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 FIESTA 2015 IS OVER. Thank you all for an awesome Fiesta season.  GO READ MEGA64'S AWESOME MEGATHREAD OF SOLO SINGLE-CLASS AND OMNI-CLASS LPS HERE. MANDATORY FIESTA LISTENING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ginfs4TY0oo  Welcome to the Final Fantasy V Four Job Fiesta 2015 thread! In its third year running, this thread will be the SA headquarters for the Four Job Fiesta, equal parts to keep us from taking over the FF Megathread as well as a single point of action for trading tricks and trips, cursing Gilgabot's lack of mercy, or whatever Fiesta-related discussion you may want. Much like 2013 and 2014, we hope to bring lots of victories, lots of donations, and lots of berserkers from the Berserker Tree! Quick Links: Goon IRC, Official Website, Official Blog, Official Subreddit (yes, yes, I know, but it's official) So Kyrosiris, what IS the Four Job Fiesta? Every year, RevenantKioku and his trusty sidekick Gilgabot (or maybe it's the other way around?) organize the Fiesta as a charity drive for Child's Play and as a gathering for all FFV fans to celebrate the game. Mechanically, the Fiesta challenges you to play through Final Fantasy V using just one job from each Crystal. Hard Mode ups the ante, allowing Gilgabot to pull from past Crystals - you can, for example, get another White Mage from the Fire Crystal, or a Berserker from the Earth Crystal! In 2012, the Berserker Risk option was added as a way to pump up the difficulty even more - for every $10 raised prior to the Fiesta's start, every Berserker Risk participant was assigned a mandatory Berserker! Enough was raised to stick every participant at Risk with at least one Berserker, and SA member Trasson ended up with what was considered the nastiest team of the Fiesta - a Knight and THREE Berserkers! 2013 renamed Hard Mode to "Random Mode" which is honestly more accurate, and added the new Team 750/No-750 and Natural modes, adding extra fun and challenge. 2014 introduced the first "themed" mode - Classic - in which you play a forced-Natural run with only FF1 jobs (White/Black/Red Mages, Knight, Thief, Monk). While the challenge is not one regularly "recommended" for those new to Final Fantasy V, there have been several goons who challenged the Fiesta as their first playthrough of the game and triumphed! That said, the challenge will definitely require a bit more aptitude and awareness of the game's mechanics and neat combos than a game where you plow through everything with !X-Fight, !X-Magic, and other powerful combos (that is, unless Gilgabot is merciful and gives you those combos). Well, I've never played FFV before. Should I try anyways? Absolutely! Like I said, lots of goons have earned their first victory in FFV through the Fiesta - either combinations of the restricted job access giving them real focus to finish the game, or getting advice from the littany of Fiesta veterans that haunt this thread and IRC, or for whatever reason. Plus, FFV is fun, and you're playing for charity (via either your donations or runs that you finish that trigger other people's pledges)! How's this all work, then? What're the rules? An example team would be mine from 2012 - I got Thief, Summoner, Ninja, and Samurai. From the Wind Crystal on, I had to have a full party of Thieves. Once I finished the Water Crystal, I got to choose a configuration of at least 1 Thief and at least 1 Summoner, and then the other two could be either Thieves or Summoners, with no limit aside from having at least one of each. The Fire crystal was the same - I had to field at least one Ninja, Summoner, and Thief at all times, and my fourth character could be what was best suited of my three job options. After the Earth Crystal, that was it - everyone was locked in. You can switch jobs around as is necessary, but you've gotta adhere to those guidelines. If you want your Ninja to learn some Summon Magic, that Summoner has to switch to being a Ninja too. So who the hell is Gilgabot? Gilgabot is the Twitter bot that does the backend paperwork of the Fiesta. You tweet keywords to him (@FF5ForFutures) at certain thresholds in your playthrough and he will do whatever those correspond to. For example, you can tweet "@FF5ForFutures #Water" to note that you've reached the Water Crystal. Gilgabot will then reply (maybe - he hit the daily tweet limit several times in 2013 and 2014) with your Job assignment for that crystal. You can find a full list of commands here. Twitter? Ewww, I don't do that social media bullshit. Tough. Don't blame Gilgabot, blame yourself or God. If you wanna Fiesta (at least officially - no one's stopping you from doing your own using random.org or similar), you gotta tweet. Worst case scenario, you make a throw-away account you use just for the Fiesta and then ignore it. Many goons do this every year. NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROTECTED ACCOUNT, YOU WILL HAVE EXTREME DIFFICULTY FIESTA-ING OFFICIALLY. Consider making a throwaway or PM me your twitter handle on SA and I'll give it to RK so he can have Gilgabot request to follow you. Help! Gilgabot gave me a shittacular job combo and $BOSS is kicking my rear end! Relax. Trasson got through the entire game and even the optional superboss Shinryu in 2012 with a Knight and three Berserkers. You can beat the focus of your ire too, with some strategy and tenacity. That said, we're not going to leave you in the lurch - lots of FFV pros participate in the Fiesta, and in 2012 we came up with a veritable compendium of knowledge, tactics, and advice (which got loving additions in 2013 and 2014, too!). You can find it here, but be aware it contains story and boss spoilers, as well as a significant amount of mechanical information for the game. Other resources include Sulla's Solo Single Class Challenges, the FFV Algorithm Guide (for SNES and GBA), The Spirit of FFV (has built-in "translation" of names/spells between versions) and IRC! We'll all be prattling away at #FFVFiesta on SynIRC. Science is scary and I can't use !Mix, the most powerful ability in FFV! Help me!!!! Relax. Learn the true power of  here. Don't glitch Exdeath! (especially since your victory won't count)Alright, I'm in! What do I do? First, wait patiently for June 1st. Then, get on Twitter and send Gilgabot (@FF5ForFutures) a pre-registration tweet. This will look something like "@FF5ForFutures #regrand #BERSERKERRISK". Then, just wait for the Fiesta to start! What's New for 2015? We've gotten our first teaser - this mysterious tweet has informed us that 2015's new gimmick is "#RegChaos". What manner of nonsense will it use to enable Gilgabot to knock us all down?! Wait and see! Additionally, everything is still being run through  the official 4JF Subreddit. Trivia and Infographic Nonsense! Every year, RevenantKioku puts out an infographic for the year's Fiesta, covering a lot of trivia and data, distribution of classes, stuff like that (as well as how fair and balanced Gilgabot was, which he always is). They're pretty neat, and are timg'd below - click the year (or expand the image, but they're really big) for big. 2011 Infographic:  2012 Infographic:  2013 Infographic:  2014 Infographic:  Unlike in 2013, I will not be maintaining a list of winners or donors in the OP, solely because of the absolutely ridiculous volume of winners and donors. You guys were entirely too skilled and generous for me to keep up with. I'm really sorry. This does NOT mean you guys are off the hook from watering the Berserker Tree! WE BETTER HAVE A BETTER HARVEST THIS YEAR, OR ELSE. 2014's harvest was crazy but WE NEED MORE! A Berserker in every driveway and a Chemist in every pantry! 
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2014's Fiesta inspired fanart, of all things! It's collected here, and anything made in 2015 will be included after! 2014 Fanart  (by Bloodwulfe)  (also by Bloodwulfe)  (by Asiina)  (again, by Bloodwulfe)  (by Shoehead)  (yup, still Bloodwulfe)  (Bloodwulfe: still the best)  (THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE MEAN NOTHING TO A_Raving_Loon) Can of Worms is rad as hell and has made multiple FFV Advance patches, including the source of the above gif. Fiesta State Mod (Kyro's mirror) (no mechanical changes) FFVA Balance Mod (Kyro's mirror) (actual mechanical changes) (changelog, mirror) 2015 Fanart Mega64 takes on the trials and tribulations of the Omnizerker.  (What's Flarnith's art doing here?!)  (neongrey needs to be sure you heard him correctly.) Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jul 3, 2015 |
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Krysmphoenix posted:From the reveal picture on the blog, it seems like Chaos mode might be full randomization of every class, rather gradually introducing new classes like Random. Ah, so basically the true random that everyone wants. Hell yes.  Now we just need random/chaos to be modifiers instead of run types in and of themselves so we can have no750 chaos berserkerrisk.
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May 18, 2015 16:14
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alcharagia posted:Hello, everyone. My name is Alcharagia, and I have an ultimatum. On this runthrough, I will not fall into the Speed Trap once. And now to go rewrite Carbybot's special Alcharagia-only trigger for .trapped...
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May 18, 2015 16:18
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Probably June 1, like pre-registration. Also since I did not last year (the 11414.14 total amused me too much), I'm chipping in the $18.40 that we collectively raised by falling in Dr. Clapperclaw's Deadly Speed Trap once donations for 2015 are open, so we've got almost two berserkers on the tree right off the hop.
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May 18, 2015 16:25
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Golden Goat posted:Do we still have the "take a berzerker leave a berzerker" image? Second post. I still can't believe y'all made fanart last year. 
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May 18, 2015 16:29
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That's why they're in the pantry, available to be pulled out in a time of need.
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May 18, 2015 17:08
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Question: Is it against the rules to use an emulator so I can fast forward through cutscenes/random battles? Not even remotely. Those of us crazy enough to do lots of runs (I did, what, 11 last year?) pretty much all universally use emulators for fast forward. No way in hell I could do as many runs as I normally do otherwise. 
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May 18, 2015 17:46
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MrAristocrates posted:Grinding statues isn't that bad on the iOS version because of autobattle. Does it intelligently chuck Golden Needles at the next statue in line? I hate that the GBA version will (if you input commands fast enough) chuck needles at Statues that no longer exist.
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May 18, 2015 17:50
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Oxygen Deficiency posted:Sweet! You'd need multiple twitter accounts - you can't have more than one run active at a time on a given account - but that would be hilarious to watch, like those "one input, two/three/four games completed" TASes of megaman games.
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May 18, 2015 17:51
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Is naming Ghido cheating? Because I don't care, it's still Ghido.
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May 18, 2015 18:02
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Dragonatrix posted:Well, obviously Ghido's the best. Do you think he sat around for seven centuries munching on pizza? Too bad he'll find no such delights in the afterlife.
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May 18, 2015 18:41
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Xad posted:I am so ready for whatever Chaos mode may be. Maybe this year I won't need to wait for Omniscient's MP to run out again. Speaking of which, it's already updated on the help page: quote:Chaos Which leads even more credence to the idea that it's true random. Hell yes.
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May 18, 2015 19:34
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Ugato posted:I keep thinking this is reroll, full random, each crystal. It's all I can think of that wouldn't leave you with 4 freelancers for a crystal or 3. Natural and Classic can leave you with some number of Freelancers, so I don't see why Chaos potentially doing so is a problem.
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May 18, 2015 19:45
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Xad posted:So if what I'm assuming is correct, chaos berserker risk could give you FOUR berserkers Fuuuuuuuuck I hope so. Also I remade that old mix chart and included real details!  
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May 18, 2015 20:59
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YggiDee posted:What, dare I ask, is the 'speed trap'? This hole in Ronka:  It's already visible, so you never fall in unless you're dashing through with double dash, fast forward, etc. Which of course means those of us who do lots of runs (like myself, alcharagia, etc) hit it loads of times. 
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May 18, 2015 22:20
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Prism posted:The legendary bardarian. It's funny, because Equip Harps is legitimately one of the best passives you can give a Berserker.
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May 19, 2015 01:41
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Xad posted:I always give them Two-Handed so they do extra damage, but that's also because I've had Knight and Berserker the past two years, iirc. Yeah, it really depends on what you have available, but more just in the grand scheme of every potential passive, Equip Harps is way up there.
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May 19, 2015 02:26
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alcharagia posted:if you get a magic stat-giving ability to give to a berserker they will be come a poo poo-stomping all-destroying terror with the rune axe Yeah, the Rune Axe is loving beastly with a good magic passive behind it - if it wasn't only 81 Attack (versus 127 of the Chicken Knife), it might actually be the second best weapon in the game, since it works similar to the CK (specifically, it adds an extra M multiplier based off of your Magic stat).
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May 19, 2015 02:50
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The biggest "don't do this" I can think of is "don't think Geomancer is any good" and "don't take the Brave Blade". Maybe "don't neglect to explore the side towers in the timed sequence".
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May 19, 2015 04:04
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Nihilarian posted:I imagine Equip Axes would be fun for a Ranger, at least. It's really good to give them some extra Strength until you get Rapid Fire, yeah.
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May 19, 2015 04:53
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By the way, for those of you who want to do a pre-Fiesta warmup, Carbybot (our IRC bot in #ffvfiesta) makes team compositions. Mine, uh... yeah. quote:[10:41:59] <CarbyBot> Wind Job: Blue Mage
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May 19, 2015 17:06
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Ugato posted:I would really hate getting to the fire crystal with only thief. And to earth with only thief/geo. Ugh. Well, your "don't have it yet" classes are effectively Freelancers.
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May 19, 2015 18:39
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Oh wait, I'm sorry, I misread. If your Wind job is Thief, then yeah, you run four Thieves to Water. Then, if your Water job was, say, Chemist, you'd have any combination of Thieves and Freelancers (standing in as Chemists). If your Fire is also an Earth job (let's say Samurai), you'd have at minimum one Thief and two Freelancers until Earth.
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May 19, 2015 19:00
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Asiina posted:Freelancers are cheating! It's what's recommended as a replacement for your Red Mages at Wind in Classic runs (and before you get the other characters' crystals in Natural), so. v v
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May 19, 2015 19:05
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Zeninage is good on low defense targets or if you level up a lot. The damage itself is low, it's the multiplier that's enormous. Damage on Zeninage is: (Level + 10 - Target's Defense) * 150
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May 19, 2015 20:11
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Mega64 posted:I've been trying a bit of Team Earth Crystal with Dancer/Dragoon/Samurai/Chemist, and I'm curious... Is there any real synergy with this team? I can use Chemist to boost Zenigage's damage and Equip Ribbon on Dragoon to exploit the Man Eater being a spear, but otherwise it seems a team of individuals who don't really have much use for each others' abilities (besides !Mix but that's a given). Chemist can wear a Lamia's Tiara and have half-odds Sword Dance? 
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May 20, 2015 00:46
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Jueg01 posted:Also why all the Geomancer hate? I've had some good times with them. Because their spells are A) random, B) mostly terrible, and C) have numerous situations where the only Terrain results literally do nothing to problematic bosses/enemies. Honorable mention to !Gaia not even having the decency to pass down a Geomancer's good Magic score.
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May 20, 2015 04:27
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Dragonatrix posted:
I actually found it on tumblr.
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May 20, 2015 04:30
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The real question is, why are you fighting random encounters that aren't objets d'art/reflect knights?
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May 20, 2015 05:37
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Countblanc posted:So I've heard people here say that levels are the least important resource in FFV, or something like that. Why is that, I don't really get why you'd want to run all the time, it seems like that'd catch up with you unless you had an instant death trick for the bosses. I tend to flit from profitable grinding spot to profitable grinding spot, and blaze through anything in between picking off bosses and ignoring randoms. Usually I hit up Moldwynds in the Wind Shrine for a stash of Elixirs (usually to 8-10), the mages in Walse Tower that drop Flame Rods (12-13ish), Objets d'Art (key class abilities), and then Reflect Knights (depending on my luck, I end up somewhere in the mid 20s). Yeah, it does depend on composition to some extent - if I have Blue and Chemist I could literally beat everything with zero level gain if I wanted to (see also: Dr Pepper's low-level LP), whereas if I have Thief/Dancer I'm in for some real hell trying to get the HP to endure Almagest in spite of beating the rest of the game in the low 20s.
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May 20, 2015 05:42
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Schwartzcough posted:Chemists can double their HP, Haste themselves, etc.- it's too bad Chemist is an absolute poo poo job at doing anything besides buffing themselves if you take away !Mix. They can't do damage Chemists have Knife access. loving Samson's Might yourself up to level 255 and apply liberal amounts of Chicken Knife to bosses' faces.
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May 20, 2015 13:34
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Schwartzcough posted:You can boost 10 levels at a time, but remember that discussion in this thread about how levels are relatively unimportant? Yeah, raising 10 levels at a time is inefficient for almost all situations. Assuming, let's say a level 25 Knight with the Great Sword from the canal in Bal Castle, one Samson's Might takes them from 627 damage (not using Two-Handed) to 855 damage. I don't really see how one action that gives someone a roughly, what, 30% damage increase is "inefficient", especially for the hilariously low cost of one antidote and one holy water. Also in what universe are ethers not cheap? Even if you don't stock up in Lix when they're 750 a piece, they're 1500 a piece. Are you not selling outdated equipment and stuff? 1500 gil seems like a trivial amount to pay to turn a phoenix down from "revives at critical HP" to "revives at 100% max HP/MP". 
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May 20, 2015 18:08
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Fister Roboto posted:Is there ANY equipment in the game that boosts water damage? Poor Leviathan is complete garbage without a chemist. Nope. This is why Syldra is the best summon. All the power of Bahamut, at half the price.
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May 20, 2015 18:47
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Poque posted:Head on out and collect your much-needed Firebute, Assassin's Dagger, and Gaia's Bell Who, other than teams with Equip Axes, doesn't get the Assassin's Dagger in the first three? 
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May 20, 2015 19:10
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ultrafilter posted:Excalibur is holy elemental, and there are a handful of enemies in the final dungeon that absorb holy. None of which are bosses.  But yeah, fair enough. I always prefer to have the Assassin's Dagger before I head into the Void just for Twintania if nothing else, so often times I'll kick the Solitary Island Shrine over if I really need four weapons.
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Schwartzcough posted:So in your example, the Chemist just used a turn and two items (while relying on having an actual damage-dealing character) to contribute 228 damage; that's chump change damage. Yes, that can slowly accumulate over long fights, but there just aren't that many long fights in the game. That's my point- for chemists to shine, you need protracted battles of attrition, which you typically do not get with a full team. Battles, even against bosses, tend to end in like 4 or 5 turns. Given that the best they'd be doing attacking themselves is maybe the low 300s at that point? I don't consider that chump change at all. Plus, the items you seem to be having kittens about are a grand total of 180 gil. If you don't have this, please spend a couple of minutes in Bal Castle's basement. Also, I want to know what compositions you get that routinely let you beat fights like world 2 Exdeath, Atomos, Shinryu, etc. in five turns.
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May 20, 2015 20:29
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Fister Roboto posted:The best way to deal with random encounters is to not deal with them. Amen.
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May 20, 2015 22:13
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OMEGA STATUS: OFFENSE: OVERWHELMING DEFENSE: IMPENETRABLE EVASION: FLAWLESS TOLERANCE FOR THIS poo poo GOING ON: 0 EXECUTING: ROBOT_SUICIDE.EXE
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Zombies' Downfall posted:That kinda surprises me but the post stands as a testament to how great Holy is. !White goes incredibly well on a Monk and is basically the reason my Classic run didn't make me pull my hair out. Yeah, White Monks are actually pretty good. That said, Classic runs are supposed to be Natural.  (natural is loving stupid, friends don't let friends play natural runs)
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