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That half was more tolerable than the first. It was almost decent, in fact. But the big problem I see with that one is that it revealed more about DELTA and BACKSTORY than about Cass! We already knew from real-world stuff that Delta used to work with Cass and was fired, and we already knew that despite that, Cass still liked Delta (she showed up on her day off to help him out), and despite her words to him she still hung out and helped him. The point of that Cosmosphere seemed to mostly reveal things about Delta, and revealing backstory for another character is a terrible use of a Cosmosphere. It misses the point of them. Not looking forward to the terrible wet T-Shirt contest "Purification Ritual". Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Really? Now that you mention it, I think wdarkk did say something like that. If that is the case, then yes, I also approve of that change because removing the choice of partners means they can build one relationship through the entire game. That does resolve one of the issues with AT2, where Luca/Cloche's in-story arcs with Croix essentially ended at the end of Phase 2 to allow the player to choose Jacqli. (And she didn't get an in-story arc with him at all due to the same alternate choice reasons.) It also means no more "scene-stealing third girl pops in halfway through the story making the main character seem like a jerk for dumping one of the longer-term love interests". Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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So is Delta some kind of Manchurian agent? (Seriously, why wasn't he locked up after dropping  Oh, hello Cass. I knew you’d show up eventually.Uh-oh. Trap? Probably because I knew you’d be coming.Seems kinda trap-ish. Has she switched sides? Or maybe she's been brainwashed into being a Manchurian agent too? Oh! Sarly is wearing reasonable clothing! She must be evil! After all, the Sharl did attack the humans to capture their supply of pants.
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Are there a lot of these shop scenes? Because they're okay in small doses, but if there's a 1:1 (or 1:2 or 1:3) ratio of shop updates to main story updates, that could get tiring. Feinne posted:Feinne’s Notes: That sounds super-tedious, who thought that was a good idea. Internet Kraken posted:...so this is the Divine Empress? I guess the Prime Minister has to be running everything behind the scenes or the city would be in flames. That's okay, evil guys are pretty good at organizing things. (I would be seriously shocked if the PM does NOT turn out to be evil.) Feinne posted:naybutt.jpg ...What can you say about a costume designer who thinks that Nay's current outfit just wasn't quite revealing enough, so they made sure half her rear end is hanging out. 
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Feinne posted:Ar Tonelico Trivia Challenge! I have not read the AT 1 LP in a couple years... so I cheated slightly by listening to one of the songs. So I think I found a match (well I'm not sure about the last word)... roughly speaking, "I shall turn my life into a song"? it was sung by Aurica (EXEC_LINKER) when the evil church dudes were trying to download "the goddess" (actually Mir) into her body? P.S. No one is even in the same Fundamentally Damaged league as you, Feinne. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Feinne posted:Ar Tonelico Trivia Challenge! Almost no one answered these low level ones, so the answer here is: Amarie. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Apr 13, 2015 |
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 But I do like the idea that they're only letting Delta stay out of jail because they are secretly having people watch him. The "tracking" song magic is also a clever trick, pretty subtle, and it doesn't hurt anyone who is a true believer. Why is Cass's hair blonde-pink in some contexts and silver-white in others? Feinne posted:Next Time, Ar Nosurge: Purification :whereweregoingwewontneedeyestosee: 
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I missed this the first time, but I found it amusing anyway:quote:Bios Shop: There are a lot of people who admire your chivalrous spirit, Ms. Casty. Oh boy, more Nay scenes. Now I can add more things to my list! Things I like about Nay: *scroll**scroll**scro...  At least, that was the first reaction... But after actually reading the text, it's actually pretty good. It actually reads as surprisingly genuine - the scene, surprisingly is not deliberately played up for maximum awkwardness and hilarity, only a reasonable amount of awkwardness. Delta and Cass do seem to have some real-world chemistry together, which is funny, because for a series built with all those dating-sim elements, that's only about the second time that I've had a sense of any real-world chemistry in the entire series and 10 pairings (including Delta and Cass).
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Clarste posted:You should probably divide them up into sections though, especially since you seem to have place the commentary for some of them underneath the first picture of the next section. Yes, I know I told you to put the commentary underneath the pictures, but preferably underneath pictures that have something to do with what you're commenting on. Breaking the conversation into sections for each topic would probably help avoid that mistake. An example is that this line: "Which they totally did, considering their whole planet got blown up. Lose their hometown, that is." should have gone below Cass's line above the picture, not below the picture, because the picture changes the conversation topic to something else. This is a case-by-case thing, though. What's the time-frame on the planet destruction thing anyway? How long have they been in space?
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Feinne posted:They're not actually sure how long they've been in space. They think it's been a long time, but they were in stasis for some significant portion of it and the instrumentation that could tell them like that navigation map seems to be broken. This also means they have no idea where the ship is or where it's going, of even IF it's moving at all. Is this still the first generation? Like, are all the people alive from on the planet, or have one or more generations of people come about after waking up from cold sleep? quote:I actually was intentionally offsetting comments but I could in the future drop lines above the next screen and not below when I do that, I'll try to keep it in mind. As Admiral Curtis says, put the comments where they make sense to put them. That's the thing I'm doing in my current LP, even if it means putting my comments in-between dialogue sections. "It’s always kind of grating not knowing what happens inside your mind during a Dive." works below the screenshot because it's referencing the screenshot. "Not that there’s anything to do about it." does not work quite so well below the screenshot which has switched topics to "I brought you the one-hit KO ice cream," so putting it above would fit better. But this is just nitpicky stuff, don't worry too much about it. I'd be more worried about the bouncing back and forth between "now they're in quantave, flashback to the restaraunt, running from quantave and falling into a pit, restaurant again and now the bath time thing, and now we're back in the pit..." which doesn't flow very smoothly.
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Question about "thought gems"...
Clearly this amnesia thing will be important and explained later. Things I like about Nay:
Oh look here's a character who is supposed to be Delta and Cass's "child" and the designers dressed her like that. What the poo poo. gently caress you Japan you creepy bastards. gently caress you, gently caress you, gently caress you. Oh and there's Nay naked too. gently caress you . This game is getting worse and worse. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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FractalSandwich posted:Maybe the game does get better later, but that doesn't make what it is right now not awful. And even if it's nothing but gold from here on out, I'm not sure I can ever really forgive the character design and the looming specter of further nudity. Yeah, I agree with this. Maybe good stuff later does not excuse terrible stuff now. Even ignoring Prim's super-awful outfit (which the designers thought was a good idea on someone who is essentially a child in both body and mind), just the concept of a instantiating a mind-child because Cass and Delta like each other is  -ingly dumb and insane.Internet Kraken posted:Frankly I'm shocked that we've actually seen a women that didn't look like an underage girl. Must of taken a lot of restraint on the designers part to just make her an oversexualized adult instead. You know things are really bad when the key word in that first sentence is "a". wdarkk posted:You must be better at repressing things than me. You pre-ordered AT 3, knowing about the stripping ahead of time.
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Feinne posted:EDIT: I will say, how Nay dresses really does fit with her character. We just don't know enough about her yet to really see it as of this point in the plot so it seems especially egregious. Since Nay's character seems to be "is stupid, obnoxious, and terrible at everything she does", then yes, her outfit matches her character perfectly.
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Feinne posted:Update tomorrow with the end of the Dive. I've got a BUNCH of shop and purification stuff, so next update might be some of Sarly's shop content (since it'll be introduced to us by the plot and is a bit more immediately plot-adjacent than Nay's). This depends on what things are looking like after I get some actual plot recorded tonight. I need to see what makes sense as far as breaking things up. At this point right now we are at six plot episodes to five non-plot episodes - three geometrics and two shop scenes. You want to go to to 6:7 (maybe 7:7 if you're being generous and count the Sarly one as plot-related). That is an extremely high ratio of plot:non-plot. I'm not the first person to complain about the high number of shop scenes. Maybe they change the ending, but that doesn't stop them from dragging the pacing face-first along the pavement at high speed. Question for the thread readers: have any of you laughed or cracked a smile at the Nay shop scenes? Even a little one?
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I'm trying to not be too big a dick about it. I understand that it's a tricky thing to balance, and it is actually something I'm struggling with in my current LP, as the main plot has about 20-30 hours of content, with about 40-80 hours worth of sidequests and other materials.
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I'm not a fan of the new, goofier dives. I could not even finish reading this one. See! Truly Godawful hamhandedness where a single word is stretched to the breaking point as a substitute for actually describing a character! See! People appearing as cartoon sheep for no loving reason! See! The reader completely giving up on trying to figure out who the gently caress is who when they are in sheep form! See! Truly Godawful crap involving some fucktard prattling on about whatever the hell "moe" is. Go away and die. Making them a joint thing between two characters doesn't help at all and just makes it more confusing. So is Sarly the one who hates friends? Or since this is diving into Cass, is she the one with friendship issues? And if this is Sarly's issue what does it have to do with Cass? It's just muddled. It really does not help clear up the confusion at all seeing a bunch of characters in the dive that we have not met in the real world. I absolutely could not follow who was what and who they were in the real world and who they were supposed to me and that made me give up. I think that this screenshot right here was about where I gave up trying to keep track of characters. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's a highly metaphorical situation exploring the nature of the relationships of these characters. Cass and Sarly kinda want to be friends but Sarly got burned on this whole "caring about other people" thing when the guy she loved had to stay on the dying planet. She's become afraid of losing those she cares about. Thank you for the summary of what was going on, that helped a lot.
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So, they have to go back to enemy territory to do something, after breaking out a prisoner and fleeing their troops. And they are stymied by having a guarded front door and a locked side door, and have no idea how to get in. ... Those obstacles were completely forseeable, and they had no plan to bypass them? For such an important mission, they probably should have planned better, maybe brought a cutting torch or something. At least the problem wasn't solved by Prim, that would have been quite obnoxious. Cass's suspicions of Delta are welcome and well-overdue. I'm pretty sure he's been brainwashed. Sarly defended him, but SHE was in the enemy's hands too, so she could also be brainwashed. Feinne, can you include some videos of combat, please?
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Pretty good song. Not Top 10 material, but that's mostly because there's too much competition for those slots. It was a decent song with some unique bits that made it stand out from other songs. Also decent were the scenes between Delta and Cass. Of all the things to borrow from AT2, "actual real-world chemistry between the hero and heroine" was a good choice. It was also good to have Delta acknowledge that losing his memory messed him up, and he was only acting normal to try and not worry Cass. Interesting that they're expanding the population of possible song users to include males this time. That's a change. I wonder if it is related to do with Delta being able to have a Thought Gem hammered into his cranium. EDIT: Wait a minute, CIEL_NOSURGE is special because it's a CIEL_N... but what was just sung? CIEL_N_PROTECTA. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Do you have to watch that animation and jingle every time you synth something, or can you turn that off (or at least skip it)?
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Lunar Suite posted:So, we're, like, two for two now on "Civilizations that discovered the Power of Song and also blew up their planet"? EXA_PICO may be the one universe where being a Luddite has history on your side. It's surprisingly catchy. What I don't get is how "{TzW};" is apparently pronounced "pata".
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Oh geez, not MORE "all humans are bastards and should die" bullshit. It's such a worn-out, dead cliche by this point. Especially for this series. I don't give a gnat's turd what the actual grievance is, going there is low-hanging fruit and completely uninteresting. The CIEL_NOSURGE song isn't the kind of song I like.
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Feinne, do you have higher-quality official art of the major characters we've met so far? I have an idea for a contribution to the thread, and I need head shots.
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Feinne posted:I've got rips of the game art that's in the Extras, just post who all you want. Ummm... only really the characters we've met, I guess. I think that's just Delta, Cass, Nay, Sarly, Zill, and Prim who we've met. (I don't now enough about anyone else to make them insulting custom titles.)
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Ion's design reminds me a bit of Aurica (particularly the hair things.) As a plus, it's inoffensive. What's with people wearing stupid animal ear hats (Is that Michelle Ruff voicing not-Zill)? I don't know who is voicing Ion, but I don't like her voice. Also everyone is terrible at naming things. Please, please no robot-human romance. That would be even weirder than usual for this series.
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Feinne posted:They're more like flowers than animal ears. Oh no, I meant on Nelico. Ion's hair things are fine and non-stupid. I should check and see if Michelle Ruff also voices Zill, but if she had been I would have thought I'd have noticed. (Coincidentally, in my current LP, I just picked up a new optional party member voiced by Michelle Ruff.)
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FractalSandwich posted:So Ion's strategy for escaping a mental prison is to a build a robot to help her make a bomb and blow her way out. The really impressive part is that she somehow will manage to take her mind-robot with her. Feinne posted:Zill's Wendee Lee. I knew that, but somehow managed to block it out of my brain temporarily. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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Feinne posted:Yeah I can do that for the future. I was actually trying to decide how to handle the choices and that's a decent way to do it. I think Earthes dialogue should be a constant, never-ending series of trolls. He should be a motherfucking train with just one motherfucking stop: Trollsville, population Ion. In fact go back and show off all the trolling dialogue. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Apr 28, 2015 |
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The problem with In Media Res is that if you never actually explain anything about what is going on, people are just going to get confused and not understand a loving thing about what’s going on. And when people are thinking “what the gently caress is happening”, they are not caring about the characters.
Apparently the “you don’t need to have played the previous game to understand this one” claim in the OP is a huge loving lie. No seriously, why are you not trolling? There is absolutely nothing interesting at all in any way about completely generic RPG hero responses that any goodie-goodie generic RPG hero from any RPG would say. You could substitute literally any main character from any JRPG in for the robot and no one would notice the difference. Generic straight man goodie-goodie is boring. Trolling is interesting, and seriously these updates really need something interesting to happen. I seriously doubt the trolling responses actually have any effect, and you will just get railroaded anyway. The “lol boy accidentally touches panties and has cooties now” gag is a dead horse and stupid.
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Catching up on the last week of updates... Nay is more than 5000 years old? ...In a row? So what are these beings which can live for 5000 years without aging, because they sure ain't humans. Their perceptions of life and reality should barely be recognizable. Is Kanon's resemblance to Cass meaningful, or is it just a combination of anime face + model reuse like Nelico is with Jill? Also, question about the planet-destroying thing... isn't the entire reason the planet got destroyed because they were trying to leave the planet because their home star becoming a red giant was going to wipe it out anyway? And wasn't the destruction kinda unintentional? Was this Genom-destroying thing covered in the Ciel Nosurge game? In combat, is there any penalty for using an item? Does it cost you an action? Or is it just a completely free thing? I didn't expect meek, soft-spoken Ion to be so kinky. Oh Prim is a Sharl spy of course. That's neat and much better than what the game... no, what SARLY told us she was. (I still think she's brainwashed.) On that note, why is absolutely no one more than mildly surprised after three people VANISHED for TWO YEARS? Why are they not suspicious?   I wanted to make a title for Cass, but I realized that basically everything about her personality is Delta-related and I don't know enough about who she is if he's not there. It seems like she's a really shallow character. Am I mistaken?
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A lot of things are listed as "will make sense later", but does "will make sense later" have to apply to like, every drat thing in the game? Couldn't some things "make sense now"? Was there a point in having a two-year timeskip instead of two days? The thing which stands out to me the most is that the Delta-Cass-Sarly-Nay circle of friends seems to be the entirety of that, and there are no people outside of it. There are no relationships outside of that circle which have been damaged by two years of being presumed dead. Hell, in previous games there were more active party members than this game has named NPC's. It makes the world seem smaller. Clarste posted:It's also worth noting that the sun blowing up was kind of the humans' fault too, in the sense of magical pollution. Of course it was, because I just don't think that the HUMANS ARE BASTARDS message is getting through clearly. Maybe if they
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Darn, I was hoping Prim being Master Sharl meant her little kid schtick was just an act and she would be full-on evil mastermind, complete with gloating. I'm with Delta. gently caress Ion, she's an naive idiot. I mean she seriously thinks negotiation is the answer? It's kinda hard to negotiate when one party's base position is "Humans are evil and 90% of humans must be wiped out to turn into planet food. And the remaining 10% are our brainwashed and docile slaves". And I'm probably confused on this point, but from what I've gathered, aren't the Sharl just an artificial life form which were created to fight humans by some other humans? (How did Ion create them again? That's a little fuzzy.) Really cool having the two parties fight each other. Also Feinne, now that we've met them, I could use Ion/Nelo/Earthes/Kanon portraits for more custom titles. (Not that I have ideas for all of them yet.) Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 00:15 on May 13, 2015 |
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I really like Delta in this scene. He's not ignoring what Ion's saying. He understands her position, but it's so crappy that he's easily able to refute her points and she has nothing to defend her position with. He's thinking pretty smart and is completely in the right in this case. Delta and Cass's last mission to the heart of enemy territory led to them being captured and canned for two years, so I can hardly blame them for not wanting to take Prim (their only known possible way to fight back) with them into the heart of enemy territory in the hopes that they MIGHT be able to talk the human-genocidal person down. If things go wrong, then that's it for them again, and probably for all the remaining free humans. Even if I accept Ion's premise that this problem can be solved by negotiation - which is a really shaky proposition - there are some big problems with it. At best, taking Prim with them to Kanon would put them into a tremendously weak position, and you can't negotiate with genocidal lunatics from a position of weakness. If there is to be any negotiation, the humans need a bargaining chip. Taking Prim back to Felion is the correct play. Feinne posted:Yeah I'll edit those images into this post after I'm done eating. Okay, thanks for the info. Yeah, that really doesn't make me any more inclined to care about the lives of the Sharl as opposed to actual people. I guess that makes me an evil person according to the standards of this game.
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Zurai posted:I'm not sure that genocide just to defend against genocide is "completely right". He wants to kill every single one of the Sharl, which is actually arguably the most extreme position in this whole debacle. He's also knowingly making decisions based on incomplete information. He does have good points, but he's not some shining paragon here. Fair point. I suppose though what I mean is that Delta's position is completely understandable. The decisions he's making based on incomplete information are good decisions based on the information which he does have. And honestly him not being a shining paragon is a point in his favor since those make for more interesting protagonists.
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Hmmm... they don't care about Prim/Nelo getting captured? I guess that means they wouldn't have been interested in negotiating anyway. Still though, Ion's plan of "maybe we can just hug things out" was a poo poo plan - especially since Ion wasn't able to talk Kanon down earlier.Sindai posted:Looking awfully humanoid for someone who hates all humans there Cosal. I know what his beef with humans is. He's just got a really bad case of penis envy. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 14, 2015 |
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That's a good song (as was the previous one). Wait, were those a ton of Sharl in Felion? If the defense is going that badly, I can see why Nay thought she had to act right then. Nay is kinda right that it's hard to negotiate with a force that not only is unwilling to talk, but doesn't even recognize you have a right to exist as you are. Ion really needs a better plan. Something is odd about where the Sharl came from though. They're artificial, so someone must have been producing them in secret. It seems like it must have been Zill/Nelo/Kanon, but that seems like a big operation for just the three of them. There has to be something more to it.
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