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 Everything dies. Including the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Despite attempts by the Illuminati to prevent it, the multiverse is no more. Various individuals and factions in the multiverse tried their best to stop the end of all there is. Throughout Jonathan Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers series, we're shown a series of incursions between the Marvel Universe and the infinite parallel universes, with the two connected universes being destroyed if nothing is done. They failed. This is the fictional story of 40-something alternate Earths picked to live in a Battleworld and have their lives drawn to find out what happens when heroes stop being polite and start getting real. Secret Wars. Key players: The Illuminati: Originally a small group of some of the Marvel Universe's most influential characters working behind the scenes to save Earth and the Universe from whatever threats they feel necessary. For a brief period they held the Infinity Gems, which have since been destroyed. The group has expanded and changed some since it was originally created years ago, but the core group of Reed Richards, Tony Stark, and Doctor Strange has stayed largely constant. Throughout the most recent New Avengers series, they worked to stop the series of incursions between their world and other universes. This led to a number of less-than-heroic actions to save their own planet. The Avengers: The latest version was started by Iron Man and Captain America as a machine to deal with threats greater than any of them could handle solo. It was actually created to distract Cap from the work of the Illuminati. Needless to say, he wasn't happy when he found out. SHIELD Avengers: At some point in the months after Cap and Iron Man split, SHIELD puts together their own team consisting of some of the Avengers Machine, and some other characters from the Marvel Universe. They're largely depicted hunting down the Illuminati. The Cabal: More or less the evil counterparts to the Illuminati, consisting of Thanos, Namor, Maximus, and some other various characters. They spend their time destroying incursion Earths without any remorse. The Ultimates: The Avengers of the Ultimate Universe, SHIELD sponsored. Ultimate Reed Richards: Like our Reed Richards, but without the moral compass. He did for his world what the Cabal did for ours, eventually allying with them in the final incursion. Dr. Doom: Throughout the whole Avengers/New Avengers story, we're told hints here and there about Rabam Alal, the Great Destroyer. His identity is shrouded in mystery until the very end when it's revealed that Dr. Doom traveled back in time after being warned that he can't win, but he can keep from losing. Key Reading (most recent volumes): Avengers #1-44 Avengers Annual #1 New Avengers #1-33 Infinity #1-6 Here is the complete reading list in order, courtesy of Redbackground. Okay, so what is this actually all about? Secret Wars is an 8-issue event miniseries starting in May 2015 spinning off the multi-year Avengers run by Jonathan Hickman and starting with the Ultimates invading the Marvel Universe. As part of this, Marvel is canceling nearly their entire line and replacing it with a number of miniseries and one-shot tie-ins. Abraham Lincoln put together a complete (as of July solicitations) listing here with the book they are replacing in the publishing schedule, where applicable. What do I actually have to read for this story? We won't really know until it's all over, but realistically, only the main miniseries will be essential. From there, check out anything that interests you based on the story or the creative team. Endless Mike fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 5, 2015 22:16
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May 5, 2015 22:42
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Just to hype you guys up a little more, Secret Wars #1 is REAL good. If you were at all disappointed with the end of Avengers this will make you feel much better. I can't wait for everyone to read it tomorrow.
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May 5, 2015 23:48
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Ok, can I get an honest poll here: raise your hand if you confused the Battleworld shenanigans with the DC Convergence ones and will probably continue to do so.
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May 6, 2015 01:52
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Even though it's tangentially a sequel to Secret Wars, this entire event is the kind of thing DC is reviled for constantly doing. The fact that they happen to be doing yet another one at the same time doesn't do much to discourage the comparisons.
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May 6, 2015 01:54
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Lurdiak posted:Even though it's tangentially a sequel to Secret Wars, this entire event is the kind of thing DC is reviled for constantly doing. The fact that they happen to be doing yet another one at the same time doesn't do much to discourage the comparisons. Yeah but Marvel tends to be way more competent than DC. I'm interested to see if they can do the continuity reset in a compelling way. The "constantly" is the key problem there.
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May 6, 2015 01:56
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*Superboy Prime punches through the DC multiverse event into the Marvel one* Oops.
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May 6, 2015 01:59
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DC is derided for doing multiple resets to fix continuity that nobody really cares about. The only thing Marvel has done that is close to that is really One More Day, which was derided for being a bad story. This isn't a reboot or a reset or any of those things. Also it's the result of a long term story and not something thrown together at the last minute. The only thing that's really probably going to change is stuff related to the Ultimate universe or other alternate universes seeping into the 616 universe we know. I don't know anything about Convergence because I've not paid any attention to it as I just don't care for the direction of most of the New 52 stuff I've read but to compare it to the last thing DC did in this realm I doubt we'll be seeing any sweeping negation of years of storylines for major characters here like what happened with the New 52.
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May 6, 2015 02:09
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Yeah, this is literally the first universe reset Marvel has ever done and they've been building up to it for quite a while.
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May 6, 2015 02:18
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah, this is literally the first universe reset Marvel has ever done and they've been building up to it for quite a while. Also isn't the DC a reboot so they can pay less attention to continuity? Like I don't mean that in a smart rear end way, didn't they actually say that?
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May 6, 2015 02:21
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah, this is literally the first universe reset Marvel has ever done and they've been building up to it for quite a while. Except it's not almost definitely not even going to be a reset. That's the point I think people keep missing. I mean they definitely want you to think it is. But it won't be. The fact that there are several titles that won't even tie in and other comments that Alonso has made about them not needing to fix or abandon their continuity. It's just going to be a fun giant crossover with a bunch of really weird alternate universe tie-ins. Which honestly I think is a bigger draw for me than the main series itself. I'm going to waste so much money on tie-ins here. It's like they created an event that caters directly to me as I love wacky alternate universe stories.
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May 6, 2015 02:24
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Deadpool posted:Except it's not almost definitely not even going to be a reset. That's the point I think people keep missing. I mean they definitely want you to think it is. But it won't be. The fact that there are several titles that won't even tie in and other comments that Alonso has made about them not needing to fix or abandon their continuity. It's just going to be a fun giant crossover with a bunch of really weird alternate universe tie-ins. Which honestly I think is a bigger draw for me than the main series itself. I'm going to waste so much money on tie-ins here. It's like they created an event that caters directly to me as I love wacky alternate universe stories. That said is there any way to salvage Old Man Logan? Everything else sounds so goddamn fun though. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 02:34 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 02:31
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Deadpool posted:Except it's not almost definitely not even going to be a reset. That's the point I think people keep missing. I mean they definitely want you to think it is. But it won't be. The fact that there are several titles that won't even tie in and other comments that Alonso has made about them not needing to fix or abandon their continuity. It's just going to be a fun giant crossover with a bunch of really weird alternate universe tie-ins. Which honestly I think is a bigger draw for me than the main series itself. I'm going to waste so much money on tie-ins here. It's like they created an event that caters directly to me as I love wacky alternate universe stories. Yeah its just basically the Age of Apocalypse, but for everyone.
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May 6, 2015 02:32
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zoux posted:Yeah but Marvel tends to be way more competent than DC. I'm interested to see if they can do the continuity reset in a compelling way. It would be the first time it's ever been accomplished. LORD OF BUTT posted:Yeah, this is literally the first universe reset Marvel has ever done and they've been building up to it for quite a while. Your first heart attack ain't better cuz your uncle's had 6.
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May 6, 2015 02:32
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Lurdiak posted:Your first heart attack ain't better cuz your uncle's had 6. Assume Marvel took Bayer during it.
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May 6, 2015 02:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah its just basically the Age of Apocalypse, but for everyone. I've been kind of wondering if this would be my kind of thing or not, but that description just sold me. I loving loved AoA. Oh god, are they going to fold some AoA stuff into the main universe?
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May 6, 2015 02:39
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I've been kind of wondering if this would be my kind of thing or not, but that description just sold me. Maybe it, look at number 3 on the map.
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May 6, 2015 03:12
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Oh god, are they going to fold some AoA stuff into the main universe? Have you read Uncanny X-Force?
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May 6, 2015 03:16
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Oh god, are they going to fold some AoA stuff into the main universe? So yes??
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May 6, 2015 03:20
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FilthyImp posted:Sugarman, Dark Beast and Holocaust made the jump ages ago. Blink, too.
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May 6, 2015 03:31
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What series are people looking forward to? I think A-Force, Thors, Carol Danvers and the Marvel Corp, AoA and X-Men 92 are what I'm excited about. I'm tangentially interested in Battleground 2099.
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May 6, 2015 04:05
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SalTheBard posted:What series are people looking forward to? I think A-Force, Thors, Carol Danvers and the Marvel Corp, AoA and X-Men 92 are what I'm excited about. I'm tangentially interested in Battleground 2099. Ms. Deadpool's Howling Commandos, A-Force, Thors, 1872, Runaways, Hail Hydra, Secret Wars Journal, Secret Wars Battleworld, Ultimate End, Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders, Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars, Planet Hulk, Squadron Sinister, Weirdworld, Infinity Gauntlet and Hank Johnson Agent of Hydra. But I'll probably end up reading at least the first issue of most if not all of them. The ones I'm least interested in would be any of the X-Men ones probably. X-O fucked around with this message at 04:50 on May 6, 2015 |
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May 6, 2015 04:48
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Gotta check solicits again because there's just so much stuff but what i'm interested in are: Ghost Racers, Ms. Deadpool's Howling Commandos, A-Force, Thors, Runaways, Secret Wars: Battleworld, Civil War, Spider-Island, Captain Britain & The Mighty Defenders, Giant-Size Little Marvels: AVX, Infinity Gauntlet, Secret Wars 2099 and Spider-verse.
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May 6, 2015 05:15
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I've updated my list of all the Secret Wars series. I added in new series announced for July, added creative teams, and re-jiggered the layout. If you're trying to decide which books to pick-up, I hope you find it helpful: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B7dL9vj-wYwg1zR9CBKWecD5jiTIrWGLuZp1fELLF1g/edit?usp=sharing
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May 6, 2015 05:28
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gfanikf posted:That said is there any way to salvage Old Man Logan? I thought Old Man Logan was cool.  I mean, it's definitely got its problems don't get me wrong, but there's a lot there I like. ...Now that I think about it it's probably the only thing of Millar's I've ever liked.
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May 6, 2015 06:24
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Deadpool posted:Except it's not almost definitely not even going to be a reset. That's the point I think people keep missing. I mean they definitely want you to think it is. But it won't be. The fact that there are several titles that won't even tie in and other comments that Alonso has made about them not needing to fix or abandon their continuity. It's just going to be a fun giant crossover with a bunch of really weird alternate universe tie-ins. Which honestly I think is a bigger draw for me than the main series itself. I'm going to waste so much money on tie-ins here. It's like they created an event that caters directly to me as I love wacky alternate universe stories. Okay, a continuity cleanup, whatever.
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May 6, 2015 07:14
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Deadpool posted:The ones I'm least interested in would be any of the X-Men ones probably. E For Extinction, Bruv!
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May 6, 2015 07:22
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Okay, a continuity cleanup, whatever. It's probably going to barely even be that. It'll be the mercy-killing of the Ultimate line, a few storylines "resolved" so characters can come back to "normal" (Steve Rogers, a Wolverine, maybe The Watcher or Old Man Fury), and a launching platform for a few attempts at new ongoings. If I had to put money on that only thing that I think will get quietly erased it'll be Black Fury and he'll be replaced by Black Fury because no one cares about Black Fury when you can get the real deal with Black Fury. Meanwhile I'll be shocked if if Thor goes male or Captain Falcon gets demoted. Maybe a few characters will move forward in time, assuming they haven't already (Punisher and Black Widow being Vietnam and 80s cold war).
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May 6, 2015 07:38
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SalTheBard posted:What series are people looking forward to? I think A-Force, Thors, Carol Danvers and the Marvel Corp, AoA and X-Men 92 are what I'm excited about. I'm tangentially interested in Battleground 2099. Hail Hydra, 1602: Witch Hunter Angela, Mrs. Deadpool and the Howling Commandos, Korvac Saga, Infinity Guantlet, Secret Wars 2099, A-Force, 1872, Future Imperfect, Siege. I'll probably check out Ghost Racers too because "multiple Ghost Riders!!"
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May 6, 2015 10:41
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I'll probably give everything at least a once issue chance, but that's because I usually get all my comics from a code seller for $2 each (even stuff like Deadpool 250) so ymmv.
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May 6, 2015 10:49
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I'm kind of surprised they set aside a section of Battleworld for Doctor Strange and yet he hasn't get his own book. On a related note, anyone noticed Mightygodking (of 'I Should Write Doctor Strange' fame) hasn't been posting on his site lately?  As for me: I'll try out Renew Your Vows, Get Spider-Island (I'm there for the MC2 stories above all, though), A-Force, Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders, Secret Wars 2099, Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars, Thors, X-Men '92, and Captain Marvel. Plus I'll keep getting Ms. Marvel & the other books carrying on/doing Last Days I'm already reading.
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May 6, 2015 11:06
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Senor Candle posted:Just to hype you guys up a little more, Secret Wars #1 is REAL good. If you were at all disappointed with the end of Avengers this will make you feel much better. I can't wait for everyone to read it tomorrow. Refreshing my mailbox frantically for that comixology subscription notice to show up hours early.
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May 6, 2015 12:05
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PelvicNerve posted:drat, you sold me on it. Why Marvel, why can't you release at midnight?
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May 6, 2015 12:45
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I hope secret messages are just as important this time:
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May 6, 2015 13:04
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Now that it's out, I really loved the little Punisher moment. He got to die doing what he loved. I think the story at the "end" of Avengers suffered a little bit because of how self reliant(?) they needed to make Secret Wars. Like this issue had the actual conclusion to a lot of stuff, but it also really sets up the series going forward, so it had to be in Secret Wars. Hickman has also said that by issue 2, it will be much more clear how things are going to go forward.
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May 6, 2015 13:42
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Abraham Lincoln posted:I've updated my list of all the Secret Wars series. I added in new series announced for July, added creative teams, and re-jiggered the layout. As for what I'm interested in... Hail Hydra** Ghost Racers** 1602: Witch Hunter Angela* Korvac Saga Ultimate End Infinity Gauntlet Secret Wars 2099** Thors* Loki: Agent of Asgard* Giant Size Little Marvel: AVX Runaways** Weirdworld E is for Extinction A-Force Future Imperfect** Years of Future Past X-Men '92 Siege** Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders Where Monsters Dwell Secret Wars Howard the Duck* The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl* Daredevil* *Stuff I'm either currently reading or replacing something I'm currently reading. **Stuff I'll probably skip if a week is looking particularly heavy. I'm going to try to stick to 4-5 new books a week, which already seems like a lot of added money.
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May 6, 2015 13:49
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Random question, so what happens to the afterlife since they are all according to their own universes? No more or are they beyond that?
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May 6, 2015 13:57
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Haven and Hel got incursion'd at some point, I assume.
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The Biggest Jerk posted:Random question, so what happens to the afterlife since they are all according to their own universes? No more or are they beyond that? Well the Beyonders apparently killed God/The Living Tribunal, so it guess it no longer exists!
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