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Woolie Wool posted:The unmoderated hivemind nature of *chan type sites causes the groups with the largest social capital to easily dominate the conversation due to their outsized influence and weight of social consensus, the real outcasts are forced out, the bros assume control of the hivemind, and the community becomes one with the Brog Collective. Hmm, how awful. Good thing that would never happen here.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:How do you explain fanfiction then? People back in the 1970s were rewriting Star Trek to be about a romance between Kirk and Spock. I don't think that was Paramount imposing its marketing plan from the outside. And fastforward to today, when fanfiction is actively driving corporate product - that seems like the opposite of what you're describing. If nerd culture is all just top-down marketing, then where did this come from? Was I Love Lucy really the definitional "nerd culture" show? Because I'm pretty sure that it was popular with everyone.
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May 14, 2015 11:43
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Merdifex posted:And they do, /v/ and it's diaspora became the bastion for anti-feminism and reactionary beliefs within the context of gamers and the games industry. And the havoc they've wrought doesn't need to be mentioned. You say that like its a bad thing? Their free culture is more vibrant and alive than SA's, and as a consequence is now a brighter light for the internet and larger producer of content. Many very funny people I run into in other places online will say that they used to be goons or used to read the front page but stopped because of the bullshit. Since SA is a place which seems to poo poo on "out there" stuff people with interesting things to say go to other places to say them.
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May 14, 2015 23:26
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Merdifex posted:It is quite a bad thing. Defining a community by it's output of memes is pointless when you don't even consider the cultural context which produced said content. 4chan being a crucible of bigotry and self-loathing cannot be ignored. I think the content comes from the anonymity. Without a name the worst you can do, when you try something out, is fail at it. On SA people will follow you around dragging it up or give you a BRCT or just get real creepy about it.* So 4chan gets more content and most of it is worthless and forgotten within a day but enough lives on that it dwarfs SA's stuff. I've been part of small traditional (so SA-like rather than 4chan-like) forums before that have been amazing- you could post basically whatever you wanted there as long as it was within the bounds of the discussion and you wouldn't get poo poo. People might argue or downvote but ultimately discussion was judged by other members based on the merit of the posts rather than who was part of the in crowd or what other people were saying about it. These forums all lost that aspect as they grew and louder, less talented members moved in and started basing things on people's reputations rather than on what was actually being posted. I think the chans get around that with anonymity, you can't form cults of personality or hate a post based solely on who wrote it because you can't tell who the other users are from thread to thread. *Seriously, SA is far creepier to individuals than 4chan is because channers are typically at least funny about it. Compare something like 4chan loving with Ben Garrison to Dubie's Doghouse. With Ben there's him making unintentionally funny legal threats, his continued reaction to obvious photoshops and more, with Dubie its what, him buying an oven fan?
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May 15, 2015 00:00
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Nintendo Kid posted:If being made fun of hurts your feelings so much why are you still here? You a masochist or something? I dunno, why are you here fishmech? The whole loving place hates you. Seriously, you literally made the list not once but twice. Your name is a verb used to describe the negative practice of actually responding to the poo poo that comes out of your keyboard.
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May 15, 2015 00:04
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I think its worse for a community to have its own members shamed like that. Having things done to outsiders does not affect the community in a negative way. Thats the difference, since 4chan usually pisses out of its tent people inside feel safe to try new ideas. Since SA pisses on its own members they don't.
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May 15, 2015 00:07
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Woolie Wool posted:So it's OK to ruin the lives of people outside the community who speak up against its awful behavior but it's deplorable to merely make fun of someone who acts like a jackass inside the community? Our discussion was on why 4chan produces more, and better content. Meriflex said that he didn't think that the "reprehensible morality" of 4chan is what made it so good at producing content. I expanded on that by saying that the anonymity was what made it so good. Then went on to say that small forums with user names and post counts and such can get around that but after a certain point they are no longer able to. But if you want to talk about ruining lives... Do you think its OK to ruin people's lives with stuff like this or the lady who lost her job because she made that AIDS joke a few years ago? Because the way a lot of people on SA post all of that is acceptable, as long as its going after targets or behaviors they don't like. Normally when I post this here someone will reply with something to the effect of, "ruining lives is good, when people who are racists/homophobes/MRAs/whatever are the ones being ruined." Nobody ever calls that person out. Its all two sides of the same coin.
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May 15, 2015 00:17
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Crowsbeak posted:Was Ben Garrison the Ron Paul Fanboy who had all of his cartoons turned into nazi propaganda? Yes. Latest is channers spamming Fox News coverage of the Baltimore riots with stuff about him and the news anchors trying to figure it out on air with mentions about him being some sort of anti-semitic cartoonist.
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May 15, 2015 04:12
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