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I think The Eleventh Hour stands on its own best. Rose is so awfully dated by now, and was never a spectacular episode to begin with.
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Bicyclops posted:Regional accents are almost always a class issue, aren't they? I sort of self-trained out of having my Boston accent and when I'm with my parents, it turns back on, but if I try to consciously turn it on in front of people who didn't grow up with it, I always feel embarrassed and ignorant, like I'm making fun of my own intelligence. I get irrationally upset when people try to claim that nobody uses the lexicon anymore, too, because it feels like my family is invisible sometimes. Yeah, regional accents in the UK are especially loaded with class and intelligence connotations. I read one linguistic study that featured several groups of college students receiving the same lecture from the same teacher: for some groups he'd use his natural Mancunian accent, and for others he'd speak in Received Pronunciation. The groups that received the lecture in Mancunian consistently rated the teacher as less intelligent, less informative and less able at his profession than those that heard the same man give the same lecture in RP. It wasn't so long ago, a matter of a few decades, that you literally weren't allowed to be a correspondent on a BBC news program unless you spoke in RP. What Eccleston's referring to in regards to it having gotten worse, at least in part, is the fact buzzing around in the UK media lately that so many up-and-coming actors are the product of an elite public school education and buckets of money. The upper crust has always been a disproportionate part of the flock in acting, but the inequality in that area is growing: Cumberbatch, Redmayne, even the lovable ones like Sophie Turner and Alfie Allen. Many of them have parents who are or were in the business, and almost all of them have had a huge familial pocketbook making sure they get the best opportunities from birth. Like he says in the interview, it's not their fault personally, but it's indicative of a worrying trend. Compare that to actors like Eccleston who come from a working class background and don't have a smooth, acceptable London accent, and it's easy to see why some people are worried or annoyed. The field of opportunity in acting for people who don't have every privilege is narrowing. e: I self-trained out of using my own Scottish accent at the age of sixteen, so haha, I know where you're coming from on this. It's rough out there!
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Apr 14, 2015 20:34
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Yeah, the "public" in the phrase "public school" refers to the fact that they're owned by members of the public as a business enterprise, rather than operating as an arm of the state.
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Apr 14, 2015 21:04
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I actually think Curse of Fenric is kind of awful. The whole thing with Ace and the Russian soldier falling in love in the most ham-handed way possible is almost unbelievable in how badly it plays on the screen.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:02
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You'd be surprised. I thought that too but they really are right. It's astonishing how bad Torchwood is, to the point where it's difficult even to enjoy ironically because it's just that drearily, determinedly sub-par.
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May 5, 2015 18:45
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Yeah, and it's even more layered on by the fact that initially the girl he drugs is disgusted by him and tells him to basically clear out, then when her boyfriend spots him going home with her and is like, "hey, leave her alone you creep,", he drugs him too. They both make it abundantly clear how much they dislike and mistrust him before he busts out the alien date rape spritzer on them. Basically whoever wrote that scene had a tin ear for tone and an inept social conscience. That's my take. e: also the whole thing has a distinct tone of "the populars are unfair and mean to this conventionally unattractive guy who just wants love, but it's okay because he makes them long for sex with the power of his massive science brain!". Very terrible.
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May 6, 2015 20:12
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Yeah, but it's more like "we were having fun with all this alien tech, when we're supposed to be responsible!" than "Owen, you are a serial rapist".
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May 6, 2015 20:28
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The_Doctor posted:The first episode of Torchwood was all Russell T. Davies' own work. Rusty wrote that scene. I stand by my statement and find it consistent with some of his work on Doctor Who.
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May 6, 2015 20:50
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My main problem with Forest of the Night is Clara's "better for everyone to die, than some people to live" speech. It feels weirdly jarring and not like anything anyone reasonable would ever think, kind of like it's just shoehorned in to talk about the Doctor's situation as the last of his race.
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May 23, 2015 12:11
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Sure, but she doesn't even ask them, just, welp, let's pack these children off to die. In fairness it's not a good, smart or fair thing to ask a child "would you rather just your parents and everyone you know died, or all that AND you die too?", but I feel like in a given situation where the question is, "should I allow a child to die?" you should usually err on the side of "do not allow child to die". e: also it's Doctor Who so "minimum viable population" probably wouldn't be a thing. The universe isn't that gritty and various technobabbly ways of getting around that problem are all over!
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May 23, 2015 12:36
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If Clara and the Doctor hadn't been there the people of Earth would have blown up the moon instead of letting the space dragon hatch. That's a pretty big difference, actually!
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May 25, 2015 18:40
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Burkion posted:Donna and the Doctor actually did a fair amount in that episode. Sigma was mostly the one doing stuff behind the scenes, but they were vital to things working out. Android Blues posted:If Clara and the Doctor hadn't been there the people of Earth would have blown up the moon instead of letting the space dragon hatch. That's a pretty big difference, actually! ??? Even in Forest of the Night the Doctor & co. broadcast a message telling people not to use herbicide on the trees, which would have wound up with the destruction of human civilization if they hadn't done it, so I think your memory of these episodes is foggy.
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May 26, 2015 16:47
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Wait, so your issue is not "Clara and the Doctor didn't affect the plot", it's "they affected the plot in a way I recognised but found implausible and so chose to ignore, then complain about the alternate version of the episode I thought up"?
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May 26, 2015 17:10
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I mean, Forest of the Night isn't good. I just don't think this is a very coherent way of criticising it.
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May 26, 2015 17:11
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I mean, she wouldn't have been there and astronaut lady would have blown up the moon, presumably.
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May 26, 2015 17:17
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Hot Fuzz is better than Ghostbusters, and what's more: Ghostbusters II is better than Ghostbusters!
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May 31, 2015 11:27
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Ghostbusters is a great movie but the jokes are actually a little thin on the ground and the characters and plot hang together loosely in places (Winston especially is underwritten). It really barely compares to something as tight and compelling as Hot Fuzz. I-m-o!
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May 31, 2015 12:41
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Like, not only is Hot Fuzz a hilarious comedy, it's also a genuinely compelling murder mystery, a horror, a police action flick. It somehow blends all these genres seamlessly without ever doing less service to any one of them, a feat it has in common with Shaun of the Dead.
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May 31, 2015 12:42
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River audios sound cool. I'd rather they just went ahead and had her meet the classic Doctors, though, that sounds like it would be funny and fun. They might have to do a little continuity wangling to manage it but it's Doctor Who, that kind of thing happens all the time.
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Jun 27, 2015 10:43
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They'd use the Silence, but nobody remembers them.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:33
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Time and the Rani is silly, stupid nonsense, but it's funny pantomime-esque nonsense and it doesn't involve the Doctor choking his companion, so I'd vote for it in that horse race.
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Jul 9, 2015 22:24
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That trailer is killer. The opening monologue by Capaldi sounds like it has the potential to be one of Twelve's great speeches.
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That Missy is the Rani fakeout was just to blindside us for when it turns out that Maisie Williams really is the Rani.
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