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Sorry in advance, this thread is going to be slightly e/n-ish. I am a college graduate with a liberal arts degree  . I have spent the past two years working in a social work related field. I have recently come to the conclusion that my co-workers essentially come in three types: idiots, sociopaths, and some genuinely idealistic and kind-hearted ones who are ultimately even bigger morons than the first group. I did well in school but spent my college years mistakenly thinking that helping the world was: a) possible and b) desirable. Now I just want all the money. I don't care what I do, but I recognize that at this point (I'm 26) it might be harder to shift gears. I will do anything, work any hours, but it has to be with the ultimate goal of making $200,000+ a year, ideally as quickly as possible. My parents are retiring with little and I'd like to take care of them. Also I am sick to death of being poor. Every day I look up different positions: management consulting, finance, all that bullshit but I'm unsure how to break into these without a dedicated degree. Help me set up a 5 to 10 year plan of becoming as rich as possible. Mind you I have no preferences, desires, or scruples of any sort beyond the acquisition of wealth. Help me BFC, you're my only hope.
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You should start a charity, to leverage all the experience and contacts in the social work world and the good-will you've built up in the eyes of society. Then keep all the money.
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May 1, 2015 05:43
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here's a ted talk on the very subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YePH5YYgQNk
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May 1, 2015 06:21
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Doctors Hate Him! Discover one easy trick to make 200k with a Liberal Arts Degree!rakovsky maybe posted:Also I am sick to death of being poor. quote:Help me BFC, you're my only hope.
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May 1, 2015 06:21
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From your posting, you have no/minimal skills, qualifications or work experience of value. How exactly do you expect to earn 200k per year? How about you post all your skills and qualifications, with emphasis on those of market value, and we take it from there instead? In all likelihood, you are unlikely to achieve your goals. The most obvious high-paying jobs that do not require qualifications are Sales and doing coding. You can give these 2 jobs a go and see whether you are good at the required skill sets. Ed: I find it a bit offensive that you have led your life the way you did, and now you expect a 200k job just by putting in effort at this late stage and with so short a timeframe. There are many people who have put in a lot for a long time to get to where they are. John Smith fucked around with this message at 09:41 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 09:38
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Go and work as a bitch on some offshore / arctic oil rig on some hellish roster that everyone else refuses to touch cause it is basically slavery.
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May 1, 2015 11:52
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rakovsky maybe posted:I have recently come to the conclusion that my co-workers essentially come in three types: idiots, sociopaths, and some genuinely idealistic and kind-hearted ones who are ultimately even bigger morons than the first group. Which group are you in? I have a pretty good guess but I want to hear you say it yourself.
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May 1, 2015 12:21
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Go back in time and get a degree in finance in a top school, then sell your 20s to an investment firm. Don't even think about doing this now, by the time you finish at age 30 you'll be considered damaged goods in that industry. Your best bet is a life of crime or working on an oil rig without any offtime. edit: Also, I bet you stole the idiots/sociopaths/clueless thing from http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/. You ain't foolin' nobody
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May 1, 2015 13:09
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All wrong. Be a mortician. The baby boomers are going to start dying like crazy.
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May 1, 2015 15:05
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Honestly now, rate your own sociopathy on a scale of 1-10. And your business acumen. Sociopathy > business? Then it's a life of bamboozling, flim-flammery, and grift for you. Practice now by looking the elderly in the eye and telling them "I can double your money in a year, with absolutely no risk" Business > sociopathy? Then off to MBA school. It's the same thing, really, but more socially acceptable. Practice now by looking shareholders in the eye and telling them "It's totally reasonable to pay 100% goodwill for this acquisition because synergy!"
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May 1, 2015 15:16
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pig slut lisa posted:Which group are you in? I have a pretty good guess but I want to hear you say it yourself. Started out the latter, moving to the middle. But at least I'd rather not inflict myself on the most vulnerable people in society. Not a Children posted:edit: Also, I bet you stole the idiots/sociopaths/clueless thing from http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/. You ain't foolin' nobody I've read that before but honestly think the social work field attracts a unique set of these. The lack of money and thus standards attracts idiots, the ability to have power over the homeless/mentally ill/impoverished attracts sociopaths and it should be obvious what attracts idealist morons. SlapActionJackson posted:Honestly now, rate your own sociopathy on a scale of 1-10. And your business acumen. Sociopathy > business, probably. List of job options: 1. 2. Business/MBA (But I've heard these degreees are much less useful now, maybe I'm wrong) 3. Selling homeopathic remedies 4. Mercenary 5. Some sort of Walter White-esque drug dealer? Really, the responses so far are pretty disappointing. With ten years of absolute control over someone's life you can't make them relatively wealthy? I expected better.
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May 1, 2015 15:30
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Pour yourself into programming and you could probably do it, assuming you have the knack for that kind of thinking. How nerdy are you, OP?
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May 1, 2015 15:30
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No one is going to tell him the secret of playing the lottery?
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May 1, 2015 15:31
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rakovsky maybe posted:Really, the responses so far are pretty disappointing. With ten years of absolute control over someone's life you can't make them relatively wealthy? I expected better. Anesthesiologist/other specialized doctor? You may be able to swing that in 10 years, and if you get your medical pre-reqs your social work background could actually help you get into medical school. You'd need at least a 3.15-3.25 GPA in undergrad IIRC. Obviously higher for better medical schools.
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May 1, 2015 15:33
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Cicero posted:Pour yourself into programming and you could probably do it, assuming you have the knack for that kind of thinking. How nerdy are you, OP? Yeah I've considered this option as well. What's the best approach: going back to school for it, taking one of those coding boot camps, or just self-teaching?
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May 1, 2015 15:33
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rakovsky maybe posted:Yeah I've considered this option as well. What's the best approach: going back to school for it, taking one of those coding boot camps, or just self-teaching?
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May 1, 2015 16:34
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How does one get one of these artic oil rig jobs with high pay and slave lifestyle that I hear bandied about?
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May 1, 2015 16:41
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Realistically you only have one chance. Create a product or service that everyone wants and sell it. Then sell your company to a larger company. Good luck!
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May 1, 2015 17:30
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quote:Two close boyhood friends grow up and go their separate ways. One becomes a humble monk, the other a rich and powerful minister to the king. Years later they meet. As they catch up, the minister (in his fine robes) takes pity on the thin, shabby monk. While I never made the kind of money you're after, I did work my balls off to climb the corporate ladder. Although I was able to save up some money and put away some for retirement, it did not make me happy. I since found a job that is much more laid back but has good benefits. It doesn't pay nearly as well, but I've learned that I don't want fancy things in life. I want to bike to the store and make my dinner daily. I want to be able to pick up friends and family at the airport without drawing the ire of my co-workers. I want to be able to help my fellow man out when I can. Good luck on your journey, but I think that adjusting your wants will yield a happier life than only going after material goods (after your basic needs are met).
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May 1, 2015 17:45
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You need to start a business if you want to make $200k/year in the shortest amount of time possible, but obviously the risk is huge and the chance of succeeding requires an enormous amount of luck on top of devoting every waking moment of your life to the business. You could also get into sales, but that requires a certain personality and the ability to remorselessly manipulate other people. That being said, a $200,000 salary is a pretty lofty goal for such a short time horizon. You may want to temper your expectations and settle for the fact that you're going to need to work your way up if you want the safety of a salary / being paid by someone else. Life is all about risk vs. reward, there's no way around it. If you're willing to go back to school you could look at majors that will qualify you for careers that are future-proof, pay well out of the gate, and have the opportunity for advancement. The most obvious career fields are in technology, engineering, economics, actuarial, and finance. Do not become a loving doctor, in fact, forget about the patient care services industry unless it's healthcare technology. You do not want to be working in a hospital when the baby boomers begin to put pressure on the system, it's going to be horrific. On the other hand, you may want to be working on/creating the technology they'll need to stay alive for as long as possible (the hubris is strong in these folks). You can make a lot of money in more obscure niches but you'll have to literally become one of the best in your field, which will require passion lest you'll burn out quickly. fruition fucked around with this message at 18:46 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 18:43
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rakovsky maybe posted:Started out the latter, moving to the middle. But at least I'd rather not inflict myself on the most vulnerable people in society. Dang, I didn't guess other of these Nocheez posted:Good luck on your journey, but I think that adjusting your wants will yield a happier life than only going after material goods (after your basic needs are met). I always liked what jlcollinsnh had to say on this point (esp the part about the monk and the minister): http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/05/26/guest-posting-financial-independence-23-years-later/
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May 1, 2015 18:43
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Become a commercial real estate appraiser. You will have a 3-year apprenticeship where your income is siphoned directly off of your mentor's/boss's income, so it won't be more than about $24,000 to $36,000/year. After you get your license (minimum of 30 months) you will make $150,000/year. It's less than $200,000 and Years 1-3 suck, but it doesn't sound like you have any existing skills or direction so you probably aren't going to be foregoing 3 years of high income.
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May 1, 2015 18:46
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https://erecruiting.halliburton.jobs/sap/bc/webdynpro/sap/zhrrcf_a_unreg_job_search_f?&sap-language=EN I found an entry-level pump technician job in North Dakota, you'd move up the pay scale really fast.
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May 1, 2015 19:14
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Aliquid posted:https://erecruiting.halliburton.jobs/sap/bc/webdynpro/sap/zhrrcf_a_unreg_job_search_f?&sap-language=EN Don't do this. Go offshore. Trying to rent a place up there will eat your salary and unless oil prices rise drastically you're probably going to lose your job. Also, completion side of the business makes significantly less money most places. Drilling drilling drilling. Look at becoming a hand on a rig somewhere. The going is going to be tough right now, but if commodity price rise you will have an opening. If you start with a good company you will be making about 90k/year for the first six months (if you're working 28 days on 14 days off) and get bumped to around 120 after that. If you have a good head on you, are not afraid of heights, work hard, and not be a whiny bitch you might make company man in a decade.. There you can make 1800- 3000 a day. Just remember not to spend your money like a fiend because commodities will crash again and you will find yourself getting all your poo poo repoed and penniless. Also, your health is going to suffer from eating crap, never sleeping, and being stressed to gently caress. Your best bet though. Good luck. JohnGalt fucked around with this message at 22:49 on May 1, 2015 |
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May 1, 2015 22:42
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rakovsky maybe posted:List of job options: 6. Escort work. It's easy too, just close your eyes and think of England.
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May 2, 2015 00:18
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The median (and the average, for that matter) salary for the highest paid profession in america is under $200k. So good luck. If you have the chops to be an executive, you might hit the $200k mark, but probably not even then. Your next best choice with a liberal arts degree is going to be a manager at a corporation. Marketing, IT, and Sales managers all can pull in bank, but you probably need to know something about these fields before you can just jump in.
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May 2, 2015 01:00
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Load up on SSRIs, work two jobs, run a side biz of your own, and join me in questioning whether you actually needed $200k in the first place.  Spend less and convince your family of the same. It feels much better.
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May 2, 2015 02:15
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Try get a job at a tech company in sales/account management. Your degree at least shows you can work unsupervised and also you can at least communicate on some level. Think about doing an MBA when you have more experience under your belt. Nothings gonna drop you into 200k in a few years that isn't incredibly risky or dangerous. You will have to aim to be in that position 5-10 years down the line. A mid level sales person at a nasdaq 100 company would easily be making that money. Even then you will be maybe 35 and still have another 30+ years of work to look forward too, if you see the writing on the wall its worth making the change now.
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May 2, 2015 02:26
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adorai posted:The median (and the average, for that matter) salary for the highest paid profession in america is under $200k. So good luck. If you have the chops to be an executive, you might hit the $200k mark, but probably not even then.
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May 2, 2015 03:44
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Cicero posted:Hitting 200k isn't that hard. Senior engineers and even mid-levels at many companies in the bay area do it (assuming you include RSUs and bonuses). So in the highest or second highest cost of living area in America you can easily exceed the median salary. So all he has to do is moved to new York or San Francisco.
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May 2, 2015 04:17
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Have you considered a life of crime? You have a natural in as a social worker. You know who many people are that are already scumbags. Think of the heists/drug deals you could pull off with them?
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May 2, 2015 04:19
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adorai posted:So in the highest or second highest cost of living area in America you can easily exceed the median salary. So all he has to do is moved to new York or San Francisco. I'm already in New York.
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May 2, 2015 04:30
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rakovsky maybe posted:I'm already in New York. Ok become a barista.
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May 2, 2015 04:37
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I have just the penny stock to invest in. You could make 10000% returns. Be sure to leverage and borrow all the money you can. Once you have at least $15,000 ready to invest I will give you this cannot lose stock tip for a %. After this you will learn an important lesson on how to become rich.
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May 2, 2015 04:38
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adorai posted:So in the highest or second highest cost of living area in America you can easily exceed the median salary. So all he has to do is moved to new York or San Francisco. If you want to make big bucks, you have to be intentional with what field you go into, and also what geographical area you work in.
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May 2, 2015 04:43
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Cicero posted:Shockingly, high-income jobs tend to be clustered around high cost-of-living areas. It's almost like there's some connection there. Well that's what I'm saying. I'm totally intentional. Now how do I make big bucks?
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May 2, 2015 04:55
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Already told you one way. According to glassdoor, senior engineers at Google make around 250k between salary, stock, and bonus; they're above average in pay but by no means alone in these expensive areas. A particularly skilled and ambitious new grad starting at Google could probably hit that after 4 or 5 years of experience (6 - 8 would be a more common timeframe). Anyway, is that actually possible for you? Who knows. Right now software development is a hot job market and there aren't many real structural barriers. It really would come down to your own aptitude and drive. If you're serious, start reading the newbie jobs thread in CoC, hacker news, and /r/cscareerquestions.
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May 2, 2015 05:59
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I completed a post-graduate certificate in business (I'm not a business major), and I think it really helped me get more interviews. Then I eventually found an entry-level purchasing job, rather than being stuck with more temp work. Aside from that I don't want to drop money on another degree, but I think there are alternatives. I've been using a math tutor for two years and eventually want to start taking actuarial exams. They're all free of entry requirements except one has to pass them in sequence. They're all multiple-choice statistics and finance problems through a testing center, which I don't like but I'm making this a long-term goal. Also I used a Java programming tutor for one year and it really helped reinforce all the basics of programming, which I had been learning on-and-off over time. I don't know if that will ever translate into multiple hundred-thousands of dollars in salary. However, it has helped me automate business job tasks and complete them more easily in general. Also I put aside income into mutual funds, and try to hedge based on portfolio manager's backgrounds, region focus and industry focus. However I don't have enough money to justify buying stocks yet, because I'd want to diversify and can't buy enough quantity per stock at once to justify the transaction fees. SecurityManKillJoy fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 08:15
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I personally think it would be possible and even easy to approach 200k in ten years with a programming job and ten years of focus. You don't need to go to college for it, a buddy of mine came from a business degree and did a coding boot camp for 2 or 3 months (and either 12 or 20k) and had a job making 90k a few months later. The catch is you have to be good at your job, which means you code at work and code at home to learn more. If you like coding, this will happen either way. There is always more to learn. I've been in the field for ten years, I could get a job in the city for 160-170k base tomorrow if I wanted to, and bonuses and/or side projects would surely clear me over 200, but I settle for less because my job is cake and I can work from home in my underwear. But, programming is a skill that requires a special type of brain. You need to be a good problem solver, slightly OCD, and have a real desire to learn and implement the best solutions for given problems. Good organizational skills are key. Some people just have a hard time with all the abstract concepts. I personally believe they can be learned regardless, but still, none of this will happen unless you really want to be (and actually do become) a good programmer. FateFree fucked around with this message at 13:32 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 13:28
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Um, all of this sounds really hard and like a lot of work. Will someone just post the goddamn cheat code to get 200k
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