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Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

VDay posted:

I always just kind of figured that was more for lore reasons than pure gameplay, and I think it's kind of neat. It reinforces the whole preparation aspect of Witchers to show that they'd be willing to lug two big heavy swords around just for the sake of having a more appropriate weapon in a fight.

I don't think he's saying there shouldn't be two swords. I think he's wondering if there will just be one button to draw your weapon and the game automatically draws whichever is appropriate for the fight. It kind of already did this in TW2, though, in that if you didn't already have a weapon out Geralt would automatically draw whichever was appropriate when combat started. I think that mechanic is good enough. You might want to draw a different sword for some reason or need to switch in combat, especially in an open world game.

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Utnayan posted:

I am sorry but can you explain this conspiracy theory when two developers of the game already admitted as such?

You not understanding the technical and visual aspects of game development over a 3 year period is not CDPR's fault.

Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.
Man I still enjoy playing Morrowind and that game looks like poo poo

incorporeal
May 6, 2006

Daric posted:

Man I still enjoy playing Morrowind and that game looks like poo poo

well it's probably because you worked on the game or viral marketing you sheep shill. follow the money

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

1stGear posted:

You not understanding the technical and visual aspects of game development over a 3 year period is not CDPR's fault.

What I don't understand is that in many cases it's clearly the same assets that were shown in those early trailers, but a couple of particle effects are toned down and the color grading is different.

Daric
Dec 23, 2007

Shawn:
Do you really want to know my process?

Lassiter:
Absolutely.

Shawn:
Well it starts with a holla! and ends with a Creamsicle.

Roshnak posted:

What I don't understand is that in many cases it's clearly the same assets that were shown in those early trailers, but a couple of particle effects are toned down and the color grading is different.

Probably because in that first trailer they were filming only that one scene but in the later stuff they had to render the whole game world

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

1stGear posted:

You not understanding the technical and visual aspects of game development over a 3 year period is not CDPR's fault.

You not understanding how the game was developed and ran on technology today that most have, in that fashion to advance graphic fidelity, on a development cycle that started well passed 4 years ago on DX9, incorporated tesselation with water reflection at 50 FPS on even a 970 on DX11 change over, (on an i2500k at 4.2 Ghz on an Evo 212 to boot), yet cut for triple platform development, being one thing, is fine. Not telling your customer base about it, and it only becoming known when a developer leaks it a day ago with videos that have been deleted from youtube, while a major manufacturer relishes the fact that their sales will go up based on the need for that greater graphic fidelity that won't exist? ? *IS* CDPR's fault.

Utnayan fucked around with this message at 06:12 on May 16, 2015

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

From the footage i've seen so far from reviews, the game is really pretty looking. The people getting upset about this are retarded piss babies. :)

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Utnayan posted:

Not telling your customer base about it, and it only becoming known when a developer leaks it a day ago with videos that have been deleted from youtube? *IS* CDPR's fault.

I am sorry that you have someone missed the massive marketing blitz CDPR has done for this game over the past few weeks that has included multiple trailers, letting YouTube personalities play the game and record it, and lifting the review embargo a week early. Perhaps if you had seen all of that, it would have given you an idea of the visual fidelity of this game.

Suran37
Feb 28, 2009

Lord Lambeth posted:

Please put Utnayan on your ignore list.

Why? He'll be banned again soon enough.

Lava Lamp Goddess
Feb 19, 2007

What do you want, a big text wall from CDPR explaining how development works and how stuff gets changed all the time in development due to stability, etc? Do you want a bullet point list of every single change they had to make since development began about things that got dropped or ended up not 100% as planned? That's insane.

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

Close this thread, and go back to the other one. It seemed a little more focused.

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

Daric posted:

Probably because in that first trailer they were filming only that one scene but in the later stuff they had to render the whole game world

Oh, yeah, I understand why it looks different. There are a bunch of reasons, and one of them is that it's easier to light a staged scene than it is make sure an open world game looks super cool and cinematic from every angle in every lighting condition.

What I meant was that I've even read some stuff from people in this thread who either don't care or don't think there was a downgrade saying that certain screenshots look worse or cartoony or something, and to me it mostly just looks like the color correction is different.

It seems like a lot of people are using "downgrade" as code for "I don't like the artistic choices that were made."

Roshnak fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 16, 2015

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
Thanks Orv.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Spikeguy posted:

Close this thread, and go back to the other one. It seemed a little more focused.

The arguing will just shift over there and it will all end anyway when the game releases and we actually have something to talk about.

megalodong
Mar 11, 2008

Igni does not melt steel beams, Comte "hussein" obama, if that is your real name...

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Seriously, this is the last forum I would expect to get upset over what is a very minor downgrade. Witcher 3's so called downgrade isn't even close to as bad as what happened to Watch_Dogs.

I said come in! fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 16, 2015

Archimago
Jun 18, 2014

I just want to nom on Merrill
First they came for the Tesselation, and I did not speak out—
Because I could live with that.
Then they came for the Ambient Occlusion, and I did not speak out—
Because I own a GTX 360.
Then they came for the Volume Based Translucency, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not entirely sure what was.
Then they came for the polygons—and there was no game left to play.

:rip: Gaming 1972-2015

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

1stGear posted:

The arguing will just shift over there and it will all end anyway when the game releases and we actually have something to talk about.

Only ~67 hours of downgrade talk to go!

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Maybe is inevitable; threads about games that are released a week or less away always turn into some kind of poo poo.

edit: is the thread title a reference to this argument? If so, what's the rest of it mean?

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007
So, is there any reason to buy this on GOG instead of Steam? Because Steam is giving me a bigger discount.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

1stGear posted:

I am sorry that you have someone missed the massive marketing blitz CDPR has done for this game over the past few weeks that has included multiple trailers, letting YouTube personalities play the game and record it, and lifting the review embargo a week early. Perhaps if you had seen all of that, it would have given you an idea of the visual fidelity of this game.

Maybe you missed that fact that all of those were PS4 copies. Didn't you get the memo in viral?

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

I said come in! posted:

Seriously, this is the last forum I would expect to get upset over what is a very minor downgrade. Witcher 3's so called downgrade isn't even close to as bad as what happened to Watch_Dogs.

I would gladly show you the difference. But the youtube video showing that has mysteriously turned into a static TV set.

Oh here is the URL link. Which is now deleted.

]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cn-ekHLqEY

Here is the thread where it first came up.

http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?1499-Witcher-3/page40



Utnayan fucked around with this message at 06:35 on May 16, 2015

Karrahad
Nov 4, 2010

Utnayan posted:

I would gladly show you the difference. But the youtube video showing that has mysteriously turned into a static TV set.

Because the people making that poo poo have realised their error. :smuggo:

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Karrahad posted:

Because the people making that poo poo have realised their error. :smuggo:

:trainwreck:

Kimmalah
Nov 14, 2005

Basically just a baby in a trenchcoat.


So I'm out of town at the moment and don't really know my PC's specs off the top of my head, but I was able to run Witcher 2 on it with no issues. Even with the downgrade is Witcher 3 going to be so much more intensive than 2 that my machine bursts into flames? I'd rather not have to go out and get a new console just for this, but it's one of the few games that would motivate me.

(Sorry to interrupt the arguing)

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Utnayan posted:

Maybe you missed that fact that all of those were PS4 copies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv0gJ8DpUd0

This is the same dude who posted your smoking gun interview so do you trust that he played it on PC?

quote:

Didn't you get the memo in viral?

Arguing on the Internet protip: accusing people who disagree with you of being paid shills will never not make you look like a crazy person.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

1stGear posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv0gJ8DpUd0

This is the same dude who posted your smoking gun interview so do you trust that he played it on PC?


Arguing on the Internet protip: accusing people who disagree with you of being paid shills will never not make you look like a crazy person.

I guess neither does deleting the evidence on youtube.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Utnayan posted:

I guess neither does deleting the evidence on youtube.
I don't know if anyone's actually accepted your argument yet, but I don't think it's from lack of knowing that a video was deleted from youtube.

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

Kimmalah posted:

So I'm out of town at the moment and don't really know my PC's specs off the top of my head, but I was able to run Witcher 2 on it with no issues. Even with the downgrade is Witcher 3 going to be so much more intensive than 2 that my machine bursts into flames? I'd rather not have to go out and get a new console just for this, but it's one of the few games that would motivate me.

(Sorry to interrupt the arguing)

What is your spec? Given the new evidence I would hardly think that recommended specs would be a GTX 770 and an i5 unless you had 9 pop ups of live porn going at the same time.

With the new info, you will be fine with a 570/670 and 4 gb Ram and set it to high settings.

Archimago
Jun 18, 2014

I just want to nom on Merrill
So in TW3 do you guys think Emyhr will be called "The White Flame Dancing on the Barrows of his Enemies" or "The White Flame Dancing on the Graves of his Enemies"?

Personally, I think the former is cooler and more poetic but maybe they'll change it so console simpletons don't have to Google the word barrow?

Thoughts?

e. Typing is hard.

Archimago fucked around with this message at 06:45 on May 16, 2015

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Utnayan posted:

I guess neither does deleting the evidence on youtube.

Nope, nope, nope, don't wiggle away from this. So is the footage recorded and released with CDPR's authorization by docm77 PC gameplay and therefore indicative of the platform's graphics or not? I would like to point out that he claimed it was running at 60 FPS, which the PS4 isn't and should be very important to a graphics hound like you. Which makes it odd that you claim you would have rather gotten the game on PS4 if you had only known about this terrible downgrade.

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

Archimago posted:

So in TW3 do you guys think Emyhr will be called "The White Flame Dancing on the Barrows of his Enemies" or "The White Flamce Dancing on the Graves of his Enemies"?

Personally, I think the former is cooler and more poetic but maybe they'll change it so console simpletons don't have to Google the word barrow?

Thoughts?

I think I'd be more concerned about people needing to look up the word flamce than barrow.

I also think Flamce sounds way more poetic.

Roshnak fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 16, 2015

Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

1stGear posted:

Nope, nope, nope, don't wiggle away from this. So is the footage recorded and released with CDPR's authorization by docm77 PC gameplay and therefore indicative of the platform's graphics or not? I would like to point out that he claimed it was running at 60 FPS, which the PS4 isn't and should be very important to a graphics hound like you. Which makes it odd that you claim you would have rather gotten the game on PS4 if you had only known about this terrible downgrade.

Are you serious right now? I do not care about 60 FPS as much as I care about fidelity and effects at 45 FPS. I would run this at 30 FPS if it meant I had the graphic fidelity of what was already played in 2013. The youtube was deleted. A developer was confronted in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU9rlkCOk9E

He then goes on to say, as he jitters like nuts because he knows he shouldn't be talking about it (and says, hey guys, grass shouldn't be sharp that was a detriment)

Yes, had I known, I would have gotten this on PS4. It's the same drat game on both platforms, I gain nothing from buying on PC. My complaint is laziness! I do not want to hook up my PC to my theater and hook up audio for a better visual experience on my PC if I am not getting it. Why would I??? As I said I am not saying the game sucks, I cant wait to play it. My beef is with why they held back information on the PC version. Just loving admit they hosed up and move on already. Holy poo poo.

Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.
Comte, the check you guys promised has not arrived yet so I'm going to take a few points off my review. I'll be deleting the replay editor that makes the game look better and only use screenshots at 360p on the lowest settings.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I can totally accept that sometimes small unimportant things can be a symbol of large important things and thus worth discussing, but this time is that second thing even that large or important?

Kimmalah
Nov 14, 2005

Basically just a baby in a trenchcoat.


Utnayan posted:

What is your spec? Given the new evidence I would hardly think that recommended specs would be a GTX 770 and an i5 unless you had 9 pop ups of live porn going at the same time.

With the new info, you will be fine with a 570/670 and 4 gb Ram and set it to high settings.

I'll be honest, my brother kind of set it up for me when I wanted to get more into modding some of my games so I don't know a whole lot about specifics. Like I said though it ran Witcher 2 and pretty much every other recent game just fine on high settings so I was wondering if this is such a drastic change that it can't handle it. But I realize that's kind of vague so if that's impossible to really say, it's fine. I'm not going to be in line on release day or anything.

I'm mostly hoping I can run it so I can wait on the consoles a little longer and not have to drop $450-something or other on this. :v:

Wiltsghost
Mar 27, 2011


[quote="1stGear" post="445395307"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv0gJ8DpUd0

This is the same dude who posted your smoking gun interview so do you trust that he played it on PC?


Didn't Comte say this was the Arabic version because her hair isn't in a towel. Pretty sure I watched Vinny playing this earlier and her hair was up.

Wiltsghost fucked around with this message at 06:53 on May 16, 2015

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

NONONONONONONONONO

Utnayan posted:

Are you serious right now? I do not care about 60 FPS as much as I care about fidelity and effects at 45 FPS. I would run this at 30 FPS if it meant I had the graphic fidelity of what was already played in 2013. The youtube was deleted. A developer was confronted in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU9rlkCOk9E

He then goes on to say, as he jitters like nuts because he knows he shouldn't be talking about it (and says, hey guys, grass shouldn't be sharp that was a detriment)

Yes, had I known, I would have gotten this on PS4. It's the same drat game on both platforms, I gain nothing from buying on PC. My complaint is laziness! I do not want to hook up my PC to my theater and hook up audio for a better visual experience on my PC if I am not getting it. Why would I??? As I said I am not saying the game sucks, I cant wait to play it. My beef is with why they held back information on the PC version. Just loving admit they hosed up and move on already. Holy poo poo.

they didn't gently caress up, as evidenced by you giving them your money

also you're a loving weirdo, for real

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Utnayan
Sep 26, 2002
PROUD MEMBER OF THE RAPIST DEFENSE BRIGADE! DO NOT BE MEAN TO RAPISTS, OR I WILL VOTE FOR THEM WITH EVER INCREASING VIGOR!

1stGear posted:

I want to see how far I can get his conspiracy theory hole dug and also I want him to really commit to the idea of the game not looking good so that when it comes out and everyone is like "Whoa, this game is really pretty" he's forced to shout "NO NO YOU PLEBIAN FUCKS IT DOESN"T HAVE UBERSAMPLING ITS LITERALLY RAPING MY EYES"

http://whatifgaming.com/developer-insider-the-witcher-3-was-downgraded-from-2013-list-of-all-features-taken-out-why

Are you telling all of us gamers here that these things wouldn't make a difference in graphic fidelity and atmosphere? The game play is the loving same, regardless of platform. "whoa, this game is really pretty, but if we had actually sold what we marketed, it would have actually showcased advances in tech to make it unbelievable!"

You posting this reminds me of someone who would say Virtual reality at a state fair in 1996 is the same as the Oculus Rift.

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