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temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet
Nerd culture isn't about nerds or culture. Because we live in the age of irony, calling someone a casual enthusiast isn't possible. So we call them nerds. I read /tg/ and /pol/ and most of it is regurgitation and misinformation. They are reactionaries and don't understand the subjects of their fascination. They just want to belong to a larger group. Occasionally, someone that actually read Warhammer books or knows the rules to their table top games posts on /tg/ and you can actually learn from them. Mostly, 4chan consists of people half remembering what another idiot told them or reacting to outsiders. /pol/ doesn't understand politics and probably never studied Nazis or national socialism as much as they ironically praise it. Its funny to watch them repeat myths and watch it spiral into an alternative reality (i.e. DnD edition wars or the Mike Brown and Walter Scott shootings). It is all reactionaries and no different than Infowars or Glen Beck.

I think GamerGate ruined something that should have been addressed which is most people want to identify as something but they don't learn about it. When people say "Girls aren't gamers", there is sexism in it however, there are many people (regardless of sex) who identify as gamers but only play 2-3 games tops. There are people who love the Marvel Universe movies and never read a comic. People that love Star Wars and never read the books. They aren't posers as much as in denial about their station as regular mundane media consumers. Calling people casual internet users sounds like their parents so they are nerds now to differentiate. I'm skeptical of nerd culture and fandoms because it seems like marketing teams have integrated sites like reddit and imgur into their promotion strategies.

The definition of a nerd is someone who learns about something to the point of obsession. But they actually know something. Simply loving something is just being a fan.

temple fucked around with this message at 07:32 on May 15, 2015

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temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Bicyclops posted:

What, functionally, is the difference between "mundane media consumers" and someone who delves more deeply into the medium in question? We're all "regular mundane media consumers," regardless of whether we're just watching Scandal or listening to Doctor Who audio dramas. All of it is "mundane media." What "should have been addressed" about this supposed menace?

As bad as 8chan is, the offsite SA reject Nazi forum is a million times worse. GBS is also pretty bad these days.
People who occasionally or shallowly engage media and have a lot of opinions vs someone who devotes time/money/personal effort in their particular fandom.

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Bicyclops posted:

The first thing is not at all worth caring about as a "problem," and it doesn't matter if that person who has only seen the movies wants to call him/herself a "fan" or a "Star Wars person" or whatever. "Fake geekhood" is not a real problem. The actions taken by people who perceive others to be "fake geeks," on the other hand, is.
There is two side to fake geekhood. There are people that temporarily fall in love with a thing and then drift away. Then there is the 4chan type of fake geek that isn't invested in the subject at hand and just want a (or any) community to accept them. The latter can be dangerous because they aren't really interested in the topic but want to derail and monopolize the attention for themselves. True blue fans or nerds are more inclusive IMO and the idea that gamers hate girls is baffling to me. A girl gamer is the ultimate fantasy for nerds or gamers. Its more of the casual, social members around a particular fandom that introduces the poisonous aspects. And it could be because inclusiveness leads to a loss of identity and control by the previous members.

However, 4chan is a special case in that the internet was a predominantly white male thing originally. So, they are legitimately invested in the exclusivity of their community over the topics therein. I have a theory that the first wave of a community is always the most regressive and has to be purged for the community to really define itself.

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