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You're right TinTower, I'm going to vote for the extremely principled Lib Dems who as we all know are unwilling to compromise their convictions for the merest sniff of power. e: Or maybe we live in a less than ideal country with a less than ideal system of government a less than ideal electorate and less than ideal politicians and I will choose the lesser of many evils. XMNN fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 1, 2015 |
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If Labour get less seats, and are bombarded by 'weak government propped up by nationalist rhetoric' and have completely failed to make the distinction between, or argue in favour of, any kind of arrangement, intentional or otherwise, with the SNP, how is there government going to be anything but a disaster, hobbled right out of the gate?
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May 1, 2015 00:28
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Dan Didio posted:If Labour get less seats, and are bombarded by 'weak government propped up by nationalist rhetoric' and have completely failed to make the distinction between, or argue in favour of, any kind of arrangement, intentional or otherwise, with the SNP, how is there government going to be anything but a disaster, hobbled right out of the gate?
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May 1, 2015 00:36
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Watching those debates, I just despair. It's not just the politicians that are the problem any more. The general public are generally loving idiots who don't know what they want, but they know they don't want others getting anything either. I used to be against spoiling ballots, but in this entire election, we're just picking what limb we want removed with bolt cutters.
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May 1, 2015 00:39
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Happy International Workers Day, comrades.
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LemonDrizzle posted:There's a difference between making the Murdoch press/Torygraph howl and being a disaster. Miliband's run the entire campaign on a platform of "go gently caress yourself, Rupert", so it's not like it's something that can't be dealt with if it happens. And Labour have also ran on the platform "the largest party get to form the government", at least in Scotland. They've de-legitimised their own future government without needing any help from the tories.
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May 1, 2015 01:01
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Watching those debates, I just despair. You've just got to hope, that it was only a slice of stupidity that was shown, and that the general public are mostly considerate and liable to vote for the genuinely best intentions of-hahahaha who am I loving kidding!?  Too many are plain ignorant of what they're voting for (maybe slightly excusable 20 odd years ago, but not now, with the internet), or worse, they blindly believe what the tabloids and telly tell them, and can't, or won't be convinced otherwise.
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May 1, 2015 01:08
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Roll on the May thread so we can get this poo poo-show over with.XMNN posted:Happy International Workers Day, comrades. Aye. Workers of the world unite, and complain about loving immigrants and scroungers apparently 
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May 1, 2015 01:20
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Coohoolin posted:Nah I just really like the Brig O Balgownie, it's a Roman construction I think and absolutely gorgeous. Just google image Duthie Park or Seaton Park or Union Terrace Gardens. Pretty funny hearing you recommend Googling UTG, given that it wouldn't be there if the SNP had their way. Also I wouldn't recommend Googling a current photo because the main lawn is up and it looks like a building site despite not being one.
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Brown Moses posted:I suspect some Tories got a memo earlier today Who would even loving describe a Q&A session as commanding? Wankers, that's who. Someone posting that and meaning it would need a strong, commanding kick up the arse. But I can't believe anyone like that could exist. I do like that they all got posted around the same time though, they aren't even trying to be subtle. 
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May 1, 2015 01:26
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Jedit posted:Pretty funny hearing you recommend Googling UTG, given that it wouldn't be there if the SNP had their way. Woah you caught me, me recommending pictures of a park with a really nice flower arrangement in the summer is a betrayal of my party allegiance.
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Pasco posted:Workers of the world unite, and complain about loving immigrants and scroungers apparently The greatest trick that the scrounger ever pulled was convincing the worker to redirect that ire against the disabled, the sick, and the unemployed while changing almost none of the language. e: Coohoolin posted:Woah you caught me, me recommending pictures of a park with a really nice flower arrangement in the summer is a betrayal of my party allegiance. Ferns or death. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 01:30 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 01:26
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Fungus supermacy, an implacable, indistinguishable mass of similar cells capable of indefinite interdependency and collectivism, often smells a bit suspect also, and bad news for landlords.
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May 1, 2015 01:43
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LemonDrizzle posted:There's a difference between making the Murdoch press/Torygraph howl and being a disaster. I'm aware of this, but Labour haven't made a good case and have contributed to delegitimising their own potential government as well. A weak government with no real track record and a lot of ill public perception isn't going to be able to just roll over all these attacks, surely? It honestly seems like every UK wide party is campaigning to lose.
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Dan Didio posted:I'm aware of this, but Labour haven't made a good case and have contributed to delegitimising their own potential government as well. A weak government with no real track record and a lot of ill public perception isn't going to be able to just roll over all these attacks, surely? It doesn't matter how unpopular the government is, as long as they can 1) win a vote of confidence, which the SNP will almost certainly support labour in to keep the tories out, entirely of their own volition, and 2) the opposition does not pass a vote of no confidence in them during their tenure, which they would need a majority to do. As long as labour wins enough seats, the SNP and possibly the greens/PC back them in confidence votes, and there is sufficient dissent within the other parties, a labour government can have all the poo poo in the world thrown at it but it won't make any different until the next GE. Short of armed revolution, parliament can do what it likes unless it volunteers not to. Essentially I think the plan is: get as many seats as possible, form a minority government with the SNP pushing through the formation, try to demolish the media/win votes further down the line by implementing popular policies (or revealing their secret plans for full communism after they're in and can do whatever they like) and hopefully win the next GE that way. Labour can't really do much at the moment to win votes because the media and the conservative rhetoric have more or less demolished their traditional platform in the public eye. So I think they're trying to just get into westminster at the moment and are going to see what happens from there, because there's not much they can do outside of westminster. They have a perception of being an incompetent party, the only way to break that is to lead the country competently for the next term, and possibly eat Ruper Murdoch and his papers. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 1, 2015 |
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TinTower posted:Incidentally, we all heard Miliband say that "it's not racist to be concerned about immigration", right? Well it isn't. Don't divorce statements from intent. Immigration could present a problem for a country. The fact that it's not actually a problem in the UK is irrelevant. It's totally possible for someone to be genuinely concerned about immigration without being racist. What they need is educating to why we don't actually have an immigration problem. If you want to tackle the working class's hatred of immigration you start by not making a villain of them. You accept their concerns as valid and then point out the scenarios they are envisioning are not actually happening. "Is immigration bad for the UK" is not a racist question. But "Yes because foreigners are horrible, different to us and parasites" is a racist answer.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Well it isn't. Don't divorce statements from intent. Immigration could present a problem for a country. The fact that it's not actually a problem in the UK is irrelevant. It's totally possible for someone to be genuinely concerned about immigration without being racist. What they need is educating to why we don't actually have an immigration problem. But, seeing as immigration is not in fact a problem, the only reason it has become a political issue is because racist gobshites have spewed a load of shite and racists have swallowed that shite. None of it even works if you don't start from the basic assumption that there's something wrong with foreigners.
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Can we please just smash everything at this point? On a completely unrelated note, happy Worker's Day comrades, hope you're not at work!
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With the benefit of a night's sleep, I'm not quite as enraged as last night. I now can find Mr Red-in-the-Face Gold-Standard of the Cult of High Finance (which is saving our country and making us rich until you spend it all, dontcherknow) quite funny, as well as being an absolute wanker. Also, Happy Worker's Day everyone, I'm spending mine working.
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Who's making May's thread? I hope they've got a good title in store, this thread comes but once every five years
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OwlFancier posted:They have a perception of being an incompetent party, the only way to break that is to lead the country competently for the next term, and possibly eat Ruper Murdoch and his papers. Trouble is that in any government there will be at least some minor fuckups, which the Murdoch press can turn into massive scandals and splash all over front pages. And they'll be looking for those from day one.
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The New Black posted:Trouble is that in any government there will be at least some minor fuckups, which the Murdoch press can turn into massive scandals and splash all over front pages. And they'll be looking for those from day one. First up: Dealgate
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LemonDrizzle posted:There's a difference between making the Murdoch press/Torygraph howl and being a disaster. Miliband's run the entire campaign on a platform of "go gently caress yourself, Rupert", so it's not like it's something that can't be dealt with if it happens. Any chance Rupes will fold and support Labour again? I was hardly surprised that Scottish Sun came out in support of the SNP - they're the most popular party in Scotland and they want to sell papers. What's odd is the English version supporting a party that isn't popular. They've switched to Labour and back again before depending on which way the wind is going, they're hemoraging readers and their decision to stick Tory is starting look increasingly bizarre.
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KKKlean Energy posted:Who's making May's thread? I hope they've got a good title in store, this thread comes but once every five years UKMT May: Someone call Nigel, the country's going to the polls!
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May 1, 2015 07:55
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UKMT May election special: all the things that make us cross
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UKMT May: Here's a letter signed by 5000 goons.
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sebzilla posted:UKMT May: Someone call Nigel, the country's going to the polls! this one is preeeeetty good
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UKMT May: Milibeans on Toast (I'll go home now sorry)
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KKKlean Energy posted:Who's making May's thread? I hope they've got a good title in store, this thread comes but once every five years I'll make one over the weekend if no one else does, but it'd probably be better if someone with more political awareness did it.
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I already pitched ukmt may 2015 - hung parliament 2 election boogaloo E: how about UKMT MAY 2015 - dehumanise yourself and face to bloodshed UKMT MAY 2015 - DONT VOTE
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UKMT May 2015: Vote Labour
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UKMT May - Bloody immigrants are voting SNP
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Mister Adequate posted:But, seeing as immigration is not in fact a problem, the only reason it has become a political issue is because racist gobshites have spewed a load of shite and racists have swallowed that shite. None of it even works if you don't start from the basic assumption that there's something wrong with foreigners. Or the basic assumption that the welfare state and/or unskilled labour market are going to poo poo because of genuinely limited resources rather than an unbroken line of neoliberal pricks in government going all the way back to Thatcher. It's not actually true, sure, but I don't think it's an inherently racist mistake to make.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FK-oWA7Oj8
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The Assassination of Nicholas Clegg by the Candidate Oliver James Coppard
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Where is the may thread for may day! I'll be listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1un4wZ9y18 on loop until it appears
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Mister Adequate posted:But, seeing as immigration is not in fact a problem, the only reason it has become a political issue is because racist gobshites have spewed a load of shite and racists have swallowed that shite. None of it even works if you don't start from the basic assumption that there's something wrong with foreigners.
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I find the fawning over the audience by the press and idiots like Owen Jones depressing this morning. Wonder if anyone will call them out for the bigots they are...
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