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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Shut up SedanChair. I can't believe you'd try to silence a proud black man.
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Apr 9, 2015 15:36
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Mr. Nice! posted:I can't believe you'd try to silence a proud black man. My gosh you guys are reliable.
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Apr 9, 2015 15:38
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Mr. Nice! posted:I can't believe you'd try to silence a proud black man. Well it didn't take you too long to show your true colors
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Apr 9, 2015 15:46
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True colors? By pointing out to someone that our worldwide naval presence is necessary to ensure the free flow of global commerce?
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Apr 9, 2015 15:49
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SedanChair posted:It's of immense value to those who profit from it, and none whatsoever to anybody else. Well yeah, that's why Japan's government is so in favor of it.
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Apr 9, 2015 16:28
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Mr. Nice! posted:I can't believe you'd try to silence a proud white man. fixed that for you :iamafag: Nintendo Kid posted:Well yeah, that's why Japan's government is so in favor of it. no you see japaneseland would get bombed again if they evicted the base
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Apr 9, 2015 18:16
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Great job guys, the racism is really sharpening your rebuttals.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:20
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SedanChair posted:Great job guys, the racism is really sharpening your rebuttals. look at how faded your poo poo is
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Apr 9, 2015 18:24
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I responded earnestly.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:25
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SedanChair posted:It's of immense value to those who profit from it, and none whatsoever to anybody else. No loving poo poo. Military force isn't a goddamn charity. It's meant to secure the interests of its parent nation. If those interests happen to benefit allies or other parties that's great but it's not the end goal.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:28
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Bolow posted:No loving poo poo. Military force isn't a goddamn charity. It's meant to secure the interests of its parent nation. If those interests happen to benefit allies or other parties that's great but it's not the end goal. But why defend it? I think we were all taking the power politics as a given.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:19
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Hey guys the military is only a benefit to those whom it benefits, hope that helps.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:21
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SedanChair posted:But why defend it? I think we were all taking the power politics as a given. in the grim darkness of
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Apr 9, 2015 19:22
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SedanChair posted:Why are you invested in the strategic interests or priorities of the United States? Maybe Nostalgia4Infinity is American?
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Apr 9, 2015 19:23
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like, the most you can get is everyone agreeing to have a lovely military and oversight from all the other guys to make sure it's actually lovely so everyone feels safer because nobody has a sufficiently overwhelming military advantage to swing their nuclear armed dick around casually and everyone has enough of a military to prevent whoever overestimates the size of their tiny conventional penis from penetrating their areas of interest this works until someone buys a fuckton of bombs for no good reason suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 19:25
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or maybe we should have a world government that gets all the guns in case we have to blow up an alien invasion (and to fight crime in their spare time), which is going to happen soon(tm)
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Apr 9, 2015 19:33
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SedanChair posted:But why defend it? I think we were all taking the power politics as a given. Because American imperialism is actually pretty loving cool and rad* *provided you don't live in the middle east, central or south america and Vietnam circa 1960
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Apr 9, 2015 19:35
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blowfish posted:or maybe we should have a world government that gets all the guns in case we have to blow up an alien invasion (and to fight crime in their spare time), which is going to happen soon(tm)
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Apr 9, 2015 19:35
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I think you mean Superman will kill his wife!
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Apr 9, 2015 19:44
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Jarmak posted:Hey guys the military is only a benefit to those whom it benefits, hope that helps. Well maybe the people it benefits could pay for it. That's cool that companies want to ship manufacturing jobs overseas and count on the US Navy to pay all the costs of protecting their shipments of manufactured crap back to the USA, so how about we just submit them a big-rear end invoice instead of continually cutting the corporate tax rate and shifting the costs of defending their commercial empires onto average people. ...I mean yeah sure, it's good for average Americans if pirates don't capture shipments of raw materials like the rare earths being mined in Mongolia, but the US Navy is hilariously oversized for the job of blowing up some piddly little pirates. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 01:46
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We should raise the top bracket tax rate well before we should try and raise the corporate rates. Also, shipping manufacturing overseas doesn't have anything to do with why its important for the US to keep the oceans safe and trade flowing.
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Apr 10, 2015 01:58
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:We should raise the top bracket tax rate well before we should try and raise the corporate rates. Actually, no. Though really it's not a question of raising the rates so much as finally funding the IRS enough to go after blatant tax evasion schemes that they don't have the personnel to combat.
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Apr 10, 2015 02:02
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Which isn't raising the rates, is it? I'm all for running down fraud, tax evasion, and generally making life miserable for companies that want to take government support and then decide they're suddenly an Irish company because their tax would be lower. That doesn't change the fact that we'd be better off dropping another 20-30% on the top income tax bracket.
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Apr 10, 2015 02:05
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Which isn't raising the rates, is it? I'm all for running down fraud, tax evasion, and generally making life miserable for companies that want to take government support and then decide they're suddenly an Irish company because their tax would be lower. That doesn't change the fact that we'd be better off dropping another 20-30% on the top income tax bracket. The rates proper are too low.
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Apr 10, 2015 02:08
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Closing loopholes and going after tax evasion raises the effective rates. But instead of doing this, we say "well can't stop companies from exploiting the loopholes their lobbyists deliberately put into the tax code so let's lower their rates again"
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Apr 10, 2015 02:08
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someone earlier mentioned unit 731 as a justification for unconditional surrender. Fun facts: the guy who ran unit 731 was exempted from this 'unconditional surrender' and given amnesty by the US in exchange for the medical notes he kept on all the experimentation. this way the information wouldn't go to waste/the US wouldn't have to do more Tuskegee syphilis experiments on blacks. so it's not really a good example. Cheers
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Apr 10, 2015 03:43
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Considering China is building artificial islands to house military bases in the Spratleys , I think the value of US military bases in the west pacific is pretty obvious. quote:The Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Japan have competing claims in the area. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 03:54
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Rodatose posted:someone earlier mentioned unit 731 as a justification for unconditional surrender. Fun facts: the guy who ran unit 731 was exempted from this 'unconditional surrender' and given amnesty by the US in exchange for the medical notes he kept on all the experimentation. this way the information wouldn't go to waste/the US wouldn't have to do more Tuskegee syphilis experiments on blacks. so it's not really a good example. Cheers The best part about it? Unit 731 provided fuckall for good information. It was all just grotesque torture with little to no value. The nazi scientists were actually useful in that regard.
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Apr 10, 2015 04:12
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Finding out the Japanese didn't discover some secret biological super weapon isn't without value in 1945, in terms of eliminating unknown unknowns.
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Apr 10, 2015 04:44
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The world would be so much better if Japan built up their own military. What's that? No, I haven't heard anything ever about East Asian history or talked to a Chinese person ever. Why do you ask? Now, if you don't mind, I've got to stand up for the oppressed victims of the Japanese dictatorship on Okinawa.
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Apr 10, 2015 05:56
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The pro okinawans don't want japanese buildup on okinawa. okinawa is a relatively recent conquest, why should it follow that it goes to the conquerors of the conquerors as a lump sum deal Some parts of modern nation states are not assimilated willingly e: the goal should be to be enough of a hassle to not make it worth the effort for anyone, not "who do we best want to serve in the great geopolitical game." Rodatose fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 06:03
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Ah yes the creeping CHINESE MILITARY THREAT They're going to invade Hawaii and take all their Baofeng radios back.
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Apr 10, 2015 06:29
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Best Friends posted:The world would be so much better if Japan built up their own military. What's that? No, I haven't heard anything ever about East Asian history or talked to a Chinese person ever. Why do you ask? Now, if you don't mind, I've got to stand up for the oppressed victims of the Japanese dictatorship on Okinawa. Indeed, lets honor the Chinese who were brutally exterminated by the Japanese military by building a military base for the the express purpose of militarily intimidating China.
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Apr 10, 2015 06:42
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Chomskyan posted:Indeed, lets honor the Chinese who were brutally exterminated by the Japanese military by building a military base for the the express purpose of militarily intimidating China. The Chinese, who are so intimidated they're still one of America's main economic trading partners despite our ongoing military confrontations with them.
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Apr 10, 2015 06:45
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So now we're fantasizing that American naval bases are the only obstacle to a Japanese conquest of the People's Republic of China.
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Apr 10, 2015 06:53
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There's always another horde ready to take over. if there isn't then all those years in the service would have just been a normal job, like a janitor, clerk or construction worker, without any greater significance. or actually, less significance because those other jobs actually provide something more tangible than a sense of security
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Apr 10, 2015 06:59
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VitalSigns posted:So now we're fantasizing that American naval bases are the only obstacle to a Japanese conquest of the People's Republic of China. Which is funny when you consider nobody has done more to re-militarize the Japanese than the U.S.
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Apr 10, 2015 07:04
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It must be a struggle to simultaneously believe arms races don't exist or inflame tensions while also being very mad at the U.S. military industrial complex. I'm just crossing my fingers that someday Japan will finally be a democracy and be able to make their own decisions.
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Best Friends posted:It must be a struggle to simultaneously believe arms races don't exist or inflame tensions while also being very mad at the U.S. military industrial complex. A theoretical Japanese arms race with China might be bad, so let's just get into an even bigger arms race with china ourselves 
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