Nicolae Carpathia posted:If you're not going to use the goofy obscure words in place of common words then why are you even playing a White Wolf game in the first place Mad Libs is fun. Ichor, Alacrity, Perspicacity
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PleasingFungus posted:remember when you had a five-page-long argument with attorneyatfunk about this exact subject good times Ferrinus posted:Please don't insult me by suggesting that I care about the feelings my posts inspire in others. good times
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Apr 24, 2015 18:08
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Ferrinus posted:Changelings... just got epic. These aren't your daddy's Lost.
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Apr 29, 2015 03:59
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Esser-Z posted:Why would you ever use an attack spell instead of OOPS THAT CAR'S TIRE BLEW AND IT SLAMMED INTO YOU or whatever? IMO, Mage surives on creativity, not blasting. first of all, Ferrinus posted:That's an attack spell. second of all, what if you're fighting the spooky numbers intruder and you're down to just Forces, Time, and Matter? What then, smart guy.
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Apr 29, 2015 20:39
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Kurieg posted:Right, but your inertia and momentum is trying to go in a straight line, earth's gravity is what's keeping you in a circle. That's Fallen physics, not Supernal reality. Edit: you'd also move tangential to the Sun, the Milky Way, and potentially the Local Group if this worked like that.
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Apr 29, 2015 23:17
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jagadaishio posted:It's well-written but absurdly narrow. It only does one type of story, and it's almost impossible to put together a group for it. Omnicrom posted:Because Promethean is designed to tell one story with one player. It's amazingly good at telling one story with one player, but it's still only one story and only one player. Could someone please put these motherfuckers out of their misery Covok posted:Also, why is Promethean called the best game you will never play in the OP? Promethean is a game where playing it properly requires a hell of a lot of investment in your character, a hell of a lot of emotional maturity, and a real willingness to play-act painful moments. Finding people who fit all three of these things and want to play it is, uh, unlikely. This is setting aside the parts where it contravenes the basic assumptions of most other games.
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May 18, 2015 18:48
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Mors Rattus posted:It is still exceptionally well-written and I have high hopes for Promethean 2e. Yeah, it's gonna be great GMing Edward Elric, the guy from the opening sections of One Hundred Years of Solitude, and Nicholas Flamel, as they take on poorly-written enemy alchemists. 
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May 18, 2015 19:13
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Tulul posted:Wasn't the problem that there was this whole slant where writers were all "look at these motherfuckers responsible for the modern world! That was a fan misinterpretation which spread rapidly because hegemony is a hell of a drug.
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May 21, 2015 00:02
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" and then every single reader immediately realized the modern world was actually kind of great, and that the Traditions didn't look so hot when part of their mission involves destroying modern medicine?
Kavak posted:Hegemony? The conflict is between Western, and especially American, hegemony, as represented by the Technocratic Order, and all the alternatives to it, represented by the Traditions. The exalted subjects of hegemony, unable to comprehend it clearly, concluded that it was about everything that happened in the last five hundred years being defended by the noble forces of domination and control.
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May 21, 2015 00:22
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Cabbit posted:The Ascending Ones, yeah. Ostensibly there's two other parts to that conspiracy besides drug dealing gangbangers, but nobody ever remembers them. There's also a Compact in the Vampire antagonist book for Hunter, but I can't remember the name at the moment.
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May 24, 2015 17:58
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If Beast was based on Beauty and the Beast in a meaningful way, it would be about coming to terms with having a terminal disease. But that doesn't move PDFs.
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Jun 2, 2015 23:59
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Two ideas- 1. Get away from Joseph Campbell a bit. The basic heroic cycle is about how the world is thrown into chaos, and the hero brings order back through their actions. Often, this involves killing or driving away some manifestation of the chaos- Tiamat, the Sphinx, Apep, Yamato-no-Orochi. Beasts are the consequences of these primordial actions. They are raw disorder welded into a particular form by the actions of a hero and chained in some way. They feed upon fear, respect, awe for supernatural power. Overfeeding risks them slipping their chains, and prompts the rising of a hero to put them back down. Underfeeding weakens the protective aura around their purpose for existence and puts their purpose at risk to a different kind of hero. Beasts are "crossover-friendly" because they seek companionship, being largely isolated from one another physically. They are "ancestral" because they're the primordial form of what a monster is. 2. Beasts are a metaphor for a terminal illness. Being one is a death sentence. Stages of grief. Blah blah blah anti-Promethean blah.
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Jun 3, 2015 18:35
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Also, vampires don't run Spooky Gothic Haunted Taxis. That's another important thing.
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Jun 3, 2015 18:41
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:If they ever do a Horror Recognition Guide 2, there better be a story where the narrator gets tricked onto a boat, kills the driver while he's muttering about the sweet fruits of the abyss, and when they get back to shore there's a huge crowd of vampires, werewolves, and changelings there waiting to high five them for getting rid of the guy that makes the rest of them look bad. Hahaha
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Jun 7, 2015 03:36
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What I find most interesting about Beast is how, in attempting to do Barker, they ended up repeatedly hitting the banality of evil dead in the face. I mean, Stephen King would be embarrassed to write about an evil taxi. What I find most off-putting is, with the Beast-as-queer-folk symbolism, it really seems like they're suggesting that queerness is something that can only exist when performed, and dies if it isn't regularly performed (and while I loathe Andrew Sullivan as much as anybody, it seems a bit gross to call him a fake gay), but the process of performing itself creates unending opposition. Pretty loving bleak, but thankfully I can cauterize this subtext out if I ever get begged to play a game.
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Jun 7, 2015 04:24
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Daeren posted:Let's not say things we know aren't true. CommissarMega posted:I think Stephen King would write about an evil taxi, but do it competently. From a Buick 8 wasn't scary, but it was readable, and I found the central conceit one that inspired curiosity rather than fear. Let's meet in the middle and say he wouldn't write Goth Creeper Taxicab Service.
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Jun 7, 2015 04:37
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Obligatum VII posted:The sad fact is, we're (that is, the people posting in this thread) kind of the minority of the White Wolf/Onyx Path userbase. It doesn't actually surprise me that it got funded. Although i don't know which of those two reasons is more prevalent. I'm pretty sure it got funded because of brand loyalty, and the majority of people did so without reading the backer pdf. There are also probably a bunch of people who would still continue to back it even after reading the pdf and being horrified, because they want to support Onyx Path as a company. Let's not make the Princess: the Hopeful fanbase any more important than they already are.
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Jun 7, 2015 04:43
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Kurieg posted:Was that the period when he wrote the short story where a kid killed a werewolf with his silver plated wheelchair or something? I think 1408 may have been written under painkillers.
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Jun 7, 2015 04:58
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The central issue with Beast seems to be that nobody really figured out what all the ideas were adding up to at any point up until now. Because queer-as-monster, and specifically queer-as-beast is something with a nice pedigree. Monsters as being an embodiment of fear is something with a nice pedigree. Looking at things from the opposite perspective is something with a nice pedigree. Put them together, and you have an abomination, with the fairly juvenile writing merely being a joke that softens the fairly grotesque nature of the thing.
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Jun 7, 2015 05:07
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There's a Sergei Lukianenko short story about a drifter in a post-apocalyptic world who comes to a town being terrorized by a gang of "vampires". He kills all but one of them, and heads off on a train into the sunset without taking payment, taking the one survivor with him. The guy wakes up and screams at him about how they were just playing, and he says, "Yeah, I know. But real vampires don't like little shits like you." In this analogy, Beasts are the posers, and every other supernatural line are the real monsters.
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Jun 7, 2015 12:10
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Daeren posted:Beast is the kind of game where it seems like they wanted to write about scenery-chewing, mustache-twirling villains who invited their heroic nemeses into their Secret Lairs while playing their leitmotif on their standard-issue spooky organ, then someone tacked on completely mismanaged social commentary that means both parties end up staring awkwardly at each other when they realize how badly they've been written. Even then, the two parts are themselves pretty bad, unless the abusive vice principal was meant to be social commentary of some kind etc. and they fed off one another.
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Jun 7, 2015 16:16
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Daeren posted:Well yes, but if you're looking for anything actually good in Beast instead of just "this was a good idea once", you're going to end up burning down most everything that isn't the mechanics, and then taking a hammer and chisel to a good portion of those. There's some interesting mechanics, and you could probably use some of the fluff in a revisionist context (granted, I doubt that there's a market for playing extrauniversal horrors that are trying to insinuate themselves into monstrous society).
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Jun 7, 2015 16:24
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Night10194 posted:Does the author of this poo poo just hate Demon or something? It's a clumsy attempt to preserve some mystery in the setting.
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Jun 7, 2015 17:37
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Mormon Star Wars posted:I'm still chuckling at the idea of a Beast taking the book's recommended path of trying to make hunters question themselves by turning the question of who the real monster is on them. "Perhaps the same can be said of all religions, O faithful one..." "Yeah, perhaps." *licks lips, pulls on bib, pours clarified butter into chafing dish*
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Jun 7, 2015 17:54
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Dave Brookshaw posted:I mean, here's an example that's not about crossover with my gameline. So I wrote the Promethean page, which a lot of people hate because it establishes Beasts as being immune to Disquiet. Funnily enough, that part made complete sense to me.
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Jun 7, 2015 23:37
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It's amazing how Beast just keeps getting shittier and shittier, but with a clearly visible trend throughout. I mean Jesus.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:40
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I don't think anyone who isn't already into TTRPGs will know what Beast is. It will also probably, hopefully, sink like a rock after the KS is done. But that's secondary. The issue is that they wrote a game where multiple example characters are child abusers, and they need to at least acknowledge this, and ideally apologize for it.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:21
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Xelkelvos posted:So what faction from each splat would join with Beasts to terrorize humanity and just generally make things worse for everyone? Strix, Bale Hounds, Banishers, True Fae, Centimani, Ashwood Abbey/The Hunt Club, the Mummy enemy splat
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Jun 8, 2015 03:27
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So is the Adamantine Arrow Lawyer civil or criminal? Maybe we can get 'em to sue the poo poo out of the Beast that mimics Werewolf attacks for servicemark infringement.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:34
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I was thinking of Timori-Banishers when I wrote that, but Banishers are Awakened and can tell Beasts aren't Supernal.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:46
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CommissarMega posted:Something else I've found. Look at this horrible no-goodnik of a Hero: You see, the whole "murdering children" thing goes back to the playtest leak. Because I remember reading that and doing something of a spit-take when compared to everything else about Heroes.
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thing in a game about playing Cthulhu was a teenage girl in a coma? Seriously, THIS is a PC I want to play, even if she's supposed to be the bad guy.|
Is the stuff about the "hunter response" still in the Beast corebook?
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Jun 8, 2015 05:16
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don't worry, melanie is going to grow up to be a TERF or racist or something, so it's all ok!
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i dunno why people aren't quoting the other rpg.net thread where people argue about whether it would be okay to poison and strangle an adult for stealing candy from children "Also, as others have pointed out, Brent reads a lot more as an adult, or at least "old enough to know better", rather than another child. I'd actually missed that on my first reading of the passage, but he's described as a "young man", and always in terms that set him apart from the children he victimized. It's always "Children" or "Youngsters", not "other Children", "fellow Youngsters", etc. The "Brent's house" argument is weak, and it could stand to either be explicit that this isn't a child she's targeting, or explicit that this is supposed to be deeply uncomfortable and wrong (Possibly with trigger warnings attached to the book), but not getting the same visceral "the authors are evil bastards" vibe some of you seem to be getting off of it."
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It would be best not to use Beast at all, because it adds nothing to the nWoD as things stand (beyond an Astral Realm that nobody cares about) and you can replicate just about anything involving Beasts with other lines.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:I get the feeling people's (including devs) various mechanical issues basically come down to the old storygames vs tradgames argument and the fact that NWOD (particularly 2E) is something of a hybrid of the two. Like most of the stuff he's saying makes sense if you're looking at the game like you would look at say Fate or Apocalypse World. Obviously NWOD is way more mechanics heavy than either of them but I feel like he's trying to argue for pushing it in that direction. On the official Apocalypse World forums, the last time I looked, the consensus was that, apart from joke playbooks, the Touchstone was the most powerful playbook and pretty unbalanced. This analysis wasn't focused on PvP or white-room combat, either. Balance is always a concern in games, even in the most rules-light ones. The idea that there is a fundamental difference when it comes to "storygames" is a pernicious meme.
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spectralent posted:Okay now I totally want to read someone doing in-depth Apocalypse World mechanical analysis. Not to laugh or anything, it just sounds like it'd be fascinating if done well. It isn't even that in-depth- the Touchstone's set of moves allows them to very quickly be excellent at everything except Seduce/Manipulate and Read a Sitch. Or they can have Indomitable and Towering Presence, which allow you to seriously affect the course of battles and force people to choose between attacking you or giving in when you give them an order or warning, respectively.
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spectralent posted:It's clear you're really invested in this make-believe game about vampires, so I'm just going to let you have it. Yet you cared enough to start this in the first place, so I'm guessing you're just intimidated by the big scary dracula fanboy or something. Kurieg posted:To be quite honest. I think that Death Rage/Gauru is a bit too powerful in 2e. But in a straight up one on one fight with anyone I don't think it's too untoward to think that a werewolf could and should win. Vampires and Mages have always had their advantages in other areas, and those are the levers they should be manipulating to win a fight against a werewolf. Mages and Vampires have natural limiting factors, conceptually, that mean that Werewoofs would have the advantage in combat overall, even if they had identical dice values for full combat mode.
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Since the Higgs Field is not mentioned in Forces, logically, I can just use Fraying to weaken it locally, decreasing the mass of the constituent quarks enough that they break free of the strong-force bonds, disintegrating the target within a matter of seconds~ There we go. Forces 3 can be used to not only kill someone instantly, it can also be used to tear buildings apart. Prove me wrong, funhaters.
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The range of things Awakened magic can do is such that I have to ask why I, in a cross-splat game with a stereotypical werewolf and vampire, would focus on combat or social interaction when I can be creating golems, interrogating ghosts, perfecting bonsai planets, etc., doing things that nobody else can really do, assuming that there's no need for an additional skull-cracker or party animal.
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