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I'm all about this LP. Once upon a time I played a crapton of MGS 1 & 2. I kinda got burnt out somewhere in the middle of 3 and that's kinda where I stopped the series dead. I've never actually seen any of the plot to 4 or Peace Walker or Rising. I know they go in the clear direction Kojima takes everything though, so I can't wait til you get there. You know, I'm not sure if I've ever actually seen that SOCOM conversation between the guards. I always take the top floor vent and see them talking about the Ninja, which is the first place the game makes you realize that not everything is going according to plan.
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Agreed. This retrospective style really works well with thread-based discussion, allowing the entire series to shine instead of just a highlight.
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May 2, 2015 18:22
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Edward_Tohr posted:There's a SOCOM there. I suspect that conversation I said I didn't see happens because he didn't pick up the gun up in the truck, to let you know where to get one.
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May 3, 2015 19:58
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I had a similar experience to Danaru in that I rented the game and it came in a flimsy plastic store box with a printed label on it, and they too added Meryl's frequency as a PS to the game description on the back with zero fanfare. Also, I now seem to recall fooling around and not grabbing the socom to see how far I could get after watching this and I want to say it keeps pulling the "appears right in front of you where it normally doesn't" thing it did here until you're forced to grab it in Ocelot's room because you can't beat him any other way.
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May 4, 2015 21:49
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inthesto posted:I played the demo for MGS1 when I was 12 or 13 years old. Being the clever devil that I was, I kept using the cigarettes, thinking there would be some kind of easter egg if I somehow killed myself with them. Well, they DO have a couple uses, but only as makeshifts if you don't have better items for it. If you smoke while standing near lasers, the smoke refracts the beams and makes them temporarily visible (this is used much more in Metal Gear 1 and 2, and the MGS Game Boy game). Also, iirc, don't they also calm your nerves in sniper mode a little, but not as much as the pills?
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May 5, 2015 04:47
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ChaosArgate posted:There are a few uses. I love how those would all work perfectly well in the real world too.
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May 5, 2015 07:08
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Danaru posted:I legitimately wouldn't have even thought of that. The MGS games in general have a lot of obscure hidden stuff, but MGS3 really surpasses the others in that regard. I think my favorite bit is the conversation you can have after you first eat a phosphorescent mushroom to charge your batteries. Para-Medic's all "Wait, that makes zero sense according to physics" and Snake's all "I unno, just works." That, or Signit's Metal Gear Poopy nightmare.
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May 5, 2015 18:41
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Considering Deep Throat was named such deliberately after the hugely popular porno out at the time (seriously, Deep Throat is probably the most successful porn of all time, doing better money than most Hollywood films that year) I think it's okay to giggle at it, because at the end of the day it's a pun (DEEP cover) based on blowjobs. Also, Deep Throat is a weird movie. Not as out there as other mainstream at the time porn like Devil in Miss Jones or anything, but a movie about a woman born mutated so she has a clit in her throat is pretty weird still. Also it feels scummy to even think about its popularity because years later the star, Linda Lovelace, claims she was forced to do the film (sometimes at gunpoint!) by her husband who got all her money, and considers the film to be her getting raped multiple times.
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May 7, 2015 01:35
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Yeah, the 70's were a LOT weirder than nostalgia would have you believe. The period where porn went mainstream really boggles my mind. Hollywood big budget pictures were probably at their most terrible at the time (this was right before stuff like Star Wars brought big effects movies back) and the porn folks started trying to make "real" movies with actual plots as well as wall-to-wall fuckin', and it worked for a short period. Like, I think it really hit me one time where I caught an old episode of Sanford and Son on Nick at Night or something, and Lamont's getting ready to leave the house and he tells his dad that he "and the guys wanna go see this new skin flick playing at the theater, it's supposed to be outta sight". Who just says "Hey dad, I'm leaving to go watch a porn with my buddies..."???
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May 7, 2015 03:20
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Policenaughts is pretty good. It's basically Lethal Weapon in space. The main characters are pretty much literally Murtaugh and Riggs with different names. Also, the bad guy company (Tokagawa) is the same ones that make Raiden's robot body. Also, there's a character cameo from Snatcher in Policenaughts. It's all connected. (Incidentally, it could be argued that Metal Gear 1 & 2 are loosely referenced in Snatcher, and I'm NOT talking about your robot buddy that returns for MGS4). IIRC, On someone's bookshelf in Policenaughts is a copy of the first game Kojima made, this dinky little 3D runner where you're a penguin jumping over obstacles. Also, I'm convinced now that Danaru doesn't actually know that you're safe from cameras if you stand directly underneath them.
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May 9, 2015 01:24
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FillInTheBlank posted:I'm a big dumby and don't get it.  Jaeger is German for Hunter.
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May 9, 2015 05:44
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Danaru posted:I do, but Snake controls a bit... "heavy" in MGS1, and sometimes I forget that and end up popping off walls when I don't mean to, leading to an alert. Plus we basically have infinite chaff grenades, so cameras can suck it I'll excuse it for some spots, but when you kept getting frustrated at the VERY slow moving cameras at the corners above the stairs in the first room was ridiculous. They might be literally the easiest cameras to avoid in the whole game.
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May 9, 2015 17:15
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I'm a weirdo in that I really really like MGS2. Kojima crammed it so full of little mechanical details that are really incredible, and often not pointed out at all. (Like how the escort mission's the only place you need your sniper rifle, the rest of the times you might use it you can just manually aim the pistol in first person mode, and the sights actually work right and it has quite a bit of distance on it). Like, if you can look past how lame and whiny MGS2 Raiden is, it's a solid little game. Also, as we're not caring about spoilers, go ahead and check the PAL key in your inventory in the furnace and the freezer rooms. It totally changes shape long before they reveal that plot point to you.
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May 10, 2015 22:15
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I feel like a failure because when I finally went out to get all the dog tags instead of just go through on easy exploring the game, I couldn't be the hind on Hard difficulty. drat thing wouldn't stop firing the machine gun long enough for me to get a shot in.
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May 11, 2015 16:33
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For some reason I was able to handle her. I did all the tanker chapters separate when hunting for the tags, instead of running complete story mode. What's funny is then I didn't try subsistance for like, 4 or 5 years after that and it just tore me apart.
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May 11, 2015 22:17
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I had no idea you could stun the wolves. You sure as crap can't shoot them if Meryl's there. And yeah, Grace is right, Sniper Wolf is the one taking care of the dogs (alongside Otacon...how does that dweeb get so many chicks? Like seriously, every single woman with issues in the series (so every single woman in the series) is totally dickmatized by this guy who's basically a goon) and if you hang on to her handkerchief that you get after battle 2 as your primary item, it has the same effect as the peed-on box without effing up your mobility. Also those wolves are crazy. One time I went through during a point after this in the game and didn't do any measures to make them like me, so they were all riled up, and I decided to take a breather outside the crawlspace. They were going nuts for me on the other side. Then I hear this scraping sound, and look in first person, and one wolf is actually crawling very slowly under the rocks, scraping against them to get to me in his rage, and made it through to fight me. 
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May 12, 2015 18:06
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The auto-fire comment means if you use an official Sony controller that has a rapid fire setting on it, he'll tell you to stop cheating and start over from scratch. I had an off-brand that he couldn't tell for and totally cheesed it all the time. Also, I totally called it back in 1998 that they were lampshading that Big Boss wasn't dead here as the big reason why they weren't sending his remains to the terrorists. I forget, doesn't if you wait long enough in the prison cell Grey Fox comes and springs you?
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May 14, 2015 20:56
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I love how as bugfuck nuts the main games' plots are, the more you dig for the more obscure points of plot or side things, the more insane it gets. My favorite piece of weirdness is the novella about the weirdo obsessed with peanut butter that sneaks into a post MGS Shadow Moses in a seal costume.
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May 15, 2015 04:56
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I too remember trying the original Metal Gear on the NES and finding it impenetrable to my young mind. What's funny is going back and playing it now it's not even really that hard, it's just that the stealth/sneaking mechanic was completely different from any other games at the time (plus they increased the dog count for the system among the other changes  )
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May 15, 2015 18:06
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Yeah, like I was saying, those dogs in the NES version are just too much. The MSX version has far less of them, and they're easy to handle. Probably the most frustrating part of that one is the tank fight just because it wasn't thought thru (You have to put landmines in front of it and hope it decides to go forward onto them without getting hit yourself). Yes, fighting a tank is one of the many things unoriginal about MGS. Seriously, it's harder to list the things that aren't reused from Metal Gear 1 & 2. Like, some of the personalities present, certain plot devices like Foxdie, and the PAL key, and Grey Fox being a zombie ninja (though the cyborg part kinda hearkens back to the robots of part one that may or may not have been prototype Snatchers) anything to do with Psycho Mantis, and the sniper stuff are all that's really springing to mind as not having some sort of similar presence in the earlier games. Maybe the chase scene at the very end, though there was an escape countdown at the end of the first game.
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May 15, 2015 19:24
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Then there's Ghost Babel for the Game Boy that might take place in between Metal Gear 2 and MGS1? Or it might be its own continuity as well. It doesn't really contradict MGS per se. Also, regarding men's room conversations I think there might be one or two, where they awkwardly mention how, even though it's embarrassing, even the most highly trained super soldiers need to take a leak every now and then. I'd say this is a call back to Metal Gear 2 where during the part where you and the lady soldier you befriend are escorting a captured scientist to freedom who is in no way acting suspicious at all, no sir, you end up having to take a break (in raw sewage) so he can go off to use the bathroom, and not at all inform the bad guys where you are.
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May 16, 2015 05:34
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John Luebke posted:Ghost Babel takes place a few years after MG1 and pretends MG2 never happened. It's an alternate version of MGS1, Snake is forced out of retirement by Campbell, he gets introduced to Mei Ling at the start of the mission etc. So yeah, it does contradict MGS. Are you sure that the Zanzibarland land intrusion didn't happen in Ghost Babel's timeline? I don't remember anything explicitly contradicting it. But yeah, Mei Ling being there totally causes a problem with MGS. Apparently the time line has Metal Gear happen in 1995, Metal Gear 2 in 1999, and Ghost Babel in 2002, while the MGS story is set in 2005. If they hadn't put Mei Ling in there (which is probably due to laziness on the writers adapting the game to be based off the success of MGS) all four could have co-existed without problem.
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May 16, 2015 07:39
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I would say it's less that Youtube hates this game, as it is that lately due to their controversy, Konami's decided to double down on content matching. See the recent controversy about the guy who made a video about how Kojima is leaving the company and how Konami initially put a content match takedown request on it, only for several hours later Youtube itself making history by saying "no dudes, you're full of it" and putting the video back up. Their claims they later used as "proof" was less than a minute of MGS V footage, which was mostly the title screen in a static shot. The company is seriously having a clear and obvious breakdown as a result of their head deciding that pachinko machines make more money than videogames (to be fair, he's not wrong.)
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May 16, 2015 21:41
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I-I'm not sure I remembered you could use Nikitas to take out Sniper Wolf. That's so much easier than the sniper battle you're supposed to do. Also, I'm SURE I didn't know what Kurds were at the time I played this, nor their hardships. (Those hardships were pretty much the sole reason the US cited to go to war with Iraq this century)
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May 18, 2015 15:38
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Yeah, when Kojima decides he's going to teach you about real world stuff, he tends to go whole hog (look at the digressions about the organ transplant process in Policenauts for example). The nuke stuff here was all stuff I already half knew thanks to my dad, but it's all correct. My father a. always for some reason was really interested in the SALT 1 era of history and has lots of books on the subject, and b. is MAJORLY into environmental health so he's ended up at conferences all about the aftermath of Chernobyl and things like that. He got to meet the man who was in charge of the cleanup operations for the USSR when it happened (like all men who managed to have access to ground zero that week, the cleanup guy is now long dead from nasty cancer). He would hear horror stories like how they found an old woman who lived in a cabin in the woods a couple miles out from the plant and lived off picking wild mushrooms, and even just her boots alone were off the charts in radiation.
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May 19, 2015 20:01
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I'm not sure which is better, the Colonel's patronizing or Mei Ling's quiet disbelief.
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May 20, 2015 06:44
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So, an easier way to take on Raven is to use the Nikitas, which they helpfully include in the ammo lying around.. you just have to be careful because like the stingers in the video, if he sees them he'll shoot them down. You gotta come from the back with them. Speaking of Raven, Vulcan Cannons are a real thing...normally carried by Warthog Helicopters, not people.. If spirituality is your bag, Raven is also my spirit animal. He represents the Magician in the Major Arcana of the Tarot, he uses trickery and deception to reach his goals, which tend to be both for his own gain as well as for the betterment of others. Unlike the other big trickster in Native Totems, Coyote who merely sees himself as more clever than others, Raven usually actually is the smartest one in the room. Also, for those of you who look for kojima konnections, Cherenoton Russia, which Ocelot initially suggests as a target for Metal Gear, is extremely important to Snatcher's storyline. The hero, Gillian Seed, and his wife are the assumed only survivors found after a biological research institute has a catastrophic explosion, resulting in the proliferation of the Lucifer Alpha virus, decimating most of Eurasia, later mutating to the mostly benign SNOW 9 virus. The Seeds have no memory of what happened before being found 50 years later in Russia. In reality, they were chief scientists at Cherenoton which was secretly a biological weapons lab. The Chief scientist, Dr Elijah Modnar, who also shows up in Metal Gear 2, put them in cryogenic storage while deliberately causing the disaster. He was secretly making androids-Snatchers-and used the disaster to hide his lab. The Seeds' cryogenic tubes malfunctioned, resulting in their memory loss and prolonged sleep as opposed to Modnar's, allowing him to keep working after a few years once Lucifer Alpha became benign. Speaking of Snatcher, it dawns on me that its vid-phone is kinda prototypical of the complex availability of the Codec, allowing for all sorts of optional conversations. Of course, the radio's always been a Metal Gear feature, but still.
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May 20, 2015 11:36
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That C4 extravaganza. Also, it's neat to see that they probably originally wanted a more dynamic camera than they got. MGS2 and Twin Snakes seemed to rectify that. (also higher asset cinemas)
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May 21, 2015 05:57
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May 28, 2015 03:11
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I'm not a plane guy. I GIS "Warthog Helicopter" and got that.
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May 28, 2015 03:20
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Might as well at this point start suggesting he drink every time the words "The" and "And" are used. 
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May 29, 2015 16:10
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Codec and exercise
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Jun 3, 2015 13:09
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Iron Chitlin posted:In all fairness, at least Grace was kind enough to have the video number in the file name. There is nothing worse than recording multiple episodes at once and then seeing that all your co-commentators decided to make jokes instead of being decent human beings... not that I'm bitter... In fact, even without chaff if you're far enough back the laser can't get you. You can totally cheese the second part of the battle, trivializing it. Also, while we're complaining about Liquid's speech, apparently by the game's own internal timeline, the genome soldiers are less than a decade old. Also, Liquid's understanding of asymmetry theory is LITERALLY the opposite of how things actually are in nature. Nature adores symmetry, both reflective (like in most bi or quadrapedal animals, and even in leaves) and radial (like, starfish and stuff) forms. If you play spore, it is very difficult to create an asymmetrical creature, the engine abhors it.
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Jun 5, 2015 13:06
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I don't think I ever made the connection that Ocelot killed Sigint on purpose to cover his tracks. The MGS games are like the Kingdom Hearts games--they reveal just enough to make you think you're getting to the bottom of things, then pull the rug out from under you to make no sense. Also I like the tiny detail that when the Colonel is being detained, he doesn't voice the game over audio. Mei Ling does instead.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:58
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So, only tangentially related, the other afternoon I was watching some dumb fairy tale movie with my kid. The king seemed to have a familiar voice, but the actor was listed as Kelly Brewster, with zero other credits. I did some investigating, and my hunch was correct--it was Cam Clarke completely phoning it in with absolutely zero effort.
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Jun 9, 2015 02:22
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It's an absolutely generic retelling of Snow White, only with her as a party girl, and instead of the apple putting her in fake death to be rescued by a handsome prince, she's a party girl where the apple makes her say rude things about all her friends. When she flees to the forest, she finds the dwarves who force her to work for the needy of fairy tale land, turning her life around.. It's very dull and inoffensive, but that puts it already on a shelf above many kids movies these days.
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Jun 10, 2015 05:48
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Meh, the skateboarding segment is cooler sounding than it is on substance. It's a demo (of I want to say Skate?) And you can't save during it, so you have to 100% your runs each time, and there's no stat gain. The snake and raiden runs are completely different at least.
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Jun 10, 2015 14:03
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huh, weird. I was just thinking today it'd been a long time since the thread updated and I was wondering where it went to. Glad it's not gone, because I never get tired of Dan and Grace's drunken escapades.
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Jul 7, 2015 07:26
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Also can I just say I appreciate Dan's "stealth" technique of constantly running up to dudes and flipping them?
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happy belated birthday! Try not to think about how amazing the genes were that made you who you are!
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