyone cares about now, unless you're doing something like carving sacred relics or whatever. Like sacred relics or General Tso's chicken or whatever. Can a Chinese-American open a Mongolian BBQ? Or do they get grandfathered in courtesy of the Yuan dynasty? Same question but inverted, re: Mongolian guy opening Chinese take-out place. Effectronica posted:And it also has led to this idea that SedanChair is white, because he doesn't care about what you "know" black people really care about and since he's light-skinned, he's therefore an easy target. So, in other words, you hold some very racist ideas in the name of fighting racism. Not the first time this has happened. still lollin' at this. For those of you playing along at home, sedanchair is a goony white guy who at some point decided that pretending to be a black guy would give his incredibly lovely D&D one-liners more credibility and authenticity. Not sure if it's technically cultural appropriation however, since I don't think shitposting is a specifically African-American cultural heritage. Still, kind of ironic given the subject of the thread. SedanChair posted:This is the narrative I was referring to above. Racists treat black people differently, and assume that all D&D posters must as well. Therefore I have committed fraud by being light. How dare you accuse me, a proud Navajo woman, of racism? But it's no surprise that a misogynist would have a problem with a woman speaking her mind  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Effectronica posted:They can do it if they prove that they murdered you over a course of three days. Wow, Eff. Try to keep it together. That post isn't in the spirit of D&D  Fyi, SedanChair is not black because he is a white guy who identifies and presents as a white guy because he's a creepy white guy who at some point decided he could pretend to be black in D&D, either just as a lazy troll or some sort of weird attention seeking. And after not bothering to mention it he's doubling down on it because he's found someone stupid enough to keep believing him. Naturally, the fact that what is a pretty blatant example of appropriation coming from inside the thread is being ignored by you is kind of ironic.
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