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I think this would be a good thread to talk about nerd culture in general, because most/all of the issues with 4chan are shared with the wider nerd "community" as a whole
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May 14, 2015 01:59
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BigRed0427 posted:Some topics I think that might be worth discussing: The answer to all these questions is basically the same and is that nerds are fundamentally reactionaries, reacting to the fact that nobody but them gives a poo poo about their cherished pieces of media. Much the same way that social conservatives are fighting to preserve the patriarchal, white supremacist world they love so much, nerds fight to preserve the children's media landscape of when they were 12 years old, forever. Of course, this reactionsim tends to predispose them to other kinds of reactionism like sexism, racism, etc. The relationship between different kinds of reactionism and an analysis of its true nature is sort of beyond my expertise, but basically nerds are cut from the same fundamental cloth as Rush Limbaugh. quote:-The limits of free speech I think as long as child porn is actively policed there's not a lot of real world harm from these places. Stuff happens like the pseudo-lynchmob on reddit during the Boston bombings sending death threats to random Arab-looking people on facebook, and that should be cracked down on hard, but I don't think these sites need to be taken down completely or anonymity removed or anything.
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May 14, 2015 02:13
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StandardVC10 posted:So it's 4chan with more piracy? More child porn
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May 14, 2015 02:13
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Was nerddom always like this? Like back during the 90s, was nerd more associated with academic achievement rather than being way too into some fandom? I think I remember some sociology papers back then outlining how nerds were on average much more socially progressive than today. What gave? I think it's very important to distinguish nerddom from education/intellectualism. They're really not the same thing at all, the only real connection is that people bad at athletics and social interaction are overrepresented in both because athletics and social interaction as areas of achievement are closed off to them. Basically nerddom in the genre fiction sense has always been this bad, yeah. You can go back to Tolkien and the dude was a reactionary pining for how great it was to be an aristocrat in Old England. Heinlein was basically a fascist with a bunch of weird fetishes he shoved in his books and that was in the 60s. Orson Scott Card is awful too. You can look through Usenet archives back into the 70s and its basically the same as 4chan today, moderated only by the fact it was controlled by universities. Richard Stallman and the other open source pioneers are all gross creeps and bigots, Stallman in particular has essays on his personal site to this day defending sex with children if they consent to it. Comic books are the same, Frank Miller's also a borderline fascist who writes screeds about how Muslims are untermenschen, Maybe I'm being harsh here, I don't know how much further right nerd culture is from the general public, if at all, but I'm pretty confident that it was never ever left of it. If you think of nerds as outside of the cultural mainstream, there's no reason to think they would be any less right-wing than that mainstream, plus more because of the reaction to persecution. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 14, 2015 02:39
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Cakebaker posted:What I reckon would be interesting is knowing sort of what the turnover is within these cultures. At a place like SA there are obviously a lot of long timers and it very much shows that the climate and culture of the site has grown with its members, especially somewhere like D&D. More adult and less nerdy, some parts excluded obviously. Consciously self-identified nerdiness is a sort of identity politics thing, which is rallied around in a right wing reactionary sense. Simply consuming non-mainstream media doesn't make you a nerd, the self-identification is the key step. I almost feel like hipster/alternative/twee subculture and grognard/4chan culture are two sides of the same coin, one being a leftist manifestation and the other a rightist
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May 14, 2015 03:00
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