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LeoMarr posted:10 employes all making 10 dollars is 100 dollars an hour for staffing So a company had ten workers doing work that could be accomplished with 7? Managers should be fired for incompetence.
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lol at the idea that the opposition to raising the minimum wage is out of a desire for sound policy.
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May 5, 2015 01:38
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remember that mass spiral of inflation and unemployment that happened the last time we raised the minimum wage? Or the ten times before that? No? Huh. I bet you could go back and find some shitstain saying 40 cents a day is too much.
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May 5, 2015 01:40
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Foma posted:Because I want people who are unemployed to find work and I want those people to get a decent amount of income as well. Lowering the minimum wage will not lead to more people getting hired.
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May 5, 2015 01:44
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LeoMarr posted:hahaha you sure about that? I know at least 5 businesses that would nuke their labor force to bring profits back up. IF you're paid $15 an hour you're going to be expected to do the world of 1.50 If they could fire people to increase profits without it affecting their products or services then why aren't they doing it right now and making their shareholders more money like they're supposed to? So you've got charts showing that cyclical unemployment occurs and that the minwage has increased over time, congrats. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 01:51 on May 5, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 01:49
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LeoMarr posted:Employment levels are manageable currently. Wages have been near the same for a whil now so the big brains in the corporate world have already calculated exactly how many people they can field at 10 an hour as opposed to how many are needed. Way to miss the point completely dingus. Why are managers wasting shareholder money paying people they don't need? Why would I choose between 10 people at 5 and 5 people at 10 when I could have 5 people at 5?
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May 5, 2015 01:56
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Foma posted:A higher minimum wage means less people will be employed. Prove it. This is a massive assumption that does not match up with history. Foma posted:Inflation and the minimum wage really have no link, there isn't enough money added to the pot to matter there. The minimum wage jobs will always be there though, and there will be somebody working for them. Why should the U.S. government subsidize Wal-Mart and McDonald's poo poo employment practices?
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May 5, 2015 01:59
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Foma posted:I am pretty a majority of Economists would say a higher minimum wage leads to less jobs. thehomemaster posted:Your question implies you think it should always rise, even above CPI. Also, such a massive leap in wages is risky. We had a 45% increase less than ten years ago. When will this risk appear?
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May 5, 2015 02:06
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Area Man Accuses Bystanders of Throwing a Temper Tantrum With Angry Tears Welling Up More at 11
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May 5, 2015 03:22
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Ervin K have you ever hosed a watermelon?
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May 5, 2015 03:23
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Typo posted:*Is unironically proud of the fact that he doesn't want to have a rational discussion. Be the change you want to see buddy.
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May 5, 2015 03:28
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I blame the children.
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May 5, 2015 04:39
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thehomemaster posted:I literally have no idea what is happening in this thread anymore. We're patiently waiting for a response to the watermelon loving inquiry.
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May 5, 2015 05:08
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President Kucinich posted:Guys I heard paying workers more money is bad for the economy. c/d? d
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May 5, 2015 06:59
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wateroverfire posted:Everything depends on the specifics. Name one.
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May 5, 2015 15:03
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wateroverfire posted:There are lots of reasons to think that. Productivity in some things has gone up but real prices have been competed down. A company like Walmart posts a net margin of 3-4% - that's profit after paying out employees and taxes, but not the owners. That's still billions of dollars, sure, but not a lot compared to the size of the operation. They make 16 billion dollars every year and have a GDP larger than Pakistan. You know who shops a lot at Wal-Mart? People who make minimum wage. Wal-Mart can only benefit from its customers (some of whom are their employees) from making more money. And it has the side bonus of the Feds not needing to help fund a private businesses lovely labor practices through SNAP.
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May 5, 2015 17:58
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wateroverfire posted:Small restaurants in innumerable towns in the U.S., for one. A lot of them already skirt the law because if they didn't they'd be broke. So you can't actually name one.
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May 5, 2015 18:03
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asdf have you ever hosed a watermelon?
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May 5, 2015 18:04
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I could be providing jobs in the mining sector right now if not for the perfidious federal child labor regulations and minimum wage laws
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May 5, 2015 18:16
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What's a few hundred scalped children in the face of cheap socks?
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May 5, 2015 18:23
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Cole posted:yeah but $15 minimum wage is stupid Your right it should be $20.
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May 7, 2015 23:58
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Cole posted:what about that guy who started out at minimum wage back when it was $6.50/hour and he's been working all these years and it up to $15 now. that's almost $9 an hour he has earned in raises over the last decade or so. and then minimum wage gets bumped up to $15/hour. This is retarded. He isn't making any less money. Oh but he can't claim to be superior to a whole lot of people because he makes the same amount of money as them, so horrible  .
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May 7, 2015 23:59
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Also I can't think of a single job in the entire loving world where the pay band runs from minimum to $15 an hour.
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May 8, 2015 00:00
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If you tie your self-worth and esteem to the amount of money you make you are hella hosed up imho. Maybe find something to like about yourself besides what someone is willing to pay you?
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May 8, 2015 00:02
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Minwage raise opponents: "Think of what you'll be costing the poor people!" Quickly followed by "I don't want to make the same as the poor people."
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May 8, 2015 00:15
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Cole posted:alright, then what should we do for the guy who has been working for almost a decade and is now getting paid what you wish minimum wage to be, and then minimum wage gets raised to that? regardless if your argument is "he won't be making less money!" it's a really lovely and demoralizing feeling to go from minimum wage, work nine years, and then you're back to minimum wage. Have you considered paragon1 posted:If you tie your self-worth and esteem to the amount of money you make you are hella hosed up imho. ? Or maybe ask for a raise.
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May 8, 2015 00:17
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Cole posted:publix supermarket cake decorators max at $14.89/hour and they cross train people who make minimum bagging groceries to be cake decorators
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May 8, 2015 00:19
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Cole posted:Getting paid what you are worth has nothing to do with self esteem. It has a lot to do with getting paid what you are worth. There are jobs out there that are not worth $15/hour. Cole posted:
It seems to be about self-esteem for you at least. If your job was worth $15 yesterday then it is worth $15 today. Unless you think you aren't getting paid what you are worth?
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May 8, 2015 00:38
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Is your boss loving you in the rear end fiscally Cole? Maybe you should do something about it instead of whining about the idea of other people getting paid a decent wage for once.
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May 8, 2015 00:39
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Cole posted:Really? You don't think people would be pissed about getting paid minimum wage simply because minimum wage gets raised so much more drastically than it has been raised in the past? You're pretty hard headed if you think people would be okay with that. No, I think plenty of people would be pretty pissed off because they're idiots like you who need to be making more than someone else to feel good, instead of being happy that people might get paid enough that they can work a service sector job and not have to go on welfare or choose between necessities. Doesn't mean we shouldn't raise it.
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May 8, 2015 00:42
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Cole posted:I get paid well above minimum wage, even if it was $15/hour. Then what the gently caress are you even complaining for?
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May 8, 2015 00:43
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Cole posted:You do know it's possible to move on from your $10/hr job to bigger and better things, right? You don't need to artificially get there, you can actually go out and earn $50k a year if you really give some effort. So you think all the people who are earning minimum wage now are just lazy scum who don't want it enough, eh? Hey Cole, have you ever hosed a watermelon?
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May 8, 2015 00:44
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Cole posted:It has nothing to do with making more than someone else to feel good. Stop putting words in my mouth. It has to do with putting in several years of work to get above minimum wage to only get placed right back at minimum wage. You proved yourself over years that you are worth more than minimum, that's why you got a raise in the first place. In many cases, you're giving people who have worked hard to get paid more than minimum wage a raise.... right to minimum wage, and that's a lovely proposition. Well if you're still worth more than the (people making the) minimum then you can work hard and get a raise, can't you Mr. Bootstraps? You are still making the same amount of money. Why do you care what other people make unless you desperately need to know you are being paid more than people you consider lesser than you?
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May 8, 2015 00:48
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Cole posted:Because they are 15 years old. Two things you loving retard. Most of the people working minimum wage are not 15. Second, if a laborer is competent enough to do their job, they are competent enough to earn the same wage as another laborer. Their age is irrelevant. Unless you want to argue that they don't need $15 an hour and shouldn't get paid it, in which case I can make the same argument for everyone making more than 80k a year. You do know some teenagers have to be breadwinners right?
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May 8, 2015 00:50
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Cole posted:Because nobody who has earned raises to get beyond minimum wage deserves to be stuck at minimum wage again. See there you go again. "Deserves to be stuck at". You're loving pathetic and it is goddamn hilarious.
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May 8, 2015 00:51
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Cole posted:
I notice you are refusing to answer the question. Is there something about your relationship with gourds you feel uncomfortable sharing with us?
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May 8, 2015 00:52
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Cole posted:yeah. the better your work, the more you are worth. that seems pretty logical. Oh so you were lying about being paid minimum wage even if it is a good wage affecting your self-esteem earlier? Cool
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May 8, 2015 00:54
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Cole posted:In a perfect world, you would take a baseline amount that it takes to live on (to cover rent, food, etc), increase it by a certain percentage (say 10%), and call that minimum wage. If you have a child that you are the primary care for, maybe you are eligible for a monthly stipend to help care for your kid. Okay, we don't live in a perfect world and people rabidly loving oppose this perfectly sensible and just policy, even amongst the Democrats. We could, possibly, after much struggle, raise the minimum wage.
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May 8, 2015 00:58
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Cole posted:The core of my argument has been about that guy who is already making $15/hour. You are undermining what that person has done for several years by sticking them back at minimum wage anyway. No, we understand that feeling and feel that it is a callow and shortsighted reaction that works against that persons best interests.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i don't understand where people are getting this $15 figure from. what we should do instead is figure out the average expenses for a family of four, and then calculate how much a person would need to be paid every hour for 40 hours, 52 weeks a year, in order to hit that target $15 an hour works out to $31,200 a year, which is okay but not great if you are the sole earner in a household with multiple dependents.
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