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nethack gets boring once you can ascend 9/10 times you play. There is so little variety once you get the routine down. MUCH LIKE YOUR POSTING! ha ha
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That's kind of the problem with roguelikes anyhow. Once you can repeatedly achieve victory, it's no longer an exciting adventure.
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May 2, 2015 17:43
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How is that a problem? You beat the game, possibly several times. You move on to one of the billion other games at that point.
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May 2, 2015 17:48
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yeah, it's an inherent flaw in the way roguelikes are made. there's really no way to avoid it unless you fill your game with lots of RANDOM BULLSHIT which isn't really fun either.
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May 2, 2015 17:49
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Khanstant posted:How is that a problem? You beat the game, possibly several times. You move on to one of the billion other games at that point. It's not a huge issue, but the reason people still play the old rear end acii roguelikes is because of replayability. So if a roguelike let's you do all you can/want as quickly as a few victories, then it would probably have been better off being a different kind of game.
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May 2, 2015 17:52
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Timesplitters: Future Perfect is loving awesome.
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May 2, 2015 18:00
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The Colonel posted:Timesplitters: Future Perfect is loving awesome. What happened to that spiritual sequel?
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Nasgate posted:It's not a huge issue, but the reason people still play the old rear end acii roguelikes is because of replayability. So if a roguelike let's you do all you can/want as quickly as a few victories, then it would probably have been better off being a different kind of game. With so many options out there today you'd think you'd to be able to beat one and move on. Then again, many people specifically seek out one or a few games they can play forever. I don't remember where but I read an MMO-addict advocating for like every bad design element to be added to the game to increase the length of their stay. Not that I think replayability in a roguelike is at all the same thing, and obviously most roguelikes are cheap rear end free so it's not a an automated shakedown program. As someone who's never beaten any roguelike of any kind out of the several dozen I've played, mastering a roguelike to beat it once or multiple times would be plenty for me.
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The Colonel posted:Timesplitters: Future Perfect is loving awesome.
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May 2, 2015 18:16
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If people want to make loving billions, what they need to do is remake all the Timesplitters games, update the netcode to allow online play, and put them up on steam. It would be a literal licence to print money.
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May 2, 2015 18:17
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The larger problem with Nethack is that if you can make it to the bottom of the mines and complete sokoban, you've got at least an 85% chance of being able to complete the bulk of the run. So there's this long, long portion in the middle where you're just sort of putzing around until you get to the 3 or 4 interesting (if one note) challenges in the game before you murder the Wizard of Yendor and the super loving exciting end game begins. I've lost way more Nethack games due to complete boredom and disenchantment than I have to just dying.
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May 2, 2015 18:26
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Ddraig posted:If people want to make loving billions, what they need to do is remake all the Timesplitters games, update the netcode to allow online play, and put them up on steam. not really, it wasnt a huge franchise at all
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May 2, 2015 18:27
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Ddraig posted:If people want to make loving billions, what they need to do is remake all the Timesplitters games, update the netcode to allow online play, and put them up on steam. Sure, I bet millions of people would be lining up to pay for a series of 15 year old games that they never bothered to play the first time around
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May 2, 2015 18:48
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Coolguye posted:The larger problem with Nethack is that if you can make it to the bottom of the mines and complete sokoban, you've got at least an 85% chance of being able to complete the bulk of the run. So there's this long, long portion in the middle where you're just sort of putzing around until you get to the 3 or 4 interesting (if one note) challenges in the game before you murder the Wizard of Yendor and the super loving exciting end game begins. yea that's why I either complete a game of nethack in one sitting or I save somewhere around the Castle and never load the save
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May 2, 2015 18:50
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precision posted:nethack gets boring once you can ascend 9/10 times you play. How much do you have to play Nethack to get to this point
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May 2, 2015 20:11
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too much 
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Zombies' Downfall posted:How much do you have to play Nethack to get to this point
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May 2, 2015 20:25
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The Colonel posted:Timesplitters: Future Perfect is loving awesome.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Actually not that much. Nethack is designed to basically be solvable. If you can beat it once you can beat it every time, the real challenge comes from solving the early game with all the classes. Most of the endgame is the same with anyone. Nethack is so solvable that people have made bots that play Nethack well enough to ascend all on their own.
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May 2, 2015 21:49
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Yeah Nethack's only got two portions of the game that are touch and go. The first is the early game (before you've completed Sokoban and cleaned out the Gnomish Mines), which is readily apparent by looking at the top deaths on NAO (http://alt.org/nethack/topdeaths.html), and noticing that literally everything except wands that ends games more often than ascension are encountered in the first ~5 levels or so. The second is the very end game, which starts after you kill the Wizard of Yendor, because that rear end in a top hat will continue to respawn and harass you at the most inconvenient times until the end of the game. But nothing forces you to start that sequence, so you can prepare forever. That being the case, if you die in the end game, it was almost certainly your fault in a pretty big way. Beyond the early game, what's gonna get you killed in Nethack is just not knowing what's next. I'm pretty sure everyone who's played the game unspoiled has died at least a couple of times to not knowing how a cockatrice works. But if you read a wiki for a while it substitutes as skill.
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Adam Bowen posted:Sure, I bet millions of people would be lining up to pay for a series of 15 year old games that they never bothered to play the first time around It worked for ff7. There's a dream it could work for an actual good game.
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Adam Bowen posted:Sure, I bet millions of people would be lining up to pay for a series of 15 year old games that they never bothered to play the first time around Too bad Crytek hold the keys to the franchise and are content to do nothing with it but slyly reference it every few years. The CEO even said "Yeah I'd love to remake it but it'd cost too much money I guess so nah" EDIT: Sarcastic as you are being, they still hold up pretty well today as far as FPS's from the early 2000's go. Judge Tesla fucked around with this message at 23:57 on May 2, 2015 |
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May 2, 2015 23:55
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they may do but they sold pretty badly all things considered and it's not like crytek has money to burn
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RE: roguelike difficulty i've been playing Brogue, and that game seems to go in the opposite direction where it's literally not possible to win more than a small fraction of games because the game's stingy as gently caress with resources and you starve to death if you don't dive constantly
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Nasgate posted:It worked for ff7. There's a dream it could work for an actual good game. come at me
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Nasgate posted:It worked for ff7. There's a dream it could work for an actual good game. Final Fantasy 7 probably sold more copies in their weakest region than all of the Timesplitters worldwide sales combined. It's not a question of quality. My grandma has heard of Final Fantasy, but even most gamers wouldn't have any reaction whatsoever if you told them Timesplitters was coming back. Judge Tesla posted:Too bad Crytek hold the keys to the franchise and are content to do nothing with it but slyly reference it every few years. I never played them. They looked pretty good as far as FPS games for console babies go, I'm just laughing at the idea that there's a huge demand and millions of dollars waiting to be grabbed by rereleasing a completely forgotten game series.
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Adam Bowen posted:Final Fantasy 7 probably sold more copies in their weakest region than all of the Timesplitters worldwide sales combined. It's not a question of quality. My grandma has heard of Final Fantasy, but even most gamers wouldn't have any reaction whatsoever if you told them Timesplitters was coming back. #woha
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what's a timesplitters
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precision posted:what's a timesplitters
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May 3, 2015 02:36
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precision posted:what's a timesplitters Vin Diesel is the main character
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May 3, 2015 02:39
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Forced a friend to play Shenmue for a while and it made me realize even further just how boring Shenmue is. The second one is way better though.
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May 3, 2015 02:42
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The Colonel posted:Timesplitters: Future Perfect is loving awesome. Only actually played this one from the series but yeah, 
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Timesplitters was only noteworthy for being an actual functional PS2 launch title and Timesplitters 2 had the dam level from Goldeneye with next-gen graphics, we were all lucky that the industry was more forgiving so Future Perfect could have a chance to exist.
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Skunkrocker posted:I've been replaying Blast Corps. I'm trying to get back to Full Platinum status. Thoughts for tonight: Time to get moving Yeah backlash is the worst. My gamepak is 3 away from full plat : diamond sands, Gibbons gate FYI gently caress PACMAN And orion plaza
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May 3, 2015 02:51
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Is REvelations 2 worth getting for PC? Does it have offline coop now?
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May 3, 2015 04:43
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soon... spent seasons 1 and 2 mostly getting all the rare spawns and all the collectibles, hardcore, and co-op stuff. Now I'm actually running pretty far into the greater rifts for this season. I have nearly half of the achievement points for Season 3 after just starting the other day. The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 11:15 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 11:12
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The Taint Reaper posted:soon... do you spend all of your life gaming and on the sa forums? do you not work?
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VideoGames posted:do you spend all of your life gaming and on the sa forums? do you not work? These achievements really are not a lot of work. With a friend you can bust a pretty significant portion of these out in a weekend.
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I said come in! posted:These achievements really are not a lot of work. With a friend you can bust a pretty significant portion of these out in a weekend. its not just diablo3, its all games all the time speaking about playing them.
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