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StandardVC10 posted:I forget what 8chan does. I do know that if it's a number other than 4, it's probably something that was kicked out of 4chan, which doesn't usually lead to good things. The original 8chan was founded when 4chan finally enforced "absolutely no child porn, seriously, we're working with the fbi now". Most of the admins of the original 8chan ended up in jail. The new 8chan is gamergaters who think 4chan is too "sjw" for making fun of them whining about women and video games all day. Of course your Cliff Racer types praise the first manifestation as freedom. Jerry Manderbilt posted:Was nerddom always like this? Like back during the 90s, was nerd more associated with academic achievement rather than being way too into some fandom? I think I remember some sociology papers back then outlining how nerds were on average much more socially progressive than today. What gave? I find those papers suspect, if for no other reason than the fact you can still go and browse the entire usenet text archives, vast message base dumps from BBSes and early forums, and even just many straight up older websites. And the nerds on there were often as not little proto-stormfronters or other such nastys. And that's to say nothing of the sorta things you might see in fanzines, physical mailing lists (yes nerds did that) or straight up cons, especially more local ones. Perhaps those papers were only surveying smaller segments, since after all it was a lot harder to get a comprehensive view of the internet, let alone "nerddom" as a whole, then despite being much smaller?
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Cliff Racer posted:I think the content comes from the anonymity. Without a name the worst you can do, when you try something out, is fail at it. On SA people will follow you around dragging it up or give you a BRCT or just get real creepy about it.* So 4chan gets more content and most of it is worthless and forgotten within a day but enough lives on that it dwarfs SA's stuff. I've been part of small traditional (so SA-like rather than 4chan-like) forums before that have been amazing- you could post basically whatever you wanted there as long as it was within the bounds of the discussion and you wouldn't get poo poo. People might argue or downvote but ultimately discussion was judged by other members based on the merit of the posts rather than who was part of the in crowd or what other people were saying about it. These forums all lost that aspect as they grew and louder, less talented members moved in and started basing things on people's reputations rather than on what was actually being posted. I think the chans get around that with anonymity, you can't form cults of personality or hate a post based solely on who wrote it because you can't tell who the other users are from thread to thread. If being made fun of hurts your feelings so much why are you still here? You a masochist or something?
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Cliff Racer posted:I dunno, why are you here fishmech? The whole loving place hates you. Seriously you keep whining about how tough it is that you can't make racist jokes on SA (that's what everyone who says "well uh you can just be freer on 4chan maaaan" means after all) without getting made fun of, what's your problem?
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May 15, 2015 00:06
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Cliff Racer posted:I think its worse for a community to have its own members shamed like that. Having things done to outsiders does not affect the community in a negative way. Thats the difference, since 4chan usually pisses out of its tent people inside feel safe to try new ideas. Since SA pisses on its own members they don't. Ah yes all those original ideas like: Also again you deserve to be shamed repeatedly because your posting would generally trip the r9k bot.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I hate that we're using old usenet discussions to paint a history of nerds being bad, Yo try reading the whole paragraph next time. I specifically went into way more than just usenet there. Cliff Racer posted:Our discussion was on why 4chan produces more, and better content. Well that's a short one, it doesn't. Unless you just time traveled from like 2005.
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Merdifex posted:I'd like to point out that I don't think there's any way to quantify and as such empirically compare the content outputs of different internet communities, so stating that this or that community produces "more and better content" is pure supposition. I'd say it did do it to an outscale amount for a short time, but quickly reverted to the mean of all large internet communities in general. It's not like their fault of course, any place that has a burst of good stuff is going to attract a lot of, shall we say, less innovative people in who can't really contribute in the same way.
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Merdifex posted:The whole "MLG pro-gamer montage 420 sik n0sk0pe" aesthetic videos you see on youtube, and the stills from said videos on other social media sites, all come from /v/, and frankly has become much bigger than /v/ itself Didn't that kinda die off years ago? The pinnacle was March 3, 2012 after all.
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Merdifex posted:That was just the first phase of it. The new ones have air horns, doge etc. The airhorns started in 2012, doge is just a dying gasp even less relevant than dogecoin itself currently is. You're like That Guy who was still really into grunge in 2001. pacmania90 posted:What happened on March 3rd? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJHrmliVQw
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Looks like you weren't hip to the real noscope video vibe as much as I was back then. 
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Bedlamdan posted:it's like the bad thread that did nothing good was deleted hint hint Your posting being bad isn't so much a hint as it is an overwhelming odor.
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It'd be funny as poo poo if for like 36 hours, with no warning, 4chan activated a filter that banned anyone who typed a common racial slur for like a month.
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May 15, 2015 03:08
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Popular Thug Drink posted:This could be an interesting discussion about how internet communities police themselves if people would stop getting personally offended when 4chan's honor is questioned Now now, most of them are just getting offended at the very idea that people really dislike them personally, and how unfair it is that people can remember other people's past.
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May 15, 2015 04:19
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SunAndSpring posted:I just think people here exaggerate a lot about sites they don't post on. Not really mad, though. You have weird ideas of what sites people post on, I think.
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May 15, 2015 04:39
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SunAndSpring posted:Yeah, it's what I said. Bringing up anything political like race relations, gender, etc. breaks the illusion because, obviously, not everybody fits in the typical 4chan poster archetype. Still, it's pretty nice when it works. Existing as someone who isn't this guy:  Apparently political.
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May 15, 2015 05:12
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Tin Soldier posted:Every other board on the internet is laughing at you dorks right now. Wow who knew every other board on the internet had literally nothing better to do than read a thread with like 5 people posting in it? I thought they were full of fresh content because you can say, uh, things more freely??
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May 15, 2015 05:19
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SunAndSpring posted:Maybe I'm not explaining my position well. I don't think it's right or good that you can't just off-handedly mention "I'm a lady" or something and not get poo poo for it on 4chan. I just think that it's the closest you can get to real equal footing currently. Unless SunAndSpring is in fact your full legal name I don't really see how this board isn't really anonymous as well. Hell it's long standing knowledge here that many people have multiple accounts or share accounts with each other. To say nothing of how on a lot of other forums out there, while you can choose to register, guest posting is often allowed, or registration is mandatory but completely free so nothing stops people really having tons of accounts.
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May 15, 2015 05:31
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SunAndSpring posted:To be honest, I'm beginning to think even the whole "equal footing" thing I was talking about doesn't really work. People are still jockeying for the attention and adulation you get for saying "right" opinions there, it's just usually tied to one thread than an entire posting history. Maybe I've just got an idealized concept of what I want anonymous posting to be. The thing is, it works but only in certain situations. Usually it's like, the very small minor chans where there's a few hundred actual posters at most. At 4chan's scale or even like 420chan's scale, it simply doesn't work anymore.
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May 15, 2015 05:59
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Venom Snake posted:I think the reason 4chan is looked down upon on SA as it was literally created to be the exact opposite of SA in every way. The site itself is a reaction to the popularity of named account forums that were popular in the 2000's. No, moot created it because he wanted an English language 2chan of his own to post about anime on. I realize you were like 7 at the time, but some of us were actually there with him when it started and frankly he wasn't even the first, he was just marginally more competent and picked a better domain name than a lot of others. Back in the day being able to easily host images right with a post, for free? That was a huge thing especially with image uploading sites being often unreliable and cumbersome.
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Venom Snake posted:Part of the appeal of 2chan was anonymity. And while I might not have been around at the time I know enough that name-account sites like SA were super popular, and also had a base of users who didn't like it. You can't really ignore the founding of 4chan without looking at the context on which it was made. Dog I was in the context of when it was made and only a year younger than Moot himself. You don't really grasp the context at all, pseudonymous standing forums that weren't usenet or usenet gateways were still practically brand new for most of the internet. Social networks barely existed, and even people who used them often couldn't say, take pictures to go with them because poo poo man, digital cameras were still kinda expensive and cumbersome. You're reading way too much into the anonymity thing from the context of a world where people have pictures of their whole lives online on some sites and complete anonymity on others. Being able to host your anime pictures right with your posts right there was more than half the draw of thing, seriously. The whole anonymous-as-identity thing took quite some time to really catch on.
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