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norp
Jan 20, 2004

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I'm not reading the screed so I'll just go ahead and assume that bolt is Jesus and the cross is 18c

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norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Last one I had do that charged me about $4 less than the average fare for that trip so I didn't complain. I know to watch for it after the first time it happened where I got screwed tho

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://m.canberratimes.com.au/comment/antipenalty-rates-campaign-backfires-20150406-1mfblu.html

quote:

The ad itself makes no sense whatsoever.

It's a picture of, I guess, an employer holding her hands in front of her face. I'm assuming she's shielding her face from the cameras, in much the same way as those who are leaving courts shield their faces from the camera.

Clearly, she's left her hoodie at home. And then, on the palms of her hands, she's written, "I'm" on one hand and "sorry" on the other. Well, sister, if you've done the crime, you do the time.

The ad itself makes no sense whatsoever.

It's a picture of, I guess, an employer holding her hands in front of her face. I'm assuming she's shielding her face from the cameras, in much the same way as those who are leaving courts shield their faces from the camera.

Clearly, she's left her hoodie at home. And then, on the palms of her hands, she's written, "I'm" on one hand and "sorry" on the other. Well, sister, if you've done the crime, you do the time.

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But actually, the only crime here is the serious misjudgement of the Australian mood. Turns out it's part of a campaign by the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry to get ordinary people to complain to the federal government about penalty rates.

The ad says: "This Easter long weekend, we're sorry that we will be closed. We'd like to be open to serve you. We'd like to give local people jobs. But the penalty rates are too high. Tell Canberra something has to change."

That's what passes for sophisticated advocacy these days.

Fortunately, the ads didn't last long. People all over Australia told their local shopkeepers and café owners that if their businesses displayed the posters, customers would take their custom elsewhere.

Kate Carnell, the chief executive officer of the ACCI, said on Monday some small business owners had been intimidated. Some, she said, were called names. And on top of all that, the unions ran a social media campaign.

"Free speech is OK but not to claim you are going to boycott," she said.

Intimidating? That's a word which gets bandied about a lot – and frequently by bullies themselves – but in this case, you'd have to imagine it's useful to tell a shopkeeper you plan to take your custom elsewhere. It's like giving people notice when you plan to move out.

Censoring free speech? Yes, you can say what you like and display what you like, but Australians have the right to shop where they like. Money is the language of power in this consumer relationship.

So I went walking in my local neighbourhood over Easter. Some shops and cafes were closed but most were open and packed. Waiters get a loading of 250 per cent on public holidays (look in the PayCheckPlus section of the Fair Work Ombudsman's website). That's fair enough – you give up your precious free time to wrangle queues for coffee and food – why not get a share of the extra income?

My suburb too anecdotal for you?

The Mudgee Guardian wrote a story about its local chamber of commerce joining the anti-penalty rates campaign and then posted it on its Facebook page. The comments went wild and editor Robyn Murray says she was surprised: "I thought [readers] would side with the business people."

Instead the posts were overwhelmingly supportive of people being paid extra to work on weekends and holidays. I wondered whether she recognised the names of those who were posting, or whether it was a Unions Australia stunt.

"No, I know them by sight or by name," said Murray, who's been editor for five years. So how did Mudgee businesses fare over the Easter break? Murray says one of her reporters came back to work after lunch on Monday, complaining because all his favourite cafes were packed.

Last week, Ged Kearney, president of the ACTU, was at her desk in Melbourne when the phone rang. It was ACCI's Carnell, complaining about the reaction to the anti-penalty rates campaign. She accused Kearney of intimidating her members, who were only expressing opinions by putting up those posters.

"She blamed the unions for that. What did she expect us to do? Throw up our hands?

"This is the amazing thing – does she not understand how attacked our members feel about their relentless campaigning against their pay and standards of living?" Kearney asked.

Turns out that Kearney's sole contribution to the backlash was a colleague's well-advised posts on the Australian Unions Facebook page and a judicious use of Twitter.

That campaigning is part of their work: "Members feel attacked and undervalued and we are going to fight against that."

But beyond this particular campaign, the battle to take away penalty rates is real – and it's more than just a series of poorly-conceived posters. The ACCI's submission to the Fair Work Commission makes that very clear.

As I've argued before, business owners and lobbyists always make the case about shopping and eating, relying on our baser selves and our greed. But it's their greed which needs addressing here. Do you imagine that any savings would be passed on to you, the consumer?

The real target is always the biggest sector which pays penalty rates. The nurses. The social workers. Yes, those most likely to be paid penalty rates work in social assistance and health care. And one-third of them rely on that income to pay household expenses.

Yes, not cappuccino. Not take away chicken wraps. But rent, electricity, water. And most of those people lived in households with a total income of less than $30,000.

And thanks John Carney for this tip. Employers and governments might better understand why penalty rates matter if we use their terms.

That's not a penalty rate. That's a price signal.

Amazing, just simply amazing. I can't believe they thought this campaign was a good idea.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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CrazyTolradi posted:

lovely movie had a budget of $5mil, got $55mil in box office revenue. Nope that's not enough for greedy poo poo movie makers in Hollywood.

You know the movie probably lost money of paper though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Maybe they will approach it as a social/health issue?

nope, look forward to more money for cops at train stations and black people in prison

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It'll be awesome when everyone starts moving to solar panels + heat pump water + batteries because of those sort of policies.
Battery prices are dropping pretty steadily right now so eventually you'll just have a fridge-sized battery somewhere to store all the power from the day.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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You were all doing so well at ignoring Craig's attempts at getting a rise out of you. Seriously, why does the stupid "lawyers picnic" bullshit work so well for trolls?

Nevermind the fact that most of the time the lawyers taking on the asylum seeker's case are pro-bono (as in the case for the constitutional challenges) or are paid minimally by asylum seeker advocacy groups. The QC's on the other side of the room are normally getting paid a shitload more.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It's pretty much right

The bit it's missing is that the Libs are proposing to change the cut offs for getting full pension, meaning that they are attacking rich people - which is totally the greens m-o

Edit: wow, took longer to post that than I thought

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Graic Gabtar posted:

They will get grumpy about using a VPN but I don't know why you would bother trying to as it's pretty easy to sort out a gifting option.

There is even a goon run one that gives you an additional 15% off the U.S. price (when he actually has steam wallet credit)

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...411-1mie6x.html

Phone posting so sorry you have to click it.

Finally an actually good policy out of these fuckwits!!
Holding back Family tax benefit A if you "conscientiously object" to vaccinating your spoilt little brats!!

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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The article sounds like it's a savings measure, but any savings will be illusory because the objectors will just vanish as soon as it hits them in the wallet

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://theconversation.com/want-worker-wages-to-rise-end-the-corporate-income-tax-39287

I know this is a U.S. article but is this just the usual neocon ladder curve bullshit or is there something to this?

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Yeah I get that the whole company tax thing is just a race to the bottom. I guess maybe I was reading the article in a different light and hoping it was going start advocating taxing capital/land instead of trying to play the futile game of taxing local profits in our increasingly international system.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Bifauxnen posted:

GEE GOOD THING WE GOT RID OF THAT CARBON TAX THEN

How loving stupid are people, if they were all scared about the negligible cost of living increase from the carbon tax, why are they so forgiving about raising the GST which is going to apply to so many more things in their daily life and keep on racking up day in and day out, every single drat time they spend their disposable income anywhere?

Not to mention that someone with a wage of $30k will probably pay around $200 per year for every percentage point they raise the GST by.
Say good by to your "$550 saving" from axing the tax

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Gough Suppressant posted:

Don't mention the Canadian part. I almost want him to win so some nutter brings a case to the Supreme Court and they actually have to rule on whether you need to be born in the US or just a citizen at birth.

Not to derail but haven't they done that already because of someone who was born in a US military base overseas?

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It's a bit like the uni funding ads, no substance and a promise of some substance (maybe) at some point if you agree to something we won't explain to you very well.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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katlington posted:

Even if free it's a solution in search of a problem. Nobody has yet demonstrated why it's needed, let alone why it would outweigh the negatives. Australia isn't made of money, why should my tax go to useless needless policies just to placate you?

How about the fact that by using drivers license as the primary form of id document you are excluding the growing number of people that choose not to drive a car from access to effective documentation.
Think of all the things that require id, now try and make 100 points as someone renting a room for cash in a share house where your name isn't on the utilities.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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In WA I'm pretty sure a learners is still just a bit of paper with no photo. And our proof of age card doesn't have an address.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-14/fossil-fuels-just-lost-the-race-against-renewables

quote:

The race for renewable energy has passed a turning point. The world is now adding more capacity for renewable power each year than coal, natural gas, and oil combined. And there's no going back.

The shift occurred in 2013, when the world added 143 gigawatts of renewable electricity capacity, compared with 141 gigawatts in new plants that burn fossil fuels, according to an analysis presented Tuesday at the Bloomberg New Energy Finance annual summit in New York. The shift will continue to accelerate, and by 2030 more than four times as much renewable capacity will be added.

Gotta love that our government believes that "Coal is the future"

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Urcher posted:

Debian everywhere for me. If you are new to Linux on the desktop I'd start with Ubuntu, and save Debian for servers.

I'd argue that you should choose FreeBSD for servers. There's a lot less flavour of the month upheavals.
Although I had a few problems during the gcc -> clang transition on my home machine.

I do regret not having a native version of mono/coreclr tho, means I'm stuck with sickbeard for now. At least until Microsoft finish their LLVM runtime stuff

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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As a graduate this can not be quoted enough

hooman posted:

gently caress me UWA is just the loving worst.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Orkin Mang posted:

yo, bros, why is the gst said to be a regressive tax when since it applies to everyone it sounds like it should be an equitable tax. i heard somewhere, clarke and dawe i think, that its regressive bc consumption makes up a great proportion of poor peoples income than highers. how does that work? it doesnt sound obvious to me

the reason it is regressive is the "marginal utility of money"

Someone who spends 100% of their income on goods and services will pay 10% (roughly) of their after tax income on GST
Someone who spends 20% of their income on goods and services will pay 2% of their income on GST


edit: beaten like a dead horse

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It's also bad for the poor because GST is not levied until you actually spend your money.
So you are able to remian untaxed, earning money from your money, until some point in your future where you spend some small portion of your loot.

This is why you should punch anyone who suggests we should replace income tax with consumption taxes.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Les Affaires posted:

The only realistic way to bring GST up equitably is in part to cut income taxes.

Sorry, wasn't clear. I meant someone who wants to replace ALL income taxes with consumption taxes.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Tokamak posted:

Unless these are brand new coal plants, 35 years would mean that they live a full life ;)

The coded message was

"Our investment horizon is greater than 30 years and new build coal is more expensive than renewables and gas"

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Whenever you shitheads scoff at WA complaining about the commonwealth cutting the grants because of *reasons* makes me realise you don't pay attention as well as you should.

I couldn't find it but there was an actually worth reading (it doesn't happen often) editorial by Alannah MacTiernan in the west today that I wish I could find online. It made obvious how dumb the allocation rules are, like Tasmania technically having their whole state classed as "remote" for schooling and hospitals cause they have their nearest capital city in Melbourne and maxing out the distance calculations at around 1200km so lots of the Kimberly was more than double the distance taken into account.
Not to mention that WA doesn't allow pokie machines outside casinos (thank loving god) but gambling revenue is not counted in the distribution.

The bigger problem is that the media coverage is on the wrong parts of the problem just because they are cyclical in nature

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It's Saturday morning and everyone is hammering Netflix

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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That article was terrible.

Who the hell is that guy and why does he hate Netflix so much?

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Seagull posted:

unless you're about to be shot in the head you shouldn't try to get out of harm's way but if that is the case don't ask for help you selfish gently caress you should've had the foresight to get out of harms way

And only do it if there are no bodies of water in the way

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/23/victorian-town-gets-41m-benefit-from-resettling-burmese-karen-refugees

Pretty sure this is an awesome rebuttal to hooman's lovely avatar.

edit: that works out to an economic increase of $49k a year per refugee assuming they were all settled in one go in 2010. So even if we pay every single one of them newstart + rent assistance (we aren't because a great deal of them get jobs) it is still worth it.

norp fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 23, 2015

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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It's not even that.

It's that every year your super account will earn money, and if the account earns more than 75k in interest you will pay 15% on every dollar earned over that amount.
In other words you could draw down 75k/year from your super and still be increasing your capital if you are retired and rich enough to pay this tax.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Lord Windy posted:

You guys are very antagonistic.

But thanks for the report, I'll read it.

It's horrific nightmare fuel, you have been warned.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Graic Gabtar posted:

Oh gods. When would you ever think that would be OK?

You do realise that these people have a very tenuous grasp on reality, right?

They are the kind of people that will happily go on about "chemtrails" and how you shouldn't use microwave ovens because of "radiation"

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Lord Windy posted:

Well that was an eye opener. I gather that the reason for detention is to deter people from coming yes?

Yes, the policy is explicit in it's goal to make going back to the place you left more attractive.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Graic Gabtar posted:

If vaccination is sexual assault to these people, what the gently caress is major surgery?

I assume you mean "brought in unconscious with no ID and rushed into surgery with no ability to sign a consent form", I assume that consensual surgery would be equivalent to consensual sex.

I don't like this analogy

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wa-prisoners-cost-115000-a-year-each-new-figures-show/story-fnhocxo3-1226730978849

Around $100k depending on jurisdiction and security level.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Shooting refugees? Now there's a policy that Negligent and Craig can get behind!!!

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Gough Suppressant posted:

There is a moral obligation to book and then hijack as many uber operators as you can.

Serious question, would that be putting both of you at danger of requiring rescue?

norp
Jan 20, 2004

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Obviously thats why they chose that as the cutoff

:rolleye:

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norp
Jan 20, 2004

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/it-defies-belief-that-the-liberals-would-lock-themselves-into-a-hostile-senate


Noted elected-through-voter-apathy senator David Lion Helm complaining about changes to senate voting to make things easier for people.

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