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QUACKTASTIC posted:Also laughing at Barnaby on TV calling for a 'discussion' on the death penalty in Australia. ..what? Is there a quote for this? Is he seriously suggesting we implement it?
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QUACKTASTIC posted:Also laughing at Barnaby on TV calling for a 'discussion' on the death penalty in Australia. I for one, am for Barnaby Joyce to be put to death. I propose he kills his are self.
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Apr 30, 2015 00:15
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Wasn't there already a conversation about the death penalty back in the 60s? It seems like a waste of time anyway, it doesn't have a great deal of support in this country.  http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/08/28/our-changing-views-on-the-death-penalty/
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Apr 30, 2015 00:39
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The Barnaby Joyce quote strikes me as odd. On the one hand it points to his being against the death penalty, but on the other he's asking for a debate about it. Is he faking his opposition to the death penalty because of his position? Or does he want to use debate to convince those who are for the death penalty of the reasons why it's a bad thing? Or is his opposition flexible and prone to being convinced otherwise?
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Apr 30, 2015 00:40
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open24hours posted:Wasn't there already a conversation about the death penalty back in the 60s? It seems like a waste of time anyway, it doesn't have a great deal of support in this country. What happened around 89, 95? I figure 89 was to execute bankers, but port arthur was 96.
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Apr 30, 2015 00:43
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Amoeba102 posted:What happened around 89, 95? The dip around 90 is when Vanilla Ice was at his most popular.
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TERRORISTS  WA Today posted:The Abbott government quietly scrapped an instruction to the Australian Federal Police last year requiring it to take Australia's opposition to the death penalty into account when co-operating with overseas law enforcement agencies.
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Apr 30, 2015 01:11
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Let's just keep in mind that most elected officials will do everything in there power to stay elected. They will say and do whatever they think their voting base want to hear on any particular issue. They will happily contradict themselves by saying one thing and implementing another.
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Les Affaires posted:The Barnaby Joyce quote strikes me as odd. On the one hand it points to his being against the death penalty, but on the other he's asking for a debate about it. it appears he is against it, but is concerned about the number of Australians who are vocally in favour of it. so probably the bolded.
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The death penalty was abolished in spite of public opinion and is one of the few examples of our elitist system leading to a positive outcome.
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Apr 30, 2015 01:23
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Murodese posted:Who was it that worked for the AEC? Got a question I need to ask, some vote counts are missing. I used to work for the WAEC, but I don't think I'm the one you're thinking of! Feel free to chuck me a PM though.
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Apr 30, 2015 01:34
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The Age posted:Daniel Andrews announces second river crossing freeway cost $5b to be built by 2020 The contract negotiations are going to be interesting. Not a word of complaint if the Opposition campaigns on a "tear up the contract" platform.
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Apr 30, 2015 03:26
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QUACKTASTIC posted:Also laughing at Barnaby on TV calling for a 'discussion' on the death penalty in Australia. if there was a vote to reinstate the death penalty i bet australians would vote in favour of it with a strong majority. the rare time it ever comes up to people i talk to theyre usually either undecided or in favour of it for things like murder and rape
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Apr 30, 2015 03:29
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Les Affaires posted:The Barnaby Joyce quote strikes me as odd. On the one hand it points to his being against the death penalty, but on the other he's asking for a debate about it. He's hedging his bets so he can have a foot in both camps. Just like how most politicians are of course in favour of marriage equality and would love to do something about it but we have to respect the bigots.
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Graic Gabtar posted:The contract negotiations are going to be interesting. Why does this country have such a hard-on for motorways all of a sudden? Some of the articles that have been doing the rounds over the past few days: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/28/end-of-the-car-age-how-cities-outgrew-the-automobile quote:End of the car age: how cities are outgrowing the automobile http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/committee-for-sydneys-tim-williams-slams-road-building-plans-for-city-20150429-1mv3vq.html quote:Committee for Sydney's Tim Williams slams road building plans for city
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Because we have a complete and utter lack of imagination in our political class. It would be nice if they were even pretending to plan for the future, I'd love to see something on this scale for an Australian city. http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2011/05/27/paris-region-moves-ahead-with-125-miles-of-new-metro-lines/
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Jet fuel can melt your genes
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Would it be too much for the ABC to link the actual information in question? It's not really news that the lovely aromatic compounds you'd find in jet fuel tanks are loving nasty my stepdads beer posted:Why does this country have such a hard-on for motorways all of a sudden? Oh wait... Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 04:26
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open24hours posted:Because we have a complete and utter lack of imagination in our political class. This really bothers me. There's always a huge debate around implementing infrastructure that other countries have been using successfully for decades. Doesn't matter if it's rail, bicycles, renewable energy, or the internet, there just seems to be a huge resistance against doing anything other than "more of the same". Nobody can imagine the future dividends that this infrastructure could deliver. gently caress knows how our economy is going to be competitive going into the future.
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http://f111.dva.gov.au/documents/JFES_Molecular%20studies%20DesealReseal.pdf Dunno why they needed a FOI request.
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Need to get that flying cars poo poo happening. Practical problems to overcome in public transport. It takes me 35 minutes to drive to work which is OK, but I leave as just after 6AM so I only have to navigate manic tradies. I've tried taking public transport. If I drive to the nearest train station it takes a hour and a half. If I didn't use the car at all you could add 15 minutes to that easily. It's an impossible choice. Either lose productivity in a massive way by starving the road system until alternatives catch up or just carry on as we are watching the gap grow larger.
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open24hours posted:http://f111.dva.gov.au/documents/JFES_Molecular%20studies%20DesealReseal.pdf The ABC report isn't actually that bad a summary of the medical report.
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Apr 30, 2015 04:50
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Graic Gabtar posted:It's an impossible choice. Either lose productivity in a massive way by starving the road system until alternatives catch up or just carry on as we are watching the gap grow larger. It's not impossible, it's just very very expensive, and we have politicians that are willing to bury projects that are just about guaranteed to make them money (like the NBN) because they have such little vision for the future.
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open24hours posted:Because we have a complete and utter lack of imagination in our political class. You should look up the WA2.0 plan that Ludlam did. It's quite good.
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open24hours posted:It's not impossible, it's just very very expensive, and we have politicians that are willing to bury projects that are just about guaranteed to make them money (like the NBN) because they have such little vision for the future. OK, it's an impossible choice based on our current thinking.
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Its because our society is built on the idea that to be something you have to had got there by yourself. Get a job, get a car, leave home, struggle paying off your own house because renting is just leaning on someone else, do everything on your own to prove you are capable. Public transport is seen as 'well im too poor to have my own car so I will use the governments car instead' and also full of disgusting people so yeah, people avoid it at all costs. If I could walk 5 minutes to a train, get on the train and get to work in 40min and then walk another 5 to the office, that would be awesome. Currently its a 25min walk to the station, one train to redfern then a change to another line, and then a 10min walk. it takes longer than driving in lovely traffic and not only that, its surrounded by Australians so why wouldnt I want to sit in my car, windows up, stereo on, and no one loving drooling on me or making me sick?
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can't we just kill the boomers and start again as a real society
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Laserface posted:Its because our society is built on the idea that to be something you have to had got there by yourself. and it costs you $30 a day
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http://www.theage.com.au/business/m...430-1mwl4r.htmlquote:US miner Cliffs Natural Resources says the seaborne supply of iron ore to China is a "doomed, horrible business", and declared it can't wait to finish mining in Western Australia.
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starkebn posted:and it costs you $30 a day The car or the public transport? Because in the example given it'd cap at $15 a day at worst due to daily caps.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Need to get that flying cars poo poo happening. It's because you live in a place designed for the automobile. Trying to live without one is always going to be poo poo. Sydney has the population density of a wet fart so of course everyone chooses to drive everywhere and public transport barely works in most places. We built the city badly and we continue to power on - somehow believing if we stay the course everything will work out even though it hasn't for 40 years. "Just one more motorway! this one is the missing link! then traffic will be solved!". The debate shouldn't be 'should we build roads or rail in our current city' it should be 'how can we fix our city'
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I think he meant the car. Last time I checked it was about $1/km to drive a private car once you include parking/petrol/maintenance/depreciation Not to mention the gigantic government subsidy on building the roads in the first place
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Amoeba102 posted:The car or the public transport? Because in the example given it'd cap at $15 a day at worst due to daily caps. I'm talking about public transport in Brisbane
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starkebn posted:I'm talking about public transport in Brisbane Yikes. I can get my weekly public transport cost for under $30. Sydney being not terrible for once.
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In Perth I pay around $6/day... Or less if I am working at the office that's 2stops closer
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starkebn posted:and it costs you $30 a day rego and insurance works out to $4.50 a day. I use about $80 in petrol every 10 days, and about 25-30% of that is not used getting to/from work. Even if it was all commuting to work, its still not hitting your numbers. this is less than public transport would cost and more convenient, even if its lovely sitting in traffic. adding maintenance costs isnt even going to reach your number if I was to include changing my oil, oil filter, gearbox fluid and spark plugs every 5000kms and using premium fluids (which is what the manufacturer recommends) If you cant tell, Im a gearhead. I seriously enjoy driving, but there is nothing fun about driving in traffic and I would gladly take public transport to work and back if it was either significantly cheaper or saved me time. Unfortunately its neither of those things, in addition to other negatives, so why the gently caress would I even consider it? poo poo Id even be happy with tripling the number of buses on the road, since we are probably too far gone to ever expand Sydneys' rail network in any meaningful way. No one will get behind it though because public transport doesnt appeal to the general public. I loved Tokyos rail network and how easy it was getting around while I was there, and didnt need to rely on a car at all (OK so one taxi because the trains were finished at 2am on a Tuesday). If we had something like that in place, I would be on it for the bulk of my transportation needs.
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if you support public transport, are white and wealthy you can just live in perth anywhere along the fremantle rail line. you can go to and from work in the company of other lovely, environmentally conscious middle class white people and circlejerk each other all the way from north freo to east perth, with nary a person of colour in sight.
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Laserface posted:rego and insurance works out to $4.50 a day. I use about $80 in petrol every 10 days, and about 25-30% of that is not used getting to/from work. Annual tyre change at ~$600 is another $2/day how much your car cost? 40k? How much will it be worth in 5years? $20k? That's another $11/day. Counting it as a sunk cost and ignoring those costs for your commute is dishonest when making this argument.
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literally every suburb along the fremantle rail line has a higher average income than the australian mean so fear not white people, you will not have to rub shoulders with poors
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Negligent posted:if you support public transport, are white and wealthy you can just live in perth anywhere along the fremantle rail line. you can go to and from work in the company of other lovely, environmentally conscious middle class white people and circlejerk each other all the way from north freo to east perth, with nary a person of colour in sight. Truly wealthy people will purchase along the train line and then continue to drive to work.
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