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Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot
One problem with wearing dreadslocks is that for white people, they are being rebellious, so lots of white people wearing them gets it labeled as rebellious and "unprofessional" and honestly they look terrible on white people so when actual black women wear them because that is how their hair is, they get pointed to a policy that ethnic styles are unprofessional

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Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot
Here is an example of it going in the other direction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/news/a36490/nazi-chic-teens-asia/

You can see why this is a problem. This is done mostly out of ignorance, a lot of these teens have no idea what the nazis did, they just think the uniforms are cool.

Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot

twodot posted:

Isn't the problem here that anyone thinks that people's hair styles matters at all?

Whether its fair or not people do judge you by the way you dress and wear your hair.

Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot
Its possible to care about both things.

I wouldn't say all appropriation is bad but some appropriation really upsets people and we should be willing to listen to their concerns.

Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot

LGD posted:

Who does this sort of idiocy materially harm though, beyond people who invest part of their self-conception in being gatekeepers of an ossified vision of their ("their") culture? And how do you actually separate "respectful participation" from "superficial treatment?" There has been some incredible art created by people who were primarily interested in the most superficial aspects of a culture, and the idiot in your example might be completely sincere in their desire to participate in Indian culture in an entirely respectful manner (even if they're doing so very badly).

Is there actually a difference that doesn't amount to an accusation of having exhibited bad taste?

Its completely subjective but it does have consequences sometimes, and we should be willing to hear out people who have a problem with their culture being appropriated, especially without much permission or credit. An example is the offensive use of Indians as mascots by white owned teams, or the use of Indians in branding. For example, the real Cherokee tribe was sued for trademark infringement by a white owned company that trademarked the name "Cherokee" for blue jeans and other clothing and lost. Crazy Horse is considered a cultural hero and its rather demeaning to see him used as a mascot to sell malt liquor, something that harms the native american community.

Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot

Dubstep Jesus posted:

I find it hard to believe that it took white people wearing dreads for the same hair style in African Americans to be viewed with disdain

Okay, obviously its not the only reason, its just a piece of something that hurts the credibility of people who have used that style before white people decided to wear it to be cool.

Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot

Lowtechs posted:

Seems to me that the best way to stop cultural appropriation by Whites is White Pride World Wide. Have White people reject non-White cultures and learn to love their own White culture will stop cultural appropriation.

Now that's just stupid. No one is saying, "never consume culture outside you own"

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Mandy Thompson
Dec 26, 2014

by zen death robot

The Insect Court posted:

Wow, I never knew those undocumented Guatemalans working the kitchen over at the local Chinese take-out place were cultural appropriators. Gonna put on my black bandana, fill up a couple molotov cocktails, and go let those Enemies of the People know how "problematic" their cultural appropriation is.

On that topic, is it cultural appropriation when Korean pop culture appropriates elements of Japanese culture? Or when Japan appropriates Chinese cultural markers? When

You're making a lot of strawman arguments. No one said all appropriation was bad.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

And then other confused white people fail to differentiate between decades of systematic under representation of minorities in their unique cultural arts and white people rapping.

This basically

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