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Ponsonby Britt
Mar 13, 2006
I think you mean, why is there silverware in the pancake drawer? Wassup?

Fried Chicken posted:

No, it doesn't. Sports culture is organic, it grows, creates, and reshapes, and has evolved over thousands of years. It has laws and social structures. Changes to it come from the interactions of those within it. "Nerd culture" doesn't, the new things are handed to it from the outside, with the outside selling them on what their new direction will be. It isn't people developing a way it interact, it is their way of interacting being marketed to them. There is no law of social structure, a key part of this is that there is no method to clamp down on a misbehaving member - that's a result of the fact that the structure comes from the outside. It is a consumer demographic. More than that, "nerd culture" is aggressively, violently hostile to any attempt to do anything new coming from within it. The whole reason we are talking about it is because when some of the members of it started to interact in new ways, like acknowledging that they were anything but straight white males, they started getting rape threats, death threats, and attempts on their lives.

How do you explain fanfiction then? People back in the 1970s were rewriting Star Trek to be about a romance between Kirk and Spock. I don't think that was Paramount imposing its marketing plan from the outside. And fastforward to today, when fanfiction is actively driving corporate product - that seems like the opposite of what you're describing. If nerd culture is all just top-down marketing, then where did this come from?

I also think that nerd culture's marginal status sometimes cuts in favor of its capacity for progress. Cultural gatekeepers can control the commanding heights of the media landscape, but they can't control (or don't bother to notice) the margins, so marginalized groups can use those spaces to push the broader culture in a progressive direction. The first interracial kiss on TV wasn't on The Tonight Show, or Mary Tyler Moore, or Gunsmoke, or Perry Mason. It was on the definitional "nerd culture" show. And there are other examples - Delany, le Guin, Iain Banks, Paul Verhoeven, Joss Whedon, Alan Moore, Octavia Butler... Progress is baked into nerd DNA just as surely as reaction is.

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