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I'm pretty sure that the PC version of SR1 wasn't a port in the first place, and that Steam version is basically a PC version that is tweaked to be compatible with modern systems. At least that's what I think it is (EDIT: Never mind, it's a PS1 version port) Also, it's perfectly fine to talk here about LoK games in general and not specifically BO1, the only requirement is no spoilers (heck, I'm barely an hour into the game, there isn't much BO to discuss yet anyway), so no need to apologize nutri_void fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 2, 2015 |
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anilEhilated posted:Soul Reaver 1 managed to mix exploration, platforming and puzzle solving really well. The others... less so. Soul Reaver had the most annoying saving system ever, though.
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May 2, 2015 19:45
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Gantolandon posted:Soul Reaver had the most annoying saving system ever, though. RickVoid posted:I long ago gave up my hopes for a proper conclusion. Tony Jay is gone, the original devs have moved on, and the IP is currently being used for an MMO. Also, faux Shakespeare is fun to write.
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RickVoid posted:I long ago gave up my hopes for a proper conclusion. Tony Jay is gone, the original devs have moved on, and the IP is currently being used for an MMO. Nosgoth, the online game, wasn't actually an originally conceived as such. It was supposed to be the online component to a single player game called Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun. The single player game was cancelled and the multiplayer component was released on its own similar to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Ultimately, I expect there will be a mainline series game at some point, though likely with an entirely different devs, but that has happened a few different times already. I know at least 3 different and unconnected development teams have made games in the series.
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I dont know posted:Nosgoth, the online game, wasn't actually an originally conceived as such. It was supposed to be the online component to a single player game called Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun. The single player game was cancelled and the multiplayer component was released on its own similar to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Ultimately, I expect there will be a mainline series game at some point, though likely with an entirely different devs, but that has happened a few different times already. I know at least 3 different and unconnected development teams have made games in the series.
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I dont know posted:Nosgoth, the online game, wasn't actually an originally conceived as such. It was supposed to be the online component to a single player game called Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun. The single player game was cancelled and the multiplayer component was released on its own similar to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Ultimately, I expect there will be a mainline series game at some point, though likely with an entirely different devs, but that has happened a few different times already. I know at least 3 different and unconnected development teams have made games in the series. That being said, Dead Sun was supposed to be an in-continuity reboot with completely different characters and an independent storyline. Unless, of course, the Dead Sun that had its singleplayer component killed in favor of the multiplayer Nosgoth and the Dead Sun which we recently learned bits of information about are de-facto different games (which is entirely possible).
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Ooh! this is gonna be good. I got into the series at soul reaver 2, which I played multiple times. Have played Defiance and LoK2 as well, though I never could get into this one or soul reaver 1. I've read about the story, but never really played it, gonna be fun to see 
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May 3, 2015 10:26
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Alexeythegreat posted:That being said, Dead Sun was supposed to be an in-continuity reboot with completely different characters and an independent storyline. A reboot is the only plausible outcome if we ever get another real game. A proper conclusion just ain't gonna happen with the original writers and VAs scattered to the winds. 
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May 3, 2015 11:29
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You're not gonna see that outside of book series by a single writer, really. Hell, not even TV-series manages to keep it together beyond a few seasons at most, let alone some 15-20 years-in-the-making game series. Too much money & too many cooks involved, just look at Bioware and their big RPG series.
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May 3, 2015 12:20
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I played this when it came out, and despite being as slow as it is, the atmosphere was completely engrossing. The sound overall was amazing, as was the voice acting. And I could tell there was a pretty rich lore and mythology behind the game, even though you only get glimpses of it.
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These glimpses, as well as the fact that a lot of stuff remained open for interpretation (e.g. the question of what exactly is a vampire in that setting), may actually be the very reason why the stuff introduced in later games by a different writing team was weaved into the overall lore as smoothly as it was
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Wait what is this An actual update  I basically talk about Nupraptor and his insanity without spoiling stuff. Decided to cut this one off where I did in order to make Nupraptor's retreat a separate episode, which is already recorded and will be up tomorrow
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I believe it's stated that Nupraptor's insanity corrupted the rest of the circle, basically turning them into paranoid power-hungry selfish pricks. I don't think it was meant that his madness drove the others mad, just that it tainted them enough to corrupt their pillars and thus all of nosgoth. I can't seem to remember, but can you drink from multiple stunned people/chained prisoners with multiple presses of the drink button? (circle? it's been forever) I remember being able to drink from more than one person without using a spell.
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marasamune posted:I believe it's stated that Nupraptor's insanity corrupted the rest of the circle, basically turning them into paranoid power-hungry selfish pricks. I don't think it was meant that his madness drove the others mad, just that it tainted them enough to corrupt their pillars and thus all of nosgoth.
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Alexeythegreat posted:That being said, Dead Sun was supposed to be an in-continuity reboot with completely different characters and an independent storyline. There was another game in the making, though, before that, Dark Prophecy, which was supposed to be the continuation/tie-up of the main story. Here: http://legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_The_Dark_Prophecy.
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marasamune posted:
Yes, you can. However, the people you drink from need to be in front of you meristem posted:No, it's the former (it was a reboot). I meant that after the Dark Prophecy was cancelled the original concepts for Dead Sun may have, theoretically, been including the continuation of the LoK storyline, and then changed for a reboot. It is theoretically possible nutri_void fucked around with this message at 12:31 on May 10, 2015 |
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May 10, 2015 11:16
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And here's the update.  I deiberatly avoid talking for the first part of the episode. the Nupraptor's theme is one of the best drat soundtracks in the series, and the thing is just too dark and gritty and awesome to talk over *_*
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I'm glad someone going over these games and hope to continue seeing more. Also, if you do decide to go through the series will you do it by the timeline (Omen 1, Omen 2, Soulreaver) or by when the games were released?
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Patchwork posted:I'm glad someone going over these games and hope to continue seeing more. I'll probably stick to doing them in the order they were released. The timelime is warped multiple times, and I think that it'll be less convoluted if I do them in release order and just put "...and to understand where the hell did this plot point come from and/or why it makes no sense, watch this thing in a previous game" links as needed
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One thing that's puzzled me over the years - where does the name "nupraptor" come from? Raptor is obvious, but I've never heard of the prefix "nup" before and I wonder if there's meaning anywhere. There are other characters whose naming puzzle me but we haven't formally met them yet. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrO3oTrJoA
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double nine posted:One thing that's puzzled me over the years - where does the name "nupraptor" come from? Raptor is obvious, but I've never heard of the prefix "nup" before and I wonder if there's meaning anywhere. There are other characters whose naming puzzle me but we haven't formally met them yet. The majority of the cast apparently received various name changes as the script developed - Nupraptor's apparently stayed the same if the earlier scripts are any indication. It doesn't seem to mean anything, there's only an handful that could be said to have any meaning other than just weird fantasy names. Mortanius is one - Mort = death, etc.
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You may wish to be careful with this game, I'm not sure how far you've tested this game before starting this LP but for me trying to play it on a modern system it was more or less fine until very far into the game where you have to talk to the king dude, I can't remember if its after or before you rescue his daughter but the game can get stuck after if I remember correctly and I don't remember if there was a way around it.
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Err.... I guess I'll just have to have faith. Last time I played through the entire game was on Vista, so I have no idea whether it'll get stuck now.
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Blood Omen is one of those games which I enjoyed far more than I felt it deserved, probably due to the great voice cast. Tony Jay and Simon Templeman were amazing, as was Michael Bell in the sequels. Also since it's one of the, what, two good games Silicon Knights ever did before it collapsed under the weight of lawsuits, reformed, and then had one of its co-founders caught with child porn.
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Ironslave posted:Blood Omen is one of those games which I enjoyed far more than I felt it deserved, probably due to the great voice cast. Tony Jay and Simon Templeman were amazing, as was Michael Bell in the sequels. Silicon Knights had three good games, Blood Omen, Eternal Darkness, and Metal Gear: Twin Snakes. All three of them were done under partnership with an outside publisher (Crystal Dynamics, Nintendo, and Konami) who eventually had to step in and manage a large part of each respective games development. Silicon Knights may of had some good people working for them, but their management is rightfully famous for being loving worthless.
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Ironslave posted:Blood Omen is one of those games which I enjoyed far more than I felt it deserved, probably due to the great voice cast. Tony Jay and Simon Templeman were amazing, as was Michael Bell in the sequels. 
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Not only did this happen, it happened in the midst of their second attempt to kickstart Shadow of the Eternals, an anticipated "spiritual sequel" to Eternal Darkness which they put on the back burner (despite people wanting it) to do Too Human. Too Human, which was found to have been created using code from Epic's Unreal Engine, and was ordered destroyed by the court. The mismanagement and ridiculous scenarios and development history of Silicon Knights and its games is loving legendary, and makes for a wonderful comedic read. That they managed to make games as good as Blood Omen and Eternal Darkness, even with other companies stepping in and kicking them in the rear end, is nothing short of a miracle.
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I knew about the lawsuits... I knew not about the child porn
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Patchwork posted:I'm glad someone going over these games and hope to continue seeing more.
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anilEhilated posted:I'm fairly sure Omen 2 is an alternate universe thing. It's like "what if Kain awoke in a world ruled by horrible writing" or some such shite. No, it's not an alternate universe. It's an altered timelime. The way things came to be as they were in BO2 is first mentioned in the very end of SR2 and is properly explained (with the expection of one loophole*) in Defiance *there are more loopholes, but only one is relevant in determining the relationship between the events of BO2 and Defiance
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Alexeythegreat posted:I knew about the lawsuits... I knew not about the child porn I made the mistake of looking this up. Polygon in July 2014 posted:Kenneth McCulloch, the former Silicon Knights director and Precursor Games founder who was arrested last year on child pornography charges, was sentenced this week in an Ontario Court of Justice. According to a report published by The Welland Tribune, Judge Joseph Nadel sentenced McCulloch to time served — 12 months — after the former game developer pleaded guilty to a charge of making child pornography available. http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/30/5951777/ex-silicon-knights-dev-kenneth-mcculloch-child-pornography-charges He wasn't just downloading child porn, but appears to actually be involved in child sexual slavery. 
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Oh look, Blood Omen, this thread will be fun trip down memory lane! Whelp.
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Hey, you learn something new every day!
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If you like cynical Kain, check what he says in the pause menu when you examine Nupraptor's head. Cracks me up every time 
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Alexeythegreat posted:No, it's not an alternate universe. It's an altered timelime. The way things came to be as they were in BO2 is first mentioned in the very end of SR2 and is properly explained (with the expection of one loophole*) in Defiance It doesn't help that it was originally an entirely different game that had nothing to do with LoK.
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Blood Omen 2 is still pretty fun to play though and the story isn't THAT bad, its just a tad discontinuous.
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I kind of enjoy BO2 in a guilty pleasure sort of way, glitchy and badly written as it is. At least Simon Templeman doesn't phone it in and gives 110%.
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BO2 is fun for the first hour and a half (largely because it has, imo, the best combat system in the series) Then it gets repetitive as holy hell And then that wtf plot point/loophole/continuity screw-up comes in And the character designs And getting power upgrades by stomach extension There's a lot wrong with BO2 That said, I also get some guilty enjoyment out of it, at least for the first several hours (although the endgame is insufferable) Defiance and SR1 also get repetitive, but they have more things on repeat and Michael Bell, so it doesn't get boring anywhere near as fast nutri_void fucked around with this message at 00:21 on May 13, 2015 |
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I am an unrepentant LoK fanboy, but I hated the poo poo out of Blood Omen 2. The obviously missed plothole aside (how how how did they miss it!?) I really didn't appreciate the inclusion of one of the characters, and what the inclusion of said character meant with regards to the writers familiarity with the IP (IE: pathetically little). You mentioned in one of the videos that we don't really see the alternate forms in later games, but this isn't entirely the case. Bat-form and another form we'll get later return in the Kain sections of Defiance (as abilities, not full forms), and the jumping abilities of the Wolf appear in Blood Omen 2 and Defiance. It really is too bad that we never get an explanation for the spirit forges or the blood fountains, though I guess you could use them as evidence supporting some of the plot of the later games. In regards to Nupraptor's corruption of the Circle, I would argue that while most of them are not outright bugfuck nuts, they are all fairly unhinged. It's more that they are no longer able to effectively perform their duties, hence the Pillars have called for a reset. Gah, we need to be further in so that I can talk about more stuff.
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All of them are insane, but insanity can mean many things and manifest in many ways. This is confirmed by Amy Hennig, the writer for series after Blood Omen, in regards to a thing which happens. Also my problem with BO2 was that the combat was okay at first, but by the end it mostly boiled down to you blocking until you had enough power to use your instakill ability.
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